[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #1 Posted July 12, 2015 Hi, Can somebody explain to me why lvl6 destroyer (Mutsuki) is such crap compared to the lower tier lvl5 (Minekaze). It is not like this with the other ships. Even if upgraded to the maximum the Mutsuki will be just slightly (not even worth mentioning) better than the Minekaze. Greetings, Ukio Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RMBPD] Chocolat Players 11 posts 3,804 battles Report post #2 Posted July 12, 2015 Ask Colorado ;D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genai Beta Tester 675 posts 1,928 battles Report post #3 Posted July 12, 2015 One thing you are wrong... Mutsuki is never better than minekaze... hell, even Hatsuharu is worse Ibuki is worse than Mogami and Myoko... and there are plenty of such ships... Minekaze is if not the best, then its top2-3 in IJN DD line... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRETH] Galadul Beta Tester 304 posts 3,220 battles Report post #4 Posted July 12, 2015 Ask Colorado ;D And Nagato. And Pepsicola. And Izumo...and so on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ttchip Beta Tester 441 posts 1,160 battles Report post #5 Posted July 12, 2015 And Nagato. And Pepsicola. And Izumo...and so on Pensacola is a fantastic ship in its own right. New Orleans is where that line takes a slight nosedive. The biggest letdowns for me were Minekaze -> Mutsuki -> Hatsuharu and Amagi -> Izumo. Out of that bunch I hated Izumo the most just because you have to grind it for ages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRETH] Galadul Beta Tester 304 posts 3,220 battles Report post #6 Posted July 12, 2015 Pensacola is a fantastic ship in its own right. New Orleans is where that line takes a slight nosedive. The biggest letdowns for me were Minekaze -> Mutsuki -> Hatsuharu and Amagi -> Izumo. Out of that bunch I hated Izumo the most just because you have to grind it for ages. yeah back in CBT when I hit the Izumo, the Izumo hit me so hard that I started on US BB line instead...which was a PITA, but rewarded me endlessly with the amazing NC and Iowa at the end. I remember Pepsicola as being quite bad, a floating citadel, and New Orleans to be only slightly better...but I did mostly stop playing the US cruiser line with the NO. Could have been before certain AP and HE changes that I played them, so my impression of them might not hold true any longer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowman79 Beta Tester 143 posts 5,228 battles Report post #7 Posted July 12, 2015 How about Furutaka? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSUN] Aerroon Community Contributor 2,268 posts 12,140 battles Report post #8 Posted July 12, 2015 Mutsuki and Hatsuharu can't even be compared to the rest of the stuff you guys brought up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRETH] Galadul Beta Tester 304 posts 3,220 battles Report post #9 Posted July 12, 2015 How about Furutaka? Oh dear, don't even mention that piece of...flotsam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #10 Posted July 12, 2015 How about Furutaka? Hmmm.. I think the real name should be Fuktard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowman79 Beta Tester 143 posts 5,228 battles Report post #11 Posted July 12, 2015 Oh dear, don't even mention that piece of...flotsam Hmmm.. I think the real name should be Fuktard. Soo true...it's a major kickback from the Kuma...21 sec reload time on stock and 16 upgraded...on a tier 5 cruiser...a joke....compared to the HE spamming Omaha, Phoenix, Kuma or Clevelands you encounter...if only the gun range were superior to those it would be manageable... but in this state is a disaster...can't wait to get rid of this ship p.s. not to mention the shorter range torps compared to the Kuma... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #12 Posted July 12, 2015 Ask Colorado ;D Aye this ship is a major down grade i might just skip the whole ship this time around...less range and less guns for slightly bigger rounds....the dispersion is god awfull and it sucks in every way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #13 Posted July 12, 2015 Well ... this is really stupid. I had to grind for ages to the Mutsucrappy ... now I really do not see how to reach the next one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RMBPD] Chocolat Players 11 posts 3,804 battles Report post #14 Posted July 12, 2015 Aye this ship is a major down grade i might just skip the whole ship this time around...less range and less guns for slightly bigger rounds....the dispersion is god awfull and it sucks in every way. I'm burning my flag reserves on it with no avail, the only thing that seems decent on that ship is AA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magni56 Beta Tester 386 posts 1,155 battles Report post #15 Posted July 12, 2015 Ibuki is worse than Mogami and Myoko... and there are plenty of such ships... Erm, what? Ibuki is for all intents and purposes a Mogami+1. Soo true...it's a major kickback from the Kuma...21 sec reload time on stock and 16 upgraded...on a tier 5 cruiser...a joke....compared to the HE spamming Omaha, Phoenix, Kuma or Clevelands you encounter...if only the gun range were superior to those it would be manageable... but in this state is a disaster...can't wait to get rid of this ship p.s. not to mention the shorter range torps compared to the Kuma... Load AP and go for citadels. Furutaka also has something resembling amo can can be hella hard to hit if you angle correctly because she's very long, but also slim. The really funny thing is you can charge a BB head-on angling her bow to like 30 degrees - it'll actually bounce or spall 14in AP at an extreme angle - and get so close that the BBs turets won' track anymore before you turn slightly and let loose the torps. She's not a fun sip to play and a low point on the line, but she can still put in work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRETH] Galadul Beta Tester 304 posts 3,220 battles Report post #16 Posted July 12, 2015 Aye this ship is a major down grade i might just skip the whole ship this time around...less range and less guns for slightly bigger rounds....the dispersion is god awfull and it sucks in every way. Yeah I'm skipping the Colorado this time around. Partly because of how crappy the ship is, and partly because playing above T6 right now is not...feasible due to certain CV and MM mechanics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RMBPD] Chocolat Players 11 posts 3,804 battles Report post #17 Posted July 12, 2015 Yeah I'm skipping the Colorado this time around. Partly because of how crappy the ship is, and partly because playing above T6 right now is not...feasible due to certain CV and MM mechanics. Sadly true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genai Beta Tester 675 posts 1,928 battles Report post #18 Posted July 12, 2015 Erm, what? Ibuki is for all intents and purposes a Mogami+1. Except its worse in almost anything except AA... has same or less hp, less dpm, less maneuverability... everything is worse except AA... unless you use 203mm mogami, but thats just horrible thing to do anyway... and fights against higher tiers... even tho t5-t6 bbs can citadel you from every angle imaginable due to nerf to CA that has hit IJN CAs the most... and commander skills work on 155mm and not on 203mm making it have less range and even worse main armament... 87k dmg per game in mogami... easy... would be more if i didnt start bad... last 20 games was 100k+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ew_ Beta Tester 349 posts 7,834 battles Report post #19 Posted July 12, 2015 Mutsuki and hatsu <3, they are awesome kiters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnka Players 337 posts 872 battles Report post #20 Posted July 12, 2015 Ok - what I am going to play if lines are full of garbage-ships? -Fucktard would be my next ship in Jap CA line ... so I forget it. -DD:s are out of line especially higher tiers. -I hate Myogi & waiting so good bye to BullSttt line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genai Beta Tester 675 posts 1,928 battles Report post #21 Posted July 12, 2015 If you didnt get it by now... WG dont really want many people to play this game... just hardcore bunch... from economy, mm, tier balance, class balance... everything screams: dont plaaaaaay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vegas095 Beta Tester 93 posts 4,662 battles Report post #22 Posted July 12, 2015 Ok - what I am going to play if lines are full of garbage-ships? -Fucktard would be my next ship in Jap CA line ... so I forget it. -DD:s are out of line especially higher tiers. -I hate Myogi & waiting so good bye to BullSttt line. If ur gonna stop an entire line because a tier 4 or 5 ship in that line is bad then that's your problem. It doesn't take that long to get through them.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnka Players 337 posts 872 battles Report post #23 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) If ur gonna stop an entire line because a tier 4 or 5 ship in that line is bad then that's your problem. It doesn't take that long to get through them.. Cleveland is not far a way so US CA lines seems open. How many DD :s I see tell the whole DD situation. All whinings around the forum about BB:s tells the rest. Yes - this is beta. May I ask what close alpha and closed Beta testers has done if things are not so ready yet? and yes I have played WOt more than 10 000 games so I get a bit allergick to a grinding. And please tell me WHY there has to be grinding? There are games where grinding does not feel grinding at all but fynny playing. Edited July 12, 2015 by Finnka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #24 Posted July 12, 2015 If you didnt get it by now... WG dont really want many people to play this game... just hardcore bunch... from economy, mm, tier balance, class balance... everything screams: dont plaaaaaay Playing with only hardcore people who have an idea of balancing the game, does not rant about nonsense on the forum, accepts that some classes should actually counter other classes, and wants a challenging game-play instead of a casual sailing& firing? Oh please, OH PLEASE, YES SO MUCH YES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PORT] Atris2nd Beta Tester 333 posts 6,438 battles Report post #25 Posted July 12, 2015 Except its worse in almost anything except AA... has same or less hp, less dpm, less maneuverability... everything is worse except AA... unless you use 203mm mogami, but thats just horrible thing to do anyway... and fights against higher tiers... even tho t5-t6 bbs can citadel you from every angle imaginable due to nerf to CA that has hit IJN CAs the most... and commander skills work on 155mm and not on 203mm making it have less range and even worse main armament... 87k dmg per game in mogami... easy... would be more if i didnt start bad... last 20 games was 100k+ 203mm on Mogami is perfectly viable. Citadel city on any garbage american ship you come across, while still doing significant enough HE damage with good fire chance on BBs. Played it with 203s in CBT, will play it with 203s in OBT. The fact there aren't many commander skills relating to 203s doesn't matter when you can boost your air defense and survivabillity at their expense. Perfect for playing the high-damage, back-line support role, annihilating anything with 10k-15k damage accurate HE barrages or just thrashing any CA that comes into your firing arc below 10km with your 203mm citadel obliterators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
