Potentional Wipe at launch.

[Hannibalurg]

Greetings Captain.

 

Experience and the results of the game latest wipe have indicated that the Carriers are vastly overpowered compared to the other 3 remaining ship classes.

Overpowered: To large damage to dish out, 1 ship is enough to make or break a match, too heavy influence on the match by a singel player

When we search up the the once with T9-T10 Carriers we see a winrate from 70-92%,

 

Do you think CV's will be so heavly remastered that they will do another wipe?

 

Do we need to have another wipe in order to balanse back the matchmaking?

 

Can we find a BB, DD, CA captain with the same amount of winrate, kills, EXP and avarage damage pr match?

- Please post profile, i would be intruiged to see this.

 

 

Do not flame Captains, flame the Ship-class.

 

[Aldramelech]

It has been stated many times that there will be no wipe unless something really, really bad happens. What your describing is a balance issue and does not come under the heading of really, really bad.

[Nethraniel]

The WR is due to good division play with highest tier CVs. Not very surprising when looking at the high tier population.

[Hannibalurg]

It has been stated many times that there will be no wipe unless something really, really bad happens. What your describing is a balance issue and does not come under the heading of really, really bad.

 

It has been stated that at the point of statement it was no more planned wipes. I think WG has taken experience from World of Warplanes and don't wish to repeat previous errors. I have no insentive for saying either the one thing or the other, i can only speculate.

[Aldramelech]

 

It has been stated that at the point of statement it was no more planned wipes. I think WG has taken experience from World of Warplanes and don't wish to repeat previous errors. I have no insentive for saying either the one thing or the other, i can only speculate.

 

The actual wording was "Unless something really bad happens" Their words, not mine. Ectar if I remember correctly. Balance issues (and there are many here who would disagree that there is even a problem at all) are not dealt with by wipes. Balance issues get "balanced" not wiped. 

 

If you truly believe that your going to get a wipe because you think CV's are OP, your delusional. 

[Hannibalurg]

Yeah, the issue will be that everyday we get more and more high tier CV's, more high tier CV's will equal more unfair matchmaking with high tier CV's making more people tired of beeing trolled by CV's.

 

The amount of high tier CV's grows exponentially faster then BB, DD and CA's due to the amount of EXP they get, compared to the other classes. So a greater playerbase will have the experience to be matched with high end Carriers who will utterly dominate the games.

 

You don't think this might impact a large part of the playerbase?

[Nethraniel]

Nope, will even out in time, btw. when the number of high tier CV rises significantly, then they will also be matched against each other... so it's OK

If you have problems, stay where the mass of players is (T5 at the moment). I mean, OBT runs for less then two weeks now.

[Aldramelech]

Yeah, the issue will be that everyday we get more and more high tier CV's, more high tier CV's will equal more unfair matchmaking with high tier CV's making more people tired of beeing trolled by CV's.

 

The amount of high tier CV's grows exponentially faster then BB, DD and CA's due to the amount of EXP they get, compared to the other classes. So a greater playerbase will have the experience to be matched with high end Carriers who will utterly dominate the games.

 

You don't think this might impact a large part of the playerbase?

 

So what your saying is that high tier games, as time goes on, will become nothing but CV's or mostly CV's and little else? Did that happen during the CBT? Nope, so why do you think it will happen here?

[Nethraniel]

The hard limit ist btw. still 2 CV per side.

[Hannibalurg]

Yes, you will have 2 high tier CV's on each side meeting Tier 6's and Tier 7's which again will result in 2-4 players beeing eliminated in the first 5 minutes of a match.

 

 

So what your saying is that high tier games, as time goes on, will become nothing but CV's or mostly CV's and little else? Did that happen during the CBT? Nope, so why do you think it will happen here?

 

No, i am speculating that the game can lose alot of players when more and more people hit tier 6-7 and meet 2x Tier 10 Carriers every game. So eventually ofcourse we will have a large number of tier X in all classes, but i fear a large playerbase will leave the game before reaching anywhere near Tier X, due to beeing matchmaked with Tier 10 Carrier.

 

I have the last 3-4 days been grinding the Fuso, Warspite and Nagato and i am useless to evade IJN torp runs, mainly because the AA of me and my shipmates are to low to repell them, so the Torps bombers aren't afraid of going balls deep.

 

History and evidence has shown us that there are more Tier X Carriers then ANY OTHER ship-class, and it's the class that's the least played, that should give a good foundation for my speculations.

As time goes, we will have more Tier 10 Carriers beeing matchmaked into games with ships of much lower tiers. So the issue will affect more and more people until a certain point.

[Nethraniel]

I do not believe, that T6 will regularly meet T10 in the near future, remember there is still a bunch of people now advancing to T7+.... wait a bit, like 2-4 weeks and everything will be sorted out.

[Hannibalurg]

I do not believe, that T6 will regularly meet T10 in the near future, remember there is still a bunch of people now advancing to T7+.... wait a bit, like 2-4 weeks and everything will be sorted out.

 

That's optimistic, we have the lastest week seen an influx in people picking up carriers, and i think 2-4 weeks is a very optimistic mesurement. And Carriers will steamroll ahead of the other classes due to the insane EXP gain you get in a Carrier compared to other classes, so i personally think this issue can consist over a great much longer time then just a few weeks.

 

In my speculation i also take in to account that more people playing the 3 remaining classes will have a harder impact when leaving the game at these stages.

 

Personally i am positive, i will have the Yamato and i will get to tier 10, i feel exhausted meeting T X carriers in my Fuso or Nagato, but today i get my Amagi, so atleast 1 step closer, but then again IJN has shitty AA so i don't expect things to be much better tbh.

[Nethraniel]

So, slow down. Play more T4-T6, no need to rush ahead... majority of players is still T4-T5

[Hannibalurg]

Grinding motivates me, and i find the lower tiers frustrating of other reasons then game mechanics, so i will endure my way to tier 6.

I am also at tier 5-6 in both Carrier, DD, and CA. But BB's are by far the most fun to play.

[wotertool]

So far I only reached Tier 5 and I hardly see more than 2 carriers per team (most of the time either 1 or none at all).

 

I play mostly the Kongo BB currently and I think I only died once to a carrier, because I was low on health and didn't notice the torp squadron which hit me completely.

 

DD topedos get me more often than any carrier and the biggest threat to me are actually nasty cruisers with their non existing reload time ...

 

Howevre, I also play cruisers from time to time and it's MUCH easier to evade carrier torpedo planes.

[Kirasa]

 

That's optimistic, we have the lastest week seen an influx in people picking up carriers, and i think 2-4 weeks is a very optimistic mesurement. And Carriers will steamroll ahead of the other classes due to the insane EXP gain you get in a Carrier compared to other classes, so i personally think this issue can consist over a great much longer time then just a few weeks.

 

In my speculation i also take in to account that more people playing the 3 remaining classes will have a harder impact when leaving the game at these stages.

 

Personally i am positive, i will have the Yamato and i will get to tier 10, i feel exhausted meeting T X carriers in my Fuso or Nagato, but today i get my Amagi, so atleast 1 step closer, but then again IJN has shitty AA so i don't expect things to be much better tbh.

 

Only the good players get those xp values with CVs...

You see more and more CV players in low tier with below 50% winrate and so also way lower average xp.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

Carriers are not OP just a lot of skilled players in them and it has been stated many many times no more wipes

[tajj7]

The carriers will just get a nerf/re-balance, they were out of whack even before the end of CBT. 

 

No need for a wipe for balancing issues. 

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

Only been playing this for a short while, but if the issues are purely down to balancing the class/tier structure, I see to reason to wipe.

[Hannibalurg]

40 for no

2 for yes.

 

Seems like the community does not want. Personally i don't mind if it will be wiped or not. All i know is that i will focus all my EXP into 1 tree if it would happen hehe.

But, let's keep calm and get Citadel hits!

[Aldramelech]

It's yet another of those MM issues that will take a little while to balance out. I know for a fact that many of the Alpha and Super testers that I have spoken to went straight for the IJN Carrier line, that's THE most experienced players and some of the best. Two things will happen, they will start grinding other lines, others will start to populate T9 and 10. Problem will sort itself out.

[Interdiction]

Cvs are easily fixed ....Take away the manual drop ....sorted 

 

 

[Wizlon67]

There's no good reason for a wipe, unless as has already been stated that there is a major clusterflub.

 

Right now I can't play due to an elbow injury (typing left handed now). So I'm falling way behind and still I think a wipe would be a poor idea.

 

If all the top players are reset on launch then we will see new players just quit in frustration at how far behind the curve they are, let them start at the same level as other new players rather than expect them to deal with an Alpha or Beta tester that knows how to play.

[BabyAdmiral]

The problem with a poll like this, is that the premise for the future is already been paved out. Many of us (me included) have started playing more intensively after the last wipe exactly because we know there won't be any more wipes. I played very little in the closed beta for the same reason.

 

If this poll was made before the last and final wipe, and that Wargaming held the door open for another wipe, the outcome might have been completely different. Wargaming have assured us and announced several times that there will be no more wipes, thus we wouldn't want Wargaming to go back on an already final decision only due to some balancing tweaking. Games like these (like WoT) gets rebalanced and tweaked all the time - they don't need to wipe the player progression every time that happens.

[Exustio]

Who has the highest CA/BB/DD exp as of this moment? 

 

Winrate imo can be ignored, cause this stat can be heavily influenced by bad luck or platooning with friends. Average XP is what will determine if someone is actually doing the best he/she can do for winning a game.