USS New York - The Brawler from Brooklyn

[bathoz]

When I'm in my New York (sold it yesterday), and I'm in a space where I think there might be a IJN DD, I'm constantly weaving on my main line of travel. Left, right and back again. Then a small period of straight, and left right and back again. Your speed is irregular, as is your direction, and I imagine the lead indicator must be dancing all over the place. So, I see many long range torpedo strikes passing behind me.

 

The downside is that I'm slower than usual due to all the weaving, but the New York isn't exactly fast to begin with.

[Jamezdin]

 

A few problems with that: 

 

If the CV captain knows what he is doing, you are screwed and there is nothing you can do. Yes, he might have to reposition slightly and you might shoot down one of the planes with AA, but specially against Japanese carriers with two TB units and the dive bombers you will take massive damage. 

 

And against DDs: 

 

Well, it is not always in your power NOT to be alone with a DD. The NY, specially in the stock version, is very slow, so in pug games everyone else of your team that isn't an US BB will simply drive away form you. Or you might drive in a bulk to a point and then everyone in your team turns and steams away from you with like 30+ knots, while you are left behind. 

 

That is the problem the US BBs: You can't really react to anything, because they are so slow and if you try to zick-zack you will be even slower. 

 

I respectfully disagree, on both points. I have successfuly dodged torpedo bombers in both the Wyoming and New York, using very simple tactics. There is a very good thread somewhere on the forums where Ive seen the manouvers explained and Ive seen great BB captains in game performing them, so I just copied them. (Im talking about dodging and anticipating torpedoes, not shooting down bombers). Sure you might take a few in the face, but that still better than steaming obliviously ahead and sinking. As for your second point, once again map awareness and not blindly going alone will aleviate that problem. Asking for an escort at the beginning of the match also goes a long way. 

[Gerudan]

 

I respectfully disagree, on both points. I have successfuly dodged torpedo bombers in both the Wyoming and New York, using very simple tactics. There is a very good thread somewhere on the forums where Ive seen the manouvers explained and Ive seen great BB captains in game performing them, so I just copied them. (Im talking about dodging and anticipating torpedoes, not shooting down bombers). Sure you might take a few in the face, but that still better than steaming obliviously ahead and sinking. As for your second point, once again map awareness and not blindly going alone will aleviate that problem. Asking for an escort at the beginning of the match also goes a long way. 

 

A CV captain also using simple tactics laughs at this, sorry. Yeah, I evaded a lot of bomber attacks as well, but that was more due to missing skill on the side of the CV captain. If he does his job right, there isn't much, you can do.   

 

An no, there isn't much you can do, when all the cruisers and DDs that are with you just turn around for no reason, how would "map awareness" help you here exactly? And asking for an escort will like yield either no result in pugs either. Never saw a BB captain do that anyway.

[Kaladania]

New York is in my opinion really bad ship - even under Furutaka. Turning is so much worse then other BS i had and sometimes feel worse then even Langley. Firepower is questionable at best - sometimes you do this spectacular hits like oneshooting Myogi in one salvo (yea that happen to me once - from full to 0 with HE) but most of the time spread + 0 dmg hits making this ship really pain to play.

[Jamezdin]

i don't know about that. With 1,003 average XP per battle, and a 54% winrate with this BB, Im having quite a bit of success with it so far. The trick is not to stay at maximum range. By all means engage at max range, but close on an intercept course wherever possible and run if there is a chance of being overrun. It get's very deadly and quite low dispersion at 12 km and below. The ship also has a great turning circle despite being sluggish, it really is much better than all the preceeding USN BBs so I don't really get the hate for it...

[Kaladania]

After you mention stats i have been checking it out and i had more in South Carolina then New York xDDDD I dont know - some way everything feel wrong about it. Furutaka for me felt that way too on begining, but got much better with hull upgrades - New York even with hull upgrade doesnt quiet feel right - guns spread is way too much turning .... its hard to describe ... just feels wrong to me.

[__MrC]

Maybe South Carol can give sometimes more XP than a higher tier BB, but killing Chikuma's and Chester's or St.Louie is not the same with killing and defeding from their higher tier descendants........Maybe the japs have amazing range, but those hits with their guns and at so big distance are rare...I'm happy to meet any jap in my range with my NY.....

[Gerudan]

I must admit: Apart from one T8 game in which I was destroyed by a Hiryu and like 3 cruisers in only a few minutes trying to defend a cap point, I had surprisingly good games in the NY as of late. Currently my damage record of 162k was done in the NY as well as a record 5 kills (although I had that multiple times in different ships). 

 

However that sadly doesn't mean, I win those games. Specially today and last evening I had a lot of games that were losses or draws even with me getting like High Caliber and/or Confederate Achievements. 

[__MrC]

Just a thought, after anothers battles with NY....The increase range upgrade is a trade-off for accuracy and use of aiming crosshair..???  I had noticed that when I'm aiming like in my Wyoming ( with the horizontal line just under the target...) my shells  are sent always further than the aimed ship..(useless to say that same turret sends it's shells one shorter , one farther...but never grouped as Kongo's). Anyone experienced this ?

[Virikas]

I can not make this ship work no matter what I try...

 

It normally ends with me running the gauntlet as sooner or later I become the preferred target for some carrier and have to start dodging torpedos like a madman. And even if I quite perfectly turn into the torpedo bombers I normally catch at least one fish because the [edited]I just a meter to wide to get it out of the way entirely. And no matter what, either the dispersion is the worst I have encountered so far or RNG is against me with a vengeance in this ship. I can't seem to hit ... with it. Could not sink a Langley at 8km in 4-5 minutes of firing because I could barely score hits, not even dreaming of hitting the spot I was actually aiming for.

[Lykk00]

Honestly?

This is just a floating turd and xp pinata.

Overall it's just mediocore but the spread 10km+ is simply retarded.

[RAZ0RLIGHT]

 

so far, this Ship is the biggest Crap i have ever driven in this game...

 

barely any DMG with HE or AP (even on lightly armoured Cruisers i only get 1k dmg)

 

slower and clumsier than the Wyoming (which is greatly able to kill your New York easily)

 

what a pile of crap this ship is

 

edit: bought the Fire Control module and i got a totally different ship... what a huuuuuuge change in performance 

 

now the New York is awesome

[Ryuuteimaru]

Yup really bad ship guns seen to bounce off everything and it's slow as hell making it a easy target for CV.

[GTRaPToR]

Too bad my grind with it comes to an end. I think it's a supreme Beast; The Citadel Machine. Loved playing with it. Godlike compared to Kongo.

[OnboardG1]

It's a nice boat, but it has a glass jaw and a glass arse. Fortunately very few pubbies know where to land a blow on you when angled (protip, hit the bow just in front of the main belt, you'll go through into the magazines or hit the belt behind them for 33% damage pens).

[BabyAdmiral]

The New York was the first Battleship I felt really powerful in, it was also my first ship where I got a score of more than 1 enemy ship destroyed per battle. So far, I'm quite pleased with these statistics:

 

[ThePluckyBrit]

Nice review, I agree with it too, I adored the New York and the New Mexico, I think I may go back to the New York eventually as well, once the grinding is done!

[_Conan_Librarian_]

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[CS_Hubert]

It is by far the most unlucky boat I've ever sailed in this game. A full broadside salvo at 12 km only lands 1 or 2 hits (if any). Compared to the other Cruisers/Battleships I sail, that is well below average... Bordering to miserable.

[Hawkstorm]

All the US battleships including the New York which I currently own, and all those leading to it are awful.

 

 

Your outclassed because your speed is limited to 21knts, 30% lower than the Jap Battleships.

 

Also the spread of the Guns on the New York is no better than the lower tier ships in the line, is has the spread of a football pitch, its simply awful.

 

The lower tier ones are no better either and suffer from a lack of AA.

 

It looks like I'lll have to wait till Tier 8! to get a decent ship like in the US carrier line, they need patching attention.

[Kenliero]

New review on The Brooklyn Brawler. This time in test against Japanese Kongo. Stats and detailed comparison + gameplay:

 

EDIT: Re-run. Fixed some stats and uploaded new one.

 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

New review on The Brooklyn Brawler. This time in test against Japanese Kongo. Stats and detailed comparison + gameplay:

 

 

 

Nice review. Educational, interesting gameplay and all the statistics provided.  

However, I am stuck on Wyoming at the moment (which I note is also popular with some players). Suffering horribly from Aircraft Carriers at the moment - more so than on any other ship.

At my current, pathetic rate of progress I will need 39.8 more battles in Wyoming to get the XP needed to research New York. Don't think my nerves can stand it. 

 

New York looks a decent ship in terms of guns and armour, but no more easy to dodge aircraft torpedoes than Wyoming according to the stats.  And it is horribly slow.

 

Just how much of an upgrade is it? 

[Kenliero]

Nice review. Educational, interesting gameplay and all the statistics provided.  

However, I am stuck on Wyoming at the moment (which I note is also popular with some players). Suffering horribly from Aircraft Carriers at the moment - more so than on any other ship.

At my current, pathetic rate of progress I will need 39.8 more battles in Wyoming to get the XP needed to research New York. Don't think my nerves can stand it. 

 

New York looks a decent ship in terms of guns and armour, but no more easy to dodge aircraft torpedoes than Wyoming according to the stats.  And it is horribly slow.

 

Just how much of an upgrade is it? 

 

In my opinion the difference between New York and Wyoming is not really that big, how ever, New Mexico after that, is a great ship, one of my favorite Battleships. Managed 57% winrate with it. I think it is worth getting through Wyoming and New York, and even Colorado is rather good ship, even though there are many stories about how bad it is, but after buffs, it's actually quite good, fully upgraded. in ranked I ran 67% winrate with Colorado with 59k average damage. I haven't bought North Carolina yet, but I have grinded it already. I was grinding Colorado in ranked, which was good idea.(I think it's tiers 5-6 this time though)

 

If you do not like the slow speed of USN ships, you could consider Japanese tree. They are much faster. Their deck is also hard to hit from long range because the ships are very narrow... unlike USN, which has large and wide deck. and in tier 10 Yamato is the best Battleship in the game. I am focusing more on Japanese tree myself. I have Nagato there.

[_Flyto_]

Nice review. Educational, interesting gameplay and all the statistics provided.  

However, I am stuck on Wyoming at the moment (which I note is also popular with some players). Suffering horribly from Aircraft Carriers at the moment - more so than on any other ship.

At my current, pathetic rate of progress I will need 39.8 more battles in Wyoming to get the XP needed to research New York. Don't think my nerves can stand it. 

 

New York looks a decent ship in terms of guns and armour, but no more easy to dodge aircraft torpedoes than Wyoming according to the stats.  And it is horribly slow.

 

Just how much of an upgrade is it? 

 

If you don't like the Wyoming, you probably won't like the NY either. It's like Wyoming but more so - fewer (but bigger) guns in fewer turrets, one of which has very limited firing arcs. Slightly faster, but slower to manoeuvre, etc.

It felt less accurate when I first upgraded too, though I don't know whether the numbers bear that out - might just be fewer shells causing fewer hits.

AA is better.

 

Because of the tier, you also start facing scarier enemies, who can do you more serious damage. You stop seeing South Carolinas and start seeing Colorados and Nagatos. It's the NY that started teaching me how to play a BB well rather than sitting broadside on and spamming shells downrange. (though I'm sure there's plenty of learning still to do).

 

I didn't like the NY at all when I first upgraded, but now that it's fully kitted out I actually enjoy it a lot. But, I did like Wyoming too :-)

[Kissyfur]

Nice review! 

 

NY has a bit more AA, but Kongo has way more 2nd guns. HP on Kongo is higher, but the NY has stronger armor. Range is in favor of the Kongo, just as HE shell power and speed. But the NY has 1 more main turrent. 

Though the difference between the Kongo and NY is not that big. And they will play differently, it is just what you prefer. I would not dare to say which is better, depends on how you play. It is like comparing the Wyoming and the Myogi. Do not like how to play the Wyoming. I prefer the Myogi.

 

Just have to compliment you on the review, you (almost) sold the NY to me While I have a lot of Wyoming grinding to do to get my hands on her!