BBs are the speahread of attacks, yet..

[Soulblight]

they die SO FREAKING FAST?

 

 

Am i sailing a heavily armored, slow fortress or a papership??

 

I try to play my role as spearhead, i rush into the enemy, take the shots so my cruiser support can have fun but i die in 1minute.

This is major design flaw and my reaction to this is, that i will just die my way up till better protected ships appear and hopefully finally will find them in Ter 10 games. Its not me, its the flawed game design. Make them better protected to fufill their roles !!! i refuse to play a battleship as a pure "snipe behind islands" thing.

[MudMonkey]

Well dude, this is not World of Battleships. Meaning that every ship should be worth playing without being too weak against others. This game revolves around a simple principle. Rock, Paper, Scissors. This includes that also BBs have their sworn enemys. And those are mostly DDs and certainly also Planes. You should stop sinking thinking that just because you are in a big armored ship you are invincible. Try to check out the forum for guides for BB gameplay. I am sure you will find help there.

[snipereye123]

They are armored and have large HP pool, but that doesn't mean you can stand against 5 ships firing at you for long.. Their combined DPM (Damage Per Minute) will be too high and the chance to hit increase too because you have 5 humans aiming at you, if one fail the others will hit you.

[dumbo11]

I try to play my role as spearhead, i rush into the enemy, take the shots so my cruiser support can have fun but i die in 1minute.

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/game/classes_of_ships/#battleships

-> "Try to be out of range of enemy guns during the entire battle."

 

Although, obviously, BBs are hopelessly inaccurate at range, are trivially dodged at range, and at several tiers a BB will be outranged...

 

Realistically you want CAs in the front, with BBs behind them.  Not for the CAs to take fire, but because the CAs have better concealment and aren't so massively vulnerable to torpedoes.

[crazy5982]

I don't know if you play/ have played Wot before, but there are some players (mostly you see this in scouts) that rush towards the enemy and die very quickly, then blame the team for not helping. Sounds like what you are trying to do on your BB's.

 

Yes BBs can take hits, they have armor and HP for it, but there is a difference between taking unnecessary damage and playing smart. ie. minimizing the amount of people that can shoot you, angling you ships and only turning when you're loaded and have a target to shoot, dodging fire (yes even BBs can dodge).

 

TLDR: All ship types have strengths and weaknesses, it's up to you to use them to their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1. you ain't "sailing" - you are "driving". The ships we play don't have sails anymore...
2. you are driving a heavily armoured, slow papership. Battleships are against common opinion NOT invulnerable. They just can take a lot of beating, if treated right.
3. Spearheading - YOLO! - directly into a bunch of opponents is NOT treating your battleship right
4. The ships at Tier X do have better armour. As the opponents do have better weapons. Expect to be sunk like now if you don't learn how to treat your battleship right.

 

What You SHOULD do with a battleship is:

 

1. Learn where the "sweet zone" is, in which you can trade shots with other Battleships and where you can shoot at Cruisers from just outside their range
2. make other battleships shoot at you instead of the cruisers that - hopefully - accompany you.

 

Oh... and watch the Videos in the thread above... Captain's thingy... they are quite helpfull

1. get the cruisers to focus on the same targets as you

[Admiral_noodle]

BBs are not spearheads. They do not rush forward. This is not how they were designed to work!

 

Suggest reading about major naval battles and tactics. Wows is realistic *enough* for naval tactics to actually work

[McCracken666]

they do need to be in the front along with CA. I dont care what others think, they are not effective in the back, seen it a 1000 times now.

 

Push along with CA and its so powerfull. Thing is, they get ZERO support when being in the back, they get everything if they push in front.

 

yes yes, they cant rush, ofc they cant, its about making a plan with the rest and stick with it

[Admiral_noodle]

I don't mean camping. I mean not rushing in alone. Sit back supporting cruisers and flush out dds. Then pick the moment and "press" the enemy. Don't charge in, ease in, with team mates.

[caldark]

no need to rush in by yuorself.. stick with others for support..

 

Sure battleships have tons of HP and can take and give out damage.. but they are slow firing, slow speed and slow at turning and usually dont have much AA protection.. so you need to stick with others for support and they in turn need your support..

[Admiral_noodle]

I'm pretty good at BB play tactically, plus my situational awareness is usually good. Sadly I seem to suck at shooting

 

However a battleship has no place charging forward especially when close to islands. It's asking to be sunk - cf Dardanelles, battles at Leyte...

 

BBs are at their best in 2s or 3s, close to the middle of the map (ie not way over on one end), with good sea room escorted by 3 or so cruisers screening them. Works amazingly well!

[Dai2]

Guys, the title of this topic is wrong , BBs are not the spear head of an attack.

Here is what it should be:

1)1st line : DDs , trying to cap, to torpedo anything they can hit in CQC or in long range torp sniping.

2)2nd line: CA/CL , At the limit of their range, between the BBs and the carriers.

3)3rd line : BBs, at 65% of their max range, not too far behind the cruisers , putting medium range shots.

CV camps at the back of the map if he is a noob/ follows the action closely behind the others if he is good(short flight times)

[Figment]

I try to play my role as spearhead, i rush into the enemy, take the shots so my cruiser support can have fun but i die in 1minute.

This is major design flaw and my reaction to this is, that i will just die my way up till better protected ships appear and hopefully finally will find them in Ter 10 games. Its not me, its the flawed game design. Make them better protected to fufill their roles !!! i refuse to play a battleship as a pure "snipe behind islands" thing.

 

You sir, are maybe not as good as you think you are and probably should first apply some modesty before finding scapegoats to YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEMS.

[Dai2]

 

You sir, are maybe not as good as you think you are and probably should first apply some modesty before finding scapegoats to YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEMS.

 

50 bucks that he is going to edit his post and say you are a liar.

[Galadul]

they die SO FREAKING FAST?

 

 

Am i sailing a heavily armored, slow fortress or a papership??

 

I try to play my role as spearhead, i rush into the enemy, take the shots so my cruiser support can have fun but i die in 1minute.

This is major design flaw and my reaction to this is, that i will just die my way up till better protected ships appear and hopefully finally will find them in Ter 10 games. Its not me, its the flawed game design. Make them better protected to fufill their roles !!! i refuse to play a battleship as a pure "snipe behind islands" thing.

 

As BB you need to find "the golden middle ground." You can't be the frontline ship,  but you shouldn't be all the way at the back being of no use to your team, either. Some matches its hard to do because of how the team plays, but stay among cruisers if you can - just never be the front ship or the last ship to abandon a flank.

[Figment]

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[Dai2]

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[Admiral_noodle]

...and that's just insulting him

 

Was trying to educate and help here :p

[Aldramelech]

The problem with most BB drivers is that because they have all those turrets they think they always have to have them pointed at the enemy at all times. The majority of BB drivers atm make no effort at all to angle their armour.

[Kryostorm]

Once you get your Kongo you will be able to fire at 19k plus so no need to spearhead, Japanese BB's are not as well armored as US so best to use your speed advantage for hit and run fights

[Admiral_noodle]

Ah yes. I've noticed people have forgotten (or never learned) about angling. My kill rate has gone up from 2 kills in 3 games to a kill per game now.

 

Stay 45 degrees on people!

[rustyfeeder]

The core battle mechanics for this game can be dumbped down to the following. Most important for BB - positioning. For Cruisers - manevuring. For DDs - stealth. For carriers - micromanagement. And for all classes aiming is important.

[Figment]

...and that's just insulting him

 

Was trying to educate and help here :p

 

I'm just observing and evaluating. At the least he's capable of writing a coherent sentence. Unfortunately, he's not capable of logic. :/

 

Even more unfortunate is that people confuse lack of self-critique and high ego with being insulted when someone observes and states something factual about them that doesn't fit their personal view. It would be a much better world when people would be capable of accepting critique and would be the first to critique themselves, rather than everything around them, before considering their own flaws, wouldn't it?

[Orlunu]

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/game/classes_of_ships/#battleships

-> "Try to be out of range of enemy guns during the entire battle."

 

Although, obviously, BBs are hopelessly inaccurate at range, are trivially dodged at range, and at several tiers a BB will be outranged...

 

Realistically you want CAs in the front, with BBs behind them.  Not for the CAs to take fire, but because the CAs have better concealment and aren't so massively vulnerable to torpedoes.

 

That's horrible, horrible advice.  Please don't spread it.  A CA is pretty much as vulnerable to a BB to torpedoes, and by hanging back BBs are both losing their ability to tank for the team, and are slashing their own DPM.  In a battle line, BBs should go to their armour's sweet spot, which is usually 8km or so out, and CAs should be operating at their maximum range.  CL and DD can screen and torpedo, but they shouldn't be getting between the battle lines.

[Vanhal]

BBs should go to their armour's sweet spot, which is usually 8km or so out

 

That's not even spearheading an attack, that's pure YOLO charge, especially on higher tiers. Well, it will work against single ship, but any more and you burn and eat torps faster than you can say "sweet spot".

 

Although i am really relieved most of the people (not counting OP and Orlunu) finally seems to get that BB simply cannot act as meat shields, but need some skill for finding correct balance between useful range and relative safety.