Impossible to Evade Carrier Torps. (Not when you evade properly).

[Outlawz0111]

Let me show you something,

 

 

^ That is a BB player, one that has used his human brain to properly evade my torpedo bombers. As you can see i launched a full set of torpedoes, even lined them up a few times near the end but he still out skilled me. The player who i congratulated deserved to be the pin up boy of how to evade torpedoes. He took a few hits from me and the other carrier, but he evaded most of those launched and amazingly he survived almost the entire match using proper evading techniques.

 

I would respectfully like to ask captains to stop the whine already, nothing will ever change from whining, carriers do have balance issues but that is to do with the match maker putting 2 against 1 which can feel like hell if your on the opposing team in a battleship, do not worry captains things will be sorted hopefully in that respect.

 

Would the kind hearted captains please reduce the whining its ruining a once peaceful and generous community i loved and cherished!.

 

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[genai]

That was one horrible drop... LOL

Maybe try to checking how actually good CV players do it...

 

That drop everyone can dodge... no one cares about bad drops like that... you can check streams of good cv players... they go for DDs if they want to and they cant dodge...

But you as a supertester obviously have to do PR for wg... so cant hold it against you

[Hydranyx]

4 Torpedo drop coming from the same angle of attack... GG

Maybe try this next time:

 

[Naskoni]

Funny there is a torp on the right side of the BB and a certain emptiness between the torps on either side of the BB, not to mention a good hunk of his health missing (like half of it). I'm not quite sold on him evading much there. Yes, he was supposed to die in a single hit, but he only lost like half his health. I'm sure your next pass of turning-on-a-dime helicopter-like bombers finished him off in 2.3min. Lining two squadrons of torpedo bombers on a BB takes SO much skill really, its not like having to aim over 12km and hoping the RNG will actually let you do damage to another ship. There is no RNG here, your torps always go where you tell them to and it takes just a couple of clicks. There is a reason players in WoT figuratively regard artillery players as "clickers" - has to do with the amount of skill involved. Although I'm starting to think playing a CV here takes even less so.

[Puffadder]

+1 Outlaw ;)

 

All those who whine - you can easily dodge most torpedoes, ranged fire and running aground if you just pay attention to your surroundings. Always play with an eye on the radarmap. Always be aware of the MANY warnings the game gives you ... the ping sounds for example, when torpedoes are incoming.

Also keep an eye on the sky for enemy planes. You can manouver around according to where those planes are located. It doesn't take a genious to figure out if TBs/DBs are headed towards you. Than control your ship accordingly to make yourself a much smaller target.

 

I'm figuring most whiners are just "tunnel visioners" who gets pixxxd about being sunk. Tunnel vision will get you sunk.

[Naskoni]

+1 Outlaw ;)

 

All those who whine - you can easily dodge most torpedoes, ranged fire and running aground if you just pay attention to your surroundings. Always play with an eye on the radarmap. Always be aware of the MANY warnings the game gives you ... the ping sounds for example, when torpedoes are incoming.

Also keep an eye on the sky for enemy planes. You can manouver around according to where those planes are located. It doesn't take a genious to figure out if TBs/DBs are headed towards you. Than control your ship accordingly to make yourself a much smaller target.

 

I'm figuring most whiners are just "tunnel visioners" who gets pixxxd about being sunk. Tunnel vision will get you sunk.

 

 

 

Funny how BB players have to do all those things to even stand a chance of staying alive a little bit longer, but CV player have to do more or less none of those. They just get to click a couple of times every 3-4min and watch BBs die, all the while telling them its ok and all is good...

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

CVs killed off BBs in real life and in game they should be thebattle deciders and are not OP bar the ammount of squadrons jap CVs have. Can be countered by traveling in packs for combined AA fire. But I do believe the MM needs fixing but only for CVs so alway equal on both sides

[Outlawz0111]

The BB player on that picture survived almost the entire match, he evaded a lot of torpedoes. He has half of his HP missing because he was engaging a cruiser at the time and he got hit from our friendly carrier but he still managed to evade properly. 

 

No matter what i say the coin always has two sides captains. I feel the pain at the moment when 2 v 1 matches happen with carriers though. Battleships are very very frustrating to play when you have two enemy carriers after your guts, while your friendly carrier barely has any chance to react properly!. The match maker needs a tweak its quite clear, the 2v1 matches have to go im standing firm on that stance and wont give it up.

[OpCentar]

Evading two bomber squadrons is... possible. Three difficult and unlikely without proper AA. Four or more and there's not an AA battery that can save you.

 

And carriers get three bomber squadrons from tier 5+.

 

It's not very complicated to do the math.

[VonNorwegen]

Just turn your ship haha. Here it comes yet again...

[Puffadder]

 

 

 

Funny how BB players have to do all those things to even stand a chance of staying alive a little bit longer, but CV player have to do more or less none of those. They just get to click a couple of times every 3-4min and watch BBs die, all the while telling them its ok and all is good...

 

Seriously???? Did you ever drive CVs? From the comments you did there, you obviously haven't. CV is perhaps the most stressful ship to play. And it only gets more stressful as you progress up the tech tree.

Personally - I dislike driving CVs. I did them in CBT and found them to be more strategic than anything else. And for that I would play C&C. But I did get some experience in them. Enough to voice an opinion ...

You play a friggin WARGAME. What did you expect? All enemies line up and let you take a pick at them????

Of course you're required to take precautions. People will actually shoot back at you.

 

Now you made a huge generalisation. I will also make one now:

Funny how beginners always go to forum and whine and complain and side with other newbies, when they get destroyed and shot at in a wargame.

 

When you have gained some experience in CVs ... come back and let us discuss this further.

[Naskoni]

 

Seriously???? Did you ever drive CVs? From the comments you did there, you obviously haven't. CV is perhaps the most stressful ship to play. And it only gets more stressful as you progress up the tech tree.

Personally - I dislike driving CVs. I did them in CBT and found them to be more strategic than anything else. And for that I would play C&C. But I did get some experience in them. Enough to voice an opinion ...

You play a friggin WARGAME. What did you expect? All enemies line up and let you take a pick at them????

Of course you're required to take precautions. People will actually shoot back at you.

 

Now you made a huge generalisation. I will also make one now:

Funny how beginners always go to forum and whine and complain and side with other newbies, when they get destroyed and shot at in a wargame.

 

When you have gained some experience in CVs ... come back and let us discuss this further.

 

 

Guess you have never played any RTS games in the past, have you? You are worse than the clickers in WoT...

[HaganeNoKaze]

As allways, if BB could manage to avoid all dropped torpedoes, there would be no point to play carriers.

 

@Naskoni Sincerly, i play US cruisers, i played JPN BB during CBT, and allways, i'm CV player. And sincerly, i allways played cruisers or BB to have a break after a game in CV that would require more focus on your actions and concentration in comparison of the BB or CA/CL.

Due to your stats that only show that you play only BBs so far and Cruisers, you don't know how is CV gameplay, or DD gameplay that is lot of more skilful than BB/CA ones.

 

CVs have to:

-Scout maps for incoming DD.

-Keep an eye everytime on minimap to check ennemies plane coming (if there is an ennemy CV).

-Trying to survive to ennemy CV (considering that the number of players playing cruisers as escort are rares.

-Manage his squadrons 1 by 1.

-Choose appropriate target (and not charging in a pack of ships covered by several US cruisers after tier VI as we can already see...)

-Aim properly considering ennemy reaction with both TB and DB, one by one to be still more efficient.

-Position your carrier efficienlty on the map to reduce delay between raids without putting yourself in immediate danger.

 

And when a DD manage to pass through the lines:

-Avoid torpedoes, as every class have to.

-Managing to have DD in fire range of your secondary turrets (thanks god, DD try to approach everytime !).

 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 The BB player on that picture survived almost the entire match

 

Guess by that he didn't make it and got sunk eventually by the 2 CVs focusing on him which is the core issue of the CV controversy - there is no escaping a CV's strike squadrons...

 

In a 1 on 1 situation where the CV is undetected by the BB the BB always comes up short and will be sunk unless the CV players is completely incompetent.

I haven't so far been in a situation while playing CV where a focused attack on any non CV ship didn't end up in the other ship sinking and from my own experience the act of attacking an enemy ship is not what takes skill, planning which ship and in which order does however so the 'no skill' is true with regards to pulling the trigger on the victims but not with regards to planning.

[Torpedo42]

Worst torpedo drop ever!

[Naskoni]

As allways, if BB could manage to avoid all dropped torpedoes, there would be no point to play carriers.

 

@Naskoni Sincerly, i play US cruisers, i played JPN BB during CBT, and allways, i'm CV player. And sincerly, i allways played cruisers or BB to have a break after a game in CV that would require more focus on your actions and concentration in comparison of the BB or CA/CL.

Due to your stats that only show that you play only BBs so far and Cruisers, you don't know how is CV gameplay, or DD gameplay that is lot of more skilful than BB/CA ones.

 

CVs have to:

-Scout maps for incoming DD.

-Keep an eye everytime on minimap to check ennemies plane coming (if there is an ennemy CV).

-Trying to survive to ennemy CV (considering that the number of players playing cruisers as escort are rares.

-Manage his squadrons 1 by 1.

-Choose appropriate target (and not charging in a pack of ships covered by several US cruisers after tier VI as we can already see...)

-Aim properly considering ennemy reaction with both TB and DB, one by one to be still more efficient.

-Position your carrier efficienlty on the map to reduce delay between raids without putting yourself in immediate danger.

 

And when a DD manage to pass through the lines:

-Avoid torpedoes, as every class have to.

-Managing to have DD in fire range of your secondary turrets (thanks god, DD try to approach everytime !).

 

 

 

There is this thing called Youtube... which I did visit in order to see whether to even get a carrier. It's a simplified RTS game, which involves plenty of clicking and not particularly much skill. If you think this game is hard try to play Company of Heroes in ranked matches. Guess your brain will overload...

[TKFF]

Sorry,but that was just a bad torpedo drop. But at least this guy paid attention and didn't just sail in a straight line.

[Puffadder]

@Naskomi - returning to your original statement I responded to ...

 Funny how BB players have to do all those things to even stand a chance of staying alive a little bit longer, but CV player have to do more or less none of those. They just get to click a couple of times every 3-4min and watch BBs die, all the while telling them its ok and all is good...

 ...

So you're saying that a CV driver goes to the corner of the map, stays there - and then only click every few mins to launch squadrons, direct them, attack with them and then returning them? And that is pretty much all he has to do the entire game?

CV drivers doesn't have to have situational awareness? And not pay attention to surroundings?

If it really is that easy - why do you think theres not more players who drive CVs then?

I play battleships, cruisers and destroyers (and carriers in CBT) - and the same is a rule for ALL ship types. Be aware of your surroundings. If you don't pay attention - you end up dead.

From your profile I can see you have yet to even play a single game in a carrier. So let me repeat myself:

Go gain some experience in carrier play - then come back and let us continue this conversation.

[Naskoni]

@Naskomi - returning to your original statement I responded to ...

 ...

So you're saying that a CV driver goes to the corner of the map, stays there - and then only click every few mins to launch squadrons, direct them, attack with them and then returning them? And that is pretty much all he has to do the entire game?

CV drivers doesn't have to have situational awareness? And not pay attention to surroundings?

If it really is that easy - why do you think theres not more players who drive CVs then?

I play battleships, cruisers and destroyers (and carriers in CBT) - and the same is a rule for ALL ship types. Be aware of your surroundings. If you don't pay attention - you end up dead.

From your profile I can see you have yet to even play a single game in a carrier. So let me repeat myself:

Go gain some experience in carrier play - then come back and let us continue this conversation.

 

 

 

Guess most of the people interested in playing simplified RTS games go and play actual RTS games instead of playing CV in this one? Or do you, in your remarkably simplified logic, assume that just because everybody and his dog tried to play BBs this weekend they are the most OP ship class in this game, because from what I've seen so far they seem the weakest and the least flexible.

 

 

And yes, I think playing carriers is directly comparable to the retarded simplicity of playing artillery in WoT - anyone that has played any even remotely demanding RTS game in his life would do wonders here. I'd rather uninstall the game than play as a carrier - there are MUCH better RTS games out there if I ever felt like playing one. I haven't booted Company of Heroes for quite some time...

[FemboyWaifu]

Have you tried launching the torpedoes at battleships from two directions instead of one, or even three directions?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

@Naskomi - returning to your original statement I responded to ...

 

Dude, let it be... it's not worth the effort of typing.

[Puffadder]

 

 

 

Guess most of the people interested in playing simplified RTS games go and play actual RTS games instead of playing CV in this one? Or do you, in your remarkably simplified logic, assume that just because everybody and his dog tried to play BBs this weekend they are the most OP ship class in this game, because from what I've seen so far they seem the weakest and the least flexible.

 

 

And yes, I think playing carriers is directly comparable to the retarded simplicity of playing artillery in WoT - anyone that has played any even remotely demanding RTS game in his life would do wonders here. I'd rather uninstall the game than play as a carrier - there are MUCH better RTS games out there if I ever felt like playing one. I haven't booted Company of Heroes for quite some time...

 

I have to agree with you on that one - CV gameplay in this game is too little about actual playing and too much about strategy. Too boring for my taste.

But - I have tried it. So - unlike you - I do know what I am talking about.

But even though I will not be playing CV in OBT - theres still far to go to call them OP. And the simplification you do about their actual gameplay, is perhaps founded in you being totally oblivious as to how the game play of that particular ship type is.

To answer your question about me believing BBs to be the most OP ship type in this game .... no! That particular type of ship is perhaps the least versatile type of combat vessel. But getting back to the point in this topic - BBs is quite capable of fending for themselves. And I return to my statement about paying attention to the game surroundings. Anyone who plays this game - and doesn't pay attention to progression of game - becomes an easy target. That can be said regardless of ship type. You don't have to be a CV player to make easy kills. Anyone without awareness is one.

I am not saying you can counter any and all airplane attacks. But everyone can - with just a tiny bit of understanding on how CV game play works - counter an airstrike.

It all comes down to skill.

And when CV skill is concerned - you don't have any.

[Kryostorm]

Even with a good scissor strike the introduction of fighters in OBT starting on Kuma's is quite a game changer for CV players especially Jap CV's  as that single fighter does a lot of disruption to the planes and the torpedo spread goes so wide it makes it difficult to hit any ship that is prepared to evade, any tier III/IV player that doesn't have AA really should sail in a group with a Kuma escort as your survival rate could increase drastically. If I'm playing CV and I see a bunch of fighters appear over a group I usually start looking for alternative targets unless there's no choice as a failed strike can waste quite a lot of game time in which you may be hunted by a DD or enemy planes.

 

I can't stress this enough for new players if you are in a BB and you stop behind an island or in the middle of the ocean to fire at the enemy, the planes can see you from a long way away and by the time they are positioned to strike you will have no time to gain speed and evade, it will result in you letting your team down.

 

 

[Ishiro32]

@Naskoni

I didn't like Company of Heroes. From relic I always prefered DoW1, but overall I agree, anyone who had even passing intrest in the RTS genre even on casual level might be bored with CV gameplay. It is too simplistic. It has it's moments sometimes though, often I spread out forces and attack two targets at the same time, just to make it a bit harder and by extension... fun.

I think WG did a huge mistake not pandering to the RTS crowd enough, most WoT players will not be intrested in pseudo rts game style to begin with, so why dumb it down for them? I am not saying that we need something super complex, just not something with skillcap so low that it could be released on a phone.

[specialkha]

As allways, if BB could manage to avoid all dropped torpedoes, there would be no point to play carriers.

 

@Naskoni Sincerly, i play US cruisers, i played JPN BB during CBT, and allways, i'm CV player. And sincerly, i allways played cruisers or BB to have a break after a game in CV that would require more focus on your actions and concentration in comparison of the BB or CA/CL.

Due to your stats that only show that you play only BBs so far and Cruisers, you don't know how is CV gameplay, or DD gameplay that is lot of more skilful than BB/CA ones.

 

CVs have to:

-Scout maps for incoming DD.

-Keep an eye everytime on minimap to check ennemies plane coming (if there is an ennemy CV).

-Trying to survive to ennemy CV (considering that the number of players playing cruisers as escort are rares.

-Manage his squadrons 1 by 1.

-Choose appropriate target (and not charging in a pack of ships covered by several US cruisers after tier VI as we can already see...)

-Aim properly considering ennemy reaction with both TB and DB, one by one to be still more efficient.

-Position your carrier efficienlty on the map to reduce delay between raids without putting yourself in immediate danger.

 

And when a DD manage to pass through the lines:

-Avoid torpedoes, as every class have to.

-Managing to have DD in fire range of your secondary turrets (thanks god, DD try to approach everytime !).

 

 

And yet you have double the XP in CV than any others ships.