Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #26 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Hey, c'mon, I think this is going too far. His statement made me roll my eyes too, but we should remember that the St. Louis is a rather... unbalanced ship, meaning that it's pretty much all about firepower and almost nothing else (low top speed, some protection), while other ships are a more balanced blend of firepower, speed and protection. It's rather understandable why some new player might find it frustrating. Of course, he should have had more patience, but this is no reason to go down so heavily on him. Edited July 5, 2015 by Historynerd 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #27 Posted July 5, 2015 Maybe its a tier 3.2 or something. I also feel its a tad bit too strong, but nothing dramatically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaptain_Tripps Beta Tester 239 posts 5,517 battles Report post #28 Posted July 5, 2015 Maybe its a tier 3.2 or something. I also feel its a tad bit too strong, but nothing dramatically. Maybe a small hit point nerf is called for but certainly nothing dramtic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reaver2145 Beta Tester 59 posts 1,437 battles Report post #29 Posted July 5, 2015 Hey, c'mon, I think this is going too far. I don't care what you think, if you want to be offended by this then good for you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #30 Posted July 5, 2015 The St.Louis is the easiest to kill if you drive a Battleship. Use AP and score citadel hits much easier then om any other ship around this tier No. Just no. I sailed Louis and killed 4 ! Tier 4 BB's without even taking damage from them, they where simply unable to hit me while i burned them to death before they could reload their thrid salvo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #31 Posted July 5, 2015 I don't care what you think, if you want to be offended by this then good for you. It's not me who might be offended. I just think that it's being too harsh on the OP. Perhaps it's this kind of behavior that makes some say that this community leans towards some toxicity... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #32 Posted July 5, 2015 No. Just no. I sailed Louis and killed 4 ! Tier 4 BB's without even taking damage from them, they where simply unable to hit me while i burned them to death before they could reload their thrid salvo. Weird. Although I do find their citadels hard to hit, I don't fear St. Louis with myogi. For a start I'm faster and can simply open the range to where he can't hit me back. Plus I have captain skills to stop the silly fires a little. Just don't duel with the St. Louis in its comfort zone... Kawachi is less good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaptain_Tripps Beta Tester 239 posts 5,517 battles Report post #33 Posted July 5, 2015 No. Just no. I sailed Louis and killed 4 ! Tier 4 BB's without even taking damage from them, they where simply unable to hit me while i burned them to death before they could reload their thrid salvo. Were they all afk or did you just make this up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troubledove Players 36 posts 1,497 battles Report post #34 Posted July 5, 2015 Louie seems abit OP My suggestions: - reduce accuracy on long range - make it meet tier 5 - Make chance of fire dependant on gun size instead of global constant. - add a bit more chances for magazine detonation (this thing is box of dynamites.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philipp_ab_exterminatore Alpha Tester 1,191 posts 8,097 battles Report post #35 Posted July 5, 2015 No. Just no. I sailed Louis and killed 4 ! Tier 4 BB's without even taking damage from them, they where simply unable to hit me while i burned them to death before they could reload their thrid salvo. They musy of been some really bad BB drivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BM72] Blastmaster1972 Beta Tester 39 posts 1,571 battles Report post #36 Posted July 5, 2015 Hey look, it's another "I got killed by a [insert vehicle of choice] it needs to be nerfed" thread. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TRYIT] wremise Beta Tester 263 posts 3,333 battles Report post #37 Posted July 5, 2015 well.. i have to admit, she is pretty unbalanced for her tier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #38 Posted July 5, 2015 Its easy to kite her with ships that have longer range, since Luie is slow. Also she likes to eat torpedoes. The worst thing you can do (even in BBs it seems) is a shootout. You will likely lose it. My only balance-suggestion would be to make her citadels easier to hit. Unlike the rest of american lowtier-cruisers shots to the waterline most often do not damage citadel which makes her a bit too sturdy imho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #39 Posted July 5, 2015 Were they all afk or did you just make this up? No, its just way to easy to burn down BB's while doding their horrendously inaccurae guns. Same from the other side btw, if i see Louis in a BB i dont even bother shooting at it, i just sail away. No sense in having tripple fire after every salvo while i can shoot the water around it every 30 seconds. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DtXpwnz Beta Tester 1,160 posts 377 battles Report post #40 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) I kinda agree with OP, it is totally unbalanced for tier 3. St.Louis really is the only ship on that tier that presents large threat, I was recently platooning with couple of beginners that just got into the game, I got Chester and they were driving tier 3 ships. I was averaging 45k dmg and getting 3+ kills every game and St.Louis was the only threat in these games, it killed me 3 times in a row. I would rather take on T4 BB than St.Louis. You cannot citadel it, unless you are in BB, it has ridiculous amount of HP for cruiser and ton of guns with good accuracy. At least make it easier to citadel, it is the ultimate anti-cruiser ship in the game now, no cruiser is match for it. Edited July 5, 2015 by DtXpwnz 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenith Beta Tester 658 posts Report post #41 Posted July 5, 2015 Isn't it funny, people claim it's not even a little bit OP, yet what is the most common T3 queued for matches? Uh... yeah, the St. Louis. Japanese ships at that tier are actually a rarity, and it's no real surprise. When you have ten 152mm main guns, eighteen 76mm secondary guns, and a RoF of 7.5 rounds/min, then it's not hard to see why people love this ship. Sure it's slow, but then so is the Kawachi, and the latter isn't anywhere near as competitive (evidenced by the fact that you won't be seeing very many of them). It's just too good for its tier right now, and as such I think we will see adjustments in the coming weeks and months. The RoF needs toning down, for starters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pivke Beta Tester 542 posts 3,394 battles Report post #42 Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) i just cannot wait when this guy meets a Cleveland or an Atlanta! this is going to be epic! Edited July 5, 2015 by Pivke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheJezna Beta Tester 790 posts 1,808 battles Report post #43 Posted July 5, 2015 No. Just no. I sailed Louis and killed 4 ! Tier 4 BB's without even taking damage from them, they where simply unable to hit me while i burned them to death before they could reload their thrid salvo. Your best game out of your six in the St.Louis had you kill two ships and do about 80 k damage. So even if there was another game where you actually killed 4 BBs they where far from full health 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenith Beta Tester 658 posts Report post #44 Posted July 5, 2015 i just cannot wait when this guy meets a Cleveland or an Atlanta! this is going to be epic! I don't think you understand what is being discussed here. At T3 few ships can match the St. Louis, and that is a problem, regardless of how you try to spin it. It has a fire-power advantage over EVERY ship at T3, and it can take damage like a T4 BB. Come on now, I know you're probably enjoying it, but a bit of objectivity is vital if the game is to thrive. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEEF] Purple_Alert Beta Tester 273 posts 6,925 battles Report post #45 Posted July 5, 2015 CBT I got up to tier 8 but still kept my Louie for trolling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pivke Beta Tester 542 posts 3,394 battles Report post #46 Posted July 5, 2015 I don't think you understand what is being discussed here. At T3 few ships can match the St. Louis, and that is a problem, regardless of how you try to spin it. It has a fire-power advantage over EVERY ship at T3, and it can take damage like a T4 BB. Come on now, I know you're probably enjoying it, but a bit of objectivity is vital if the game is to thrive. i dont realy like St louis (its too sluggish for me) to be honest i just did it to get to get to battleship line. "At T3 few ships can match the St. Louis" At T3 no ship can match st. Louis (in sheer amounts of HE spam). but, try to torpedo him and you have just won the day. its so slow and sluggish that it has big difficulties to avoid torpedoes (+ st. louis drivers are so tunell visioned its just funny! they think they are gods or something). my prime target when im in my destroyer, guaranteed hits + awesome, awesome rage from their drivers! p.s. but yeah people say that destroyers, carriers and torpedoes in general are ruining the game lets nerf them some more... enjoy fighting unbeatable trollships than. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troubledove Players 36 posts 1,497 battles Report post #47 Posted July 5, 2015 Also, the amount of fires it creates is ridiculous. Since each hit is x% chance then ship like St Louis is basically flamethrower by the amount of cannons it has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #48 Posted July 5, 2015 People all have St. Louis because it's in the path to us cruisers and bbs... So it's ground twice (!) I still don't rate it. I hated playing her and now I just make sure I engage at long range. She's so slow you get to dictate the terms of the battle with most other ships. I suppose an exception would be US BBs which can't get away but they have better guns and ought to sink St. Louis before they burn you to death. I do think it's to hard to citadel the ship though. Unlike Kuma or Tenryu which I always aim for for the easy criticals! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PorkusMaxmius Players 11 posts 498 battles Report post #49 Posted July 5, 2015 Isn't it funny, people claim it's not even a little bit OP, yet what is the most common T3 queued for matches? Uh... yeah, the St. Louis. Japanese ships at that tier are actually a rarity, and it's no real surprise. When you have ten 152mm main guns, eighteen 76mm secondary guns, and a RoF of 7.5 rounds/min, then it's not hard to see why people love this ship. Sure it's slow, but then so is the Kawachi, and the latter isn't anywhere near as competitive (evidenced by the fact that you won't be seeing very many of them). It's just too good for its tier right now, and as such I think we will see adjustments in the coming weeks and months. The RoF needs toning down, for starters. I know right. I'd rather face a Tier 3 BB any day of the week than a St. Louis that knows what he's doing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OCTO] Broevaharo Alpha Tester 726 posts 50,329 battles Report post #50 Posted July 5, 2015 People think it's OP because they haven't figured out how to counter it yet and that goes for pretty much all the Nerf this and Nerf that threats. Yes it has an impressive amount of guns and an impressive rate of fire but most ships have speed advantage and gun range over it and they should use that, the problem is they don't and they burn to a crisp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
