Spanish Tech Tree Proposal

[TLG_]

i think the spanish armada sucked

 

they were infantry carrying treasure ships. slow walloping seacows

 

so i declare forget the spanish navy

 

lets have the Swiss Navy first !

[Historynerd]

i think the spanish armada sucked

 

they were infantry carrying treasure ships. slow walloping seacows

 

so i declare forget the spanish navy

 

lets have the Swiss Navy first !

 

A very constructive intervention. My compliments.

[TLG_]

actually whenever some nationalist wants to have a irrelevant nations Navy, i say ,

 

SWISS NAVY !

 

Spanish Navy Portugese Navy , Argentine Navy, Brasilian Navy, Chile Navy, Romanian Navy, Turkish Navy,Siam Navy, Greece Navy, Bulgarian Navy, Albanian Navy...

 

and other totaly unimportant Navys.

 

I say : SWISS NAVY !

 

ok a joke :

 

during the 2nd WW

 

a Nazi Diplomat was walking with a swiss diplomat on a boulavard at the Geneva See

 

the Nazi Diplomat pointed at a builduing and asked the swiss :

 

"whats that builduing ?"

the swiss answerd :

 

" its the Navy ministry"

 

the Nazi peplexed asked :

 

"why does swisserland need a navy ministry ?"

 

the swiss answered :

"why does germany need a justice ministry ?"

[Historynerd]

actually whenever some nationalist wants to have a irrelevant nations Navy, i say ,

 

SWISS NAVY !

 

Spanish Navy Portugese Navy , Argentine Navy, Brasilian Navy, Chile Navy, Romanian Navy, Turkish Navy,Siam Navy, Greece Navy, Bulgarian Navy, Albanian Navy...

 

and other totaly unimportant Navys.

 

I say : SWISS NAVY !

 

And do you actually assume that somebody is going to take what you say seriously?

 

Oh, and fun fact: during WWII Switzerland operated a number of merchant ships on high seas to ensure that some needed resources could be transported at all times.

[Benaguasil]

Chamorro you could put the Pelayo, the Carlos V and the Cardenal Cisneros class in tier 2 or 3 like the mikasa. All of them were in active in the 1900. I think that the best would be for tier 2.

 

And are you sure that the canarias had twin secondary turrets of 120mm?? I ask you because i haven´t seen or read it in any image or forum.

[black_falcon120]

Please don't give WG any more excuses to delay the RN  

 

RN>All others (Except possibly US)

[Historynerd]

Please don't give WG any more excuses to delay the RN  

 

RN>All others (Except possibly US)

 

...As if this proposal might take precedence or even delay in the strangest possible way the RN tree... 

[Pardinas_82]

Please don't give WG any more excuses to delay the RN  

 

RN>All others (Except possibly US)

 

Seriuosly man...

The problem with the delay of the RN is the spanish armada and not the paper russian tree... Suuuuuuuure

[sunday]

Very, very interesting work, Chamorro.

[black_falcon120]

I'm not saying it will, but WG might decide to delay the RN tree while making premiums and if the community response is strong enough, the RN tree, the second is unlikely fortunately

 

[Historynerd]

I'm not saying it will, but WG might decide to delay the RN tree while making premiums and if the community response is strong enough, the RN tree, the second is unlikely fortunately

 

I doubt that WG will start spouting premiums (and there should be lots of premiums to end up with the Spanish ones, IO think) like you say. Beside, the demand for the RN tree is quite high, so they won't delay it.

 

And by this logic, other trees (like the French or the Italian ones) would be very much more threatened than the British one.

[black_falcon120]

The main problem with WoWs's future nations, is that very few nations were able to reliably construct warships, even the Japanese were forced to get the british to design, and build the Kongo class, and that was in 1910/Tier 5.

[Deamon93]

The main problem with WoWs's future nations, is that very few nations were able to reliably construct warships, even the Japanese were forced to get the british to design, and build the Kongo class, and that was in 1910/Tier 5.

 

Well the big exporters of designs were UK and Italy, too bad both won't show up anytime soon(and Italy is beaten by Russia which was one of her customers ironically enough). Speaking of which i wonder if Tashkent will retain her paint which earned her nickname or if she'll be red like the rest(i hope the former).

[Historynerd]

The main problem with WoWs's future nations, is that very few nations were able to reliably construct warships, even the Japanese were forced to get the british to design, and build the Kongo class, and that was in 1910/Tier 5.

 

Well, the Japanese managed to build and get working their own shipbuilding industry pretty early on, as by the 1920s they were pretty much independent; Russia is more blurred. The USA, the UK, Germany and France were all on their own since at least the late XIXth century, Italy was pretty much independent at the same time of Japan (and before that its dependence was mainly about the weaponry).

[Iron_Gekko]

Looks interesting, thank you for it.

 

Don't want to burst you're bubble though but Spanish navy will properly never happen, I mean, even the Danish and Norwegian Navy played a bigger role in WW2

[Historynerd]

Looks interesting, thank you for it.

 

Don't want to burst you're bubble though but Spanish navy will properly never happen, I mean, even the Danish and Norwegian Navy played a bigger role in WW2

 

...Well, that was pretty much guaranteed, since Spain was neutral in both world wars.

 

Still, it might provide some ships for a mixed tree... it's worth considering some possibilities.

[JapLance]

Looks interesting, thank you for it.

 

Don't want to burst you're bubble though but Spanish navy will properly never happen, I mean, even the Danish and Norwegian Navy played a bigger role in WW2

 

Yet Spanish Navy had much more combat experience than any of those by 1939.

[Iron_Gekko]

 

Yet Spanish Navy had much more combat experience than any of those by 1939.

 

What was the Spanish Navies contribution in WW2?

 

Nothing, maybe some "neutral" recon and territorial control for the Germans.

 

Danish Navy pretty much scuttled itself to deny the Germans their use while the Merchant Navy was split in two, it had one of the largest in the world at the time which ended up being split between the Allies and Axis, Norwegian navy where a little better and actually saw combat before being completely overwhelmed with a few CA's escaping.

 

That's more then the Spanish Navy, sorry but there it is.

 

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to implement the Italian and even the French Navy first.

[JapLance]

 

What was the Spanish Navies contribution in WW2?

 

Nothing, maybe some "neutral" recon and territorial control for the Germans.

 

Danish Navy pretty much scuttled itself to deny the Germans their use while the Merchant Navy was split in two, it had one of the largest in the world at the time which ended up being split between the Allies and Axis, Norwegian navy where a little better and actually saw combat before being completely overwhelmed with a few CA's escaping.

 

That's more then the Spanish Navy, sorry but there it is.

 

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to implement the Italian and even the French Navy first.

 

Ever heard of that "little affair" called Spanish Civil War?

 

Just for your information, this game is not only WW2.

[chamorro]

Looks interesting, thank you for it.

 

Don't want to burst you're bubble though but Spanish navy will properly never happen, I mean, even the Danish and Norwegian Navy played a bigger role in WW2

 

Indeed, the Norwegian Navy played a bigged role (not the Danish tho, since the Goverment, to prevent civilian casualties surrendered fast)

And as Historynerd said, Spain remained neutral, the only thing a spanish vessel did during WWII, was the heavy cruiser Canarias, which sailed in search of Bismarck's survivors after she was sunk (only found two bodies tho)

But remember WoT, we have Tech Trees there from nations which armored forces didn't played an active role in WWII, and even we are getting a neutral nation tech tree (Sweden).

 

And if we take in account the "power scale" of WWII nations' navies:

-USN, RN, IJN, RM, MN, KM, SN are the only ones who clearly have a superior navy

-While Australia and Netherlands for example have pretty similar Navies in "power levels"

Australia was already confirmed to not be in (since, unlike Spain, lacks projects to make full lines), so if we put all the previous navies before Spain, it would make Spain the 9th nation in WoWs, which is a little chance and distant one, but still possible.

 

PS: also, you might not know this, but the Spanish Navy flags are already on the game files

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

What was the Spanish Navies contribution in WW2?

 

Nothing, maybe some "neutral" recon and territorial control for the Germans.

 

Danish Navy pretty much scuttled itself to deny the Germans their use while the Merchant Navy was split in two, it had one of the largest in the world at the time which ended up being split between the Allies and Axis, Norwegian navy where a little better and actually saw combat before being completely overwhelmed with a few CA's escaping.

 

That's more then the Spanish Navy, sorry but there it is.

 

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to implement the Italian and even the French Navy first.

 

He's clearly referring to the civil war, where the Spanish navy fought against itself. Even with Battleships.

[Iron_Gekko]

 

Ever heard of that "little affair" called Spanish Civil War?

 

Just for your information, this game is not only WW2.

 

Spanish Civil war was mostly land and more or less a proxy war as both sides where heavily propped by either fascists and communists for the most part, yes there was a bit of a go between from Span and Morocco. But if you want to compare that to fleet action in WW2 I am afraid it's a bit of a back que.

 

But you're right, it's not just WW2 and I think we'd all love to see Spain for the sake of diversity. I am just saying that you should brace yourself because this is properly, very, very long off.

[Iron_Gekko]

 

Indeed, the Norwegian Navy played a bigged role (not the Danish tho, since the Goverment, to prevent civilian casualties surrendered fast)

And as Historynerd said, Spain remained neutral, the only thing a spanish vessel did during WWII, was the heavy cruiser Canarias, which sailed in search of Bismarck's survivors after she was sunk (only found two bodies tho)

But remember WoT, we have Tech Trees there from nations which armored forces didn't played an active role in WWII, and even we are getting a neutral nation tech tree (Sweden).

 

And if we take in account the "power scale" of WWII nations' navies:

-USN, RN, IJN, RM, MN, KM, SN are the only ones who clearly have a superior navy

-While Australia and Netherlands for example have pretty similar Navies in "power levels"

Australia was already confirmed to not be in (since, unlike Spain, lacks projects to make full lines), so if we put all the previous navies before Spain, it would make Spain the 9th nation in WoWs, which is a little chance and distant one, but still possible.

 

PS: also, you might not know this, but the Spanish Navy flags are already on the game files

 

Sweden actually has some interesting and unique ships, especially the Coastal Defense Battleships for the Baltics, would be interesting.

 

And yes I was being sarcastic when I said the Danish Navy I am well aware of how hopeless it was for them

[Iron_Gekko]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Gustav_V

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige-class_coastal_defence_ship

 

Would love to see the Gustav.

[Historynerd]

 

Spanish Civil war was mostly land and more or less a proxy war as both sides where heavily propped by either fascists and communists for the most part, yes there was a bit of a go between from Span and Morocco. But if you want to compare that to fleet action in WW2 I am afraid it's a bit of a back que.

 

But you're right, it's not just WW2 and I think we'd all love to see Spain for the sake of diversity. I am just saying that you should brace yourself because this is properly, very, very long off.

 

Of course, this is very down the "to-do" list... but there's no damage done in thinking ahead, is there?

 

Besides, in the Spanish Civil War Italy was quite involved also on the naval front... there was an unofficial support in form of Italian submarines that, pretending to be Nationalists, attacked shipping headed for Republican ports (ironically, without much success, it was the first warning bell that the Italian submarine doctrine was not quite adequate).

It was in this context that an Italian submarine attacked and torpedoed a large ship (meaning larger than a destroyer) for the first time, the Republican light cruiser Miguel de Cervantes, by the submarine Torricelli in 1936.