Spanish Tech Tree Proposal

[chamorro]

Well, long time ago, I created a post with some spanish ships, but now is time to get serious and start writing a decent tech tree.

 

-I will be updating the tech tree as I get my hands on new info (next week I will be going to the Naval Archives here in Spain to gather info on projects and prototypes to fill gaps)

-This first post will be for the Tech tree Picture (I know, it is crap, I will try to improve it over time)

-Each ships details and description will be posted along the thread

-Second answer will be reserved for whatever I could need it

-Every (polite and well described) feedback will be welcomed

 

After all this said, lets get to it!

 

 

Obviously, this is a work in progress

 

Comment/Aclarations section

• The Reina Regente model in this proposal is the 1911 ship (not any of the other ones)
• In Blas de Lezo, torpedo tubes are 6 Port and 6 starboard; the MGs are 7mm because they use the 7mm Mauser ammo
• In Reina Victoria Eugenia, the third hull is a "Hypothetical" configuration
• Last hull on Almirante Cervera is a "Hypothetical" AA gun layout supplied by germany or built with license
• The TIII Reina Victoria Eugenia's hull follows its post 1937-38 reconstruction
• The TVI light cruiser project's second hull AA and secondary layout is a "Hypothetical" combination of licensed built weapons and directed imported ones
• The TVI heavy cruiser second hull AA layout is a "Hypothetical" configuration
• Canarias' third hull is the modernized hull and the AA layout is a "Hypothetical" one based on guns Spain already produced or had already bought
• TVIII-X project AA layouts are hypothetical layouts based on possible configurations taking in account guns at the navy's disposal and optimal placement of the guns

[chamorro]

Update Log

 

 

(3/7/2015) - Added TI, Júpiter: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=330826

(3/7/2015) - Added TII cruiser, Reina Regente (1911) http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=330965

(3/7/2015) - Added TIII cruiser,  Blas de Lezo (1922) http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=331114

(4/7/2015) - Added historical description for Júpiter http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=330826

(4/7/2015) - Moved Blas de Lezo to TIV, improved stats in acording with the move http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=331114

(4/7/2015) - Added new TIII cruiser, Reina Victoria Eugenia http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=332070

(4/7/2015) - Added the TV cruiser, Almirante Cervera http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=332301

(4/7/2015) - Added the TVI CL, Proyecto 124A http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=332818

(4/7/2015) - Added the TVI CA, Proyecto 131A http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=333722

(4/7/2015) - Updated tech tree with to-be-added-here ships (in order to not be uploading constantly)

(5/7/2015) - Moved Proyecto 684A to TVIII, filling the gap

(5/7/2015) - added the TVII CA, Canarias http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=334953

(7/7/2015) - added the TVIII CL, Proyecto 684A http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=340989

(7/7/2015) - added dps for all AA guns

(16/7/2015) - added the TIX, Ansaldo CA project http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=370354

(16/7/2015) - added the final cruiser, the TX, Proyecto 138A http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=370462

(28/7/2015) - added the projected destroyer line; pending confirmation on some of the stats of the projects. Anything can be subject to change

(31/8/2015) - added historical description for the TII, Reina Regente, http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=330965

(31/8/2015) - added the first premium ship, TV AA cruiser Méndez Núñez http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?act=findpost&pid=503915

[Orlunu]

Tier	BB	Cruiser	DD
1		Júpiter
2		Reina Regente	Alsedo
3	España
4		Navarra
5	Salamis	Blas de Lezo
6		Almirante Cervera	Churruca
7		Canarais
8	Modified Littorio
9
10		Proyecto 138

 

My rough outline to build it around.  Carriers are disturbing, other than the Canarais conversion, I only ever saw tiny things.

[chamorro]

Lets start with everyone's favourite, the TI !

MINELAYER AND GUNBOAT CLASS, JÚPITER

Historical Info sum up:

In 1934; two new Minelaying boats were authorized, with that number being increased to 4 in 1935. These ships would fulfill the need of modern minelaying ships for the republican government; which lately would be seen its role extended to gunboat due to a similar or more powerful artillery loadout to contemporary spanish destroyers.

With a designed displacement of 2000 tons and a cost of almost 15M "pesetas" per unit; all four of them were to be built in the "SECN-El Ferrol" shipyards. The first two units, Júpiter (Jupiter) and Vulcano (Vulcano) would be commissioned in 1937; while the other two ships, Marte (Mars) and Neptuno (Neptune) were commissioned in 1938 and 1939 respectively.

 

At the begining of the Spanish Civil war, the two first ships, Júpiter and Vulcano, were seized by the Nationalist army and were throughoutly used during the war. Both ships were responsible in the naval blockade in the Cantabrian and Mediterranean seas.

 

-Júpiter: She laid minefields in the vicinity of Santander at 1937; in which the battleship España would later be sunk.  In July the same year, two british merchants tried to run the blockade at the port of Gijón; one of them, the Sarastone, managed to arrive to port, but the other one, the Candleston Castle was captured and interned in the port of El Ferrol. HMS Royal Oak and HMS Basilisk tried to sortie in help of the british merchants, but didn't arrive in time. In August she engaged the destroyer Císcar, without any important conclussion. In October she was escorting the feighters Dover Abbey and Yorkbrook to Ribadebo, when the HMS Resolution tried to rescue the british ships; but Júpiter managed to outrun the Resolution and got the seized vessels into the port. She shelled the port of Burriana, damaging the british merchant Bramhill, anchored at port. In 1940, she went to gather intelligence on british fortifications in Gibraltar in preparation for Operation Félix.

 

-Vulcano: She participed mainly in transport and ferrying missions but was also responsible in some blockade and seizing actions. One of them being the capture of the Soviet ship Katayama. She engaged in combat with the republican destroyer Jose Luis Díez; in which action both ships came as close as 50m from each other. To prevent capture or sinking, the destroyer ran aground in Gibraltar and was interned by the British government. She had secondary roles in the capture of the greek merchant Vistoria and the british one Stangrove.

 

-Marte: Was completed in time to block the entry of the steamer Stanbrook into the port of Alicante.

 

-Neptuno: Was not commissioned until the end of the war.

 

All three ships underwent modernizations after the signing of the Treaty between Spain and the USA; all four of them were decommissioned in the 70s

 

 

Possible stats in the game:

• Survivability:
   HP: 11000 (first hull) 12000 (second hull)

• Artillery:
   -Main:

  4x1 120/45 mm Vickers modelo F guns

                       10.5 rpm, AP dmg: 2000, HE dmg: 2000, Range 9.0 km

  -Secondary:

  2x1 88mm SKC/30  (first hull), range: 1km

  2x2 76.2/40mm Armstrong-Ansaldo DP guns (second hull), range: 2km

• AA
   3x1 20mm C/30 MGs (first hull), range 1.5km, dps: 15

   

  2x2 76.2/40mm Armstrong-Ansaldo DP guns (second hull), range: 3km, dps: 12

  2x1 20mm C/30 MGs (second hull), range 1.5km, dps: 10 [spanish licensed built, Flak C/30; usually mounted on E-Boots and U-Boots]

  3x1 40/39 Vickers-Tenri 1915 (second hull), range 2km, dps:12  [http://www.culturanavale.it/documentazione.php?id=346]

• Manouverability
   Max Speed: 18 Knts

  Turning Circle: 300mm

  Rudder Shift time: 5.5s (first hull) 4.8 (second hull)

[chamorro]

Now, lets continue to TII

CRUISER CLASS, REINA REGENTE (1911)

Historical Info sum up:

Characteristics:

A single ship class of protected cruiser, the Reina Regente was laid down March the 19th 1897, launched September the 20th 1906 and commissioned October the 8th 1910.
She displaced 5781 tons at full load, and the dimensions were: length (110.9m), beam (16m) and draft (4.95m). Protected by a 65mm deck and 100mm conning tower, gun casemates
and barbettes. She was armed with 10 150mm guns, 4 of them in 2 twin turrets and the rest in single gun emplacements, it was the first spanish cruiser to use monocaliber
main guns. The secondary armament was composed of: 2 75mm guns, 12 57mm guns and 8 machine guns. Her maximun speed was 19.5 knots, provided by two Belleville boilers.

 

Service:
In 1911, she sailed to UK, to represent Spain in the coronation of King George V. The same year, she escorted the yatch Giralda, which carried to king Alfonso XIII to
the UK. The second half of 1911, she was destned to North Africa, where she bombarded coastal the rebel "cabilas". In January 1912, she almost sank due to an accident
in the river Kert, after which she was send to Cartagena for repairs. In 1913 she was destined to the Balkans to protect spanish citizens during the turkish-greek war,
she was based in Constantinople during that time. The rest of the year, she was destined again to North Africa. From 1914, she was converted to training cruiser, and
in 1924 she stopped all service due to engines continued malfunctions; she was decommissioned in 1926 and sold for scrap in 1929.

 

          

 

Possible stats in the game:

• Survivability:
   HP: 18000 (first hull) 19000 (second hull)

• Artillery:
   -Main

  6x1 150/50 mm González Rueda guns

  2x2 150/50 mm González Rueda guns

                     6.5 rpm, AP dmg: 2400, HE dmg: 2700, Range 9.0 km (stock GFCS) 10km (upgraded GFCS)

  -Secondary:

  2x1 75mm guns (cannot find the model of the guns, yet) range: 2km

  12x1 57mm Nordenfelt, range: 2km [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_6_pounder_Nordenfelt]

• AA
   nothing (first hull)

   

  8x1 Lewis MGs  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_gun] (second hull), dps: 5

• Manouverability:
    Max Speed: 19.5 Knts

[Karolus_V]

We have a problem with this tree reaching Tier V.

 

Some suggestions:

 

Spanish Tree

Tier I

Cañonero/Torperedo Temerario
Main Battery: 2X120mm 
Secondary Battery:4x57mm
2 Torpedo Tube Launchers (should be very slow and short range)
Speed: 18 knots
571t

Tier II

Destroyer Tier II Alsedo
Main Battery: 3x101,6mm
AA cannon: 2x47mm
4 Torpedo Tube Launchers
Speed:34 knots
1164t

Alsedo Refit:
Main Battery: 2x101,6mm
AA cannon: 1X88mm(secondary battery too?), 4x20mm
4 Torpedo Tube Launchers

 

Tier III

Destroyer Tier III Ceuta Class
Main Battery: 4x120mm
AA;2x76mm, 4 hmg
4 TOrpedo tube launchers (2x2) (450mm)
34knots

 

 

Battleship(Pre-dreadnought) Tier III Pelayo

Main Battery: 2x320mm cannons
          2x280mm cannons

Secondary Battery: 1x160mm cannon
           12x120mm cannon
           5x57mm cannon    
AA: 13x37mm cannon (not originally AA...it was secondary battery too
    4xHMG 
    
Armor:
Belt: 298-450mm
Barbettes: 298-399mm
Deck:70mm
Other:152mm        
10.000t + or -
19knots

 

 

Tier IV

Destroyer Tier IV Churruca
Main Battery: 5x120mm
AA:1x76,2mm, 4 hmg
6(2x3) Torpedo Tube Launchers (533mm)
36 knots
1536t

Battleship Tier IV España Class
Main Battery: 8x305mm (2x4 turrets)
Secondary Battery: 20x101,6mm
AA: 2x76,2mm, 2xHMG
Armor: Main Belt: 203-102mm
Upper Belt:152mm
Barbettes:254mm
Turrets: 203mm
Deck:38mm
Conning Tower:254mm
Bulges: 38mm
16.000t
19.5knots

[chamorro]

Next one! TIII Cruiser Moved to TIV cruiser

CRUISER CLASS, BLAS DE LEZO (1922)

Historical Info sum up

 comming soon™...

 

Possible stats in game

• Survivability:
   HP: 22500(fist hull) 24000 (second hull) 25000 (third hull)

• Artillery:
   -Main:

  6x1 152,4/50 mm Vickers BL 6" Mk.XI [http://Vickers BL 6″ Mk XI]

              7rpm, AP dmg 3000, HE dmg 2100, range 12km (stock GFCS) 13.5km (upgraded GFCS)

  -Secondary:

  4x1 47/50mm Vickers QF 3 Pdr [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_3-pounder_Vickers] (first hull) range: 2.5km

   

   1x1 47/50mm Vickers QF 3 Pdr [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_3-pounder_Vickers] (second hull) range: 2.5km

   

  4x1 76.2/45mm Vickers DP gun (second and third hulls) range: 3km

• Torpedoes:
   4x3 533mm, equpped with 21in Mk. VIII torpedoes (all hulls)

                 range: 6.5km , max dmg 10500, speed: 50 knots, 1 rpm

• AA:
   4x1 7mm Vickers Mk II MGs, range: 1.5 km [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun] (first hull), dps: 2

   4x1 47/50mm Vickers QF 3 Pdr [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_3-pounder_Vickers] (first hull) range: 2.5km, dps: 12

   

   4x1 76.2/45mm Vickers DP gun (second and third hulls) range: 3km, dps: 12

   1x1 47/50mm Vickers QF 3 Pdr [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_3-pounder_Vickers] (second hull) range: 2.5km, dps: 3

   1x1 13.2mm Hotchkiss MG (second hull) range: 1.5km, dps: 1

   

  3x20/70mm Oerlikon guns (third hull) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oerlikon_20_mm_cannon] range: 2.1km, dps: 15

• Manouverability:
   Max speed: 29 knots (first and second hulls) 30 knots (third hull)

[chamorro]

 

 

Temerario: really bad for TI

Alsedo, already on my list (will post it when her time comes)

Ceuta: possibly TIII or possibly not

Pelayo: DEFINITELLY not TIII, massively underpowered (Max TII)

Churruca: further research will tell if it is better for TIV or V

España: TIII material and even at that tier would not be too good

 

PS: there is absolutelly no problem to reach TV, in time, you will see

[chamorro]

Tier	BB	Cruiser	DD
1		Júpiter
2		Reina Regente	Alsedo
3	España
4		Navarra
5	Salamis	Blas de Lezo
6		Almirante Cervera	Churruca
7		Canarais
8	Modified Littorio
9
10		Proyecto 138

 

My rough outline to build it around.  Carriers are disturbing, other than the Canarais conversion, I only ever saw tiny things.

 

Blas the Lezo is too weak to be a TV, most likely you are confusing her to the remodelled Médez Núñez (the second ship in the class, went massive remodelling to convert to AA light cruiser)

Churruca is too weak for TVI, my choice would be TIV-V depending on the torpedo stats

The rest are pretty much fine, maybe some will be changed in my final tech treee

[Orlunu]

Blas the Lezo is too weak to be a TV, most likely you are confusing her to the remodelled Médez Núñez (the second ship in the class, went massive remodelling to convert to AA light cruiser)

 

The remodels are included in the ship class in WoWS, so the most upgraded Blas de Lezo would be the Médez Núñez's final fitting.  I suppose you could break it up, but that'd be a radical change, and would need a lot of justification (i.e. nothing else at all you could put as TIII cruiser; maybe the case, I'm not sure).

[Karolus_V]

 

Temerario: really bad for TI

Liked the name. Torps could be a "compensation"

Alsedo, already on my list (will post it when her time comes)

Ceuta: possibly TIII or possibly not

Pelayo: DEFINITELLY not TIII, massively underpowered (Max TII)

I put it in III because there aren't T2 battleships for now.

Churruca: further research will tell if it is better for TIV or V

I think its better for Tier IV. 

España: TIII material and even at that tier would not be too good

Take into account its shortness and low weight, should be a really tight turning battleship.Not fast, but able to evade torps and long range fire.

 

PS: there is absolutelly no problem to reach TV, in time, you will see

 

 

I am not eager to put even things like the Fletchers for example, because of the date at which La Armada received them. And in many cases they did with modern equipment too removed from the timeframe on the game. One think I hate in WoT are all those korea and later tanks mixed with WW2. 

[Outlawz0111]

I cant wait to play the spanish navy if they do come that will be fun.

[JapLance]

This is how I rated different ship classes in a hypothetical Spanish tree a few weeks ago:

 

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Destructores		Clase Bustamante	Clase Alsedo	Clase Churruca
		Clase Audaz	Huesca/Teruel	Ceuta/Melilla
Cruceros	Clase Júpiter	Reina Regente	Reina V. Eugenia	Clase B. de Lezo	Clase A.Cervera		Canarias
				Navarra	M. Núñez (1944)

 

Nothing higher than tier 7 for real ships. No idea about paper projects (Spanish Littorios and all those dreams).

Perhaps Churrucas could be uptiered to 5.

Navarra and Mendez Nuñez (1944) are meant to be Premiums.

España Class battleships as well (at tier 3), as they are the only dreadnoughts available.

Carriers: I thought about the Canarias conversion project (tier 5) and the Dedalo II (tier 6). What planes would they use? Germans?

 

I don't really think we'll ever see any of these in WoWs, but it's fun anyway .

[chamorro]

 

The remodels are included in the ship class in WoWS, so the most upgraded Blas de Lezo would be the Médez Núñez's final fitting.  I suppose you could break it up, but that'd be a radical change, and would need a lot of justification (i.e. nothing else at all you could put as TIII cruiser; maybe the case, I'm not sure).

 

That is the problem, the difference in armament between one and the other one is enourmus, that is why I was thinking to leave the Blas de Lezo at TIII and make Méndez Núñez a AA premium cruiser in a similar fashion to Atlanta, but down at TV

 

 

 

 

I am not eager to put even things like the Fletchers for example, because of the date at which La Armada received them. And in many cases they did with modern equipment too removed from the timeframe on the game. One think I hate in WoT are all those korea and later tanks mixed with WW2. 

 

A couple of Fletchers and Gearings could cover the gaps in the High tier Tech tree; the versions implemented would be of course those ones before recieveing modern weaponry layout

Regarding Pelayo; the aren't TII BBs yet, they will come, and one of them has already been announced

Regarding España; indeed, the turning speed is quite good, but the armament layout gives her a very weak broadside even at TIII (only 6x305mm on a full broadside; compared to 8x305mm in the Kawachi and South Carolina)

 

This is how I rated different ship classes in a hypothetical Spanish tree a few weeks ago:

 

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Destructores		Clase Bustamante	Clase Alsedo	Clase Churruca
		Clase Audaz	Huesca/Teruel	Ceuta/Melilla
Cruceros	Clase Júpiter	Reina Regente	Reina V. Eugenia	Clase B. de Lezo	Clase A.Cervera		Canarias
				Navarra	M. Núñez (1944)

 

Nothing higher than tier 7 for real ships. No idea about paper projects (Spanish Littorios and all those dreams).

Perhaps Churrucas could be uptiered to 5.

Navarra and Mendez Nuñez (1944) are meant to be Premiums.

España Class battleships as well (at tier 3), as they are the only dreadnoughts available.

Carriers: I thought about the Canarias conversion project (tier 5) and the Dedalo II (tier 6). What planes would they use? Germans?

 

I don't really think we'll ever see any of these in WoWs, but it's fun anyway .

 

Bustamante is too weak for TII; Alsedo would fit much better in that position

Higher than TVII we can get to TX in the destroyer line using real ships (spanish conversion on US-bought ships); the rest, paper ships are needed

Méndez Núñez indeed, a TV premium in a similar role to the Atlanta fits her perfectly

Due to the stronger hull and the faster speed; Canarias conversion is more fitted for TVII while Dédalo stays at TVI (same as Independence); for TVIII the "Spanish Littorio conversion" would be appropiate; as for the rest of the tiers, it is pretty obscure; maybe I'll find something next week in the naval archives.

[Karolus_V]

España Class Battleships could do a full broadside, dont let his strange turret disposition confuse you.

 

[chamorro]

España Class Battleships could do a full broadside, dont let his strange turret disposition confuse you.

 

 

I didn't let the weapon configuration confuse me, the España class BB COULDN'T  make a full broadside of 8 guns, because when in full configuration, the length of the barrels, didn't allow the guns to turn to the opposite side of the ship

Her, strange turret configuration was precisely what didn't let her guns to make a full broadside.

What I said becomes obvious when you look at pictures or plans from the said ships; here I put 2 examples

EDIT: Apparently, I was wrong, I'm still not sure about the full broadside in combat conditions though

 

 

[Bl4ckh0g]

I am interested, Why are you so keen on building a Spanish tech tree? Why don't you try to contact other groups which built/building a tech tree for various smaller naval nations and together build a minor nations tree?

I mean, this is nearly the same as the Swedish tech tree yesterday. Most nations cannot come up with a full tech tree with continuous lines, hell just look at Deamon's Italian fan tree, He's still struggling to find a suitable tier 10 battleship.

I am not saying that what are you doing is bad, or utterly pointless, but wouldn't It be better and more easier to build the tree for small nations?

With Spain, Sweden, the Monarchy, Ottoman Empire/Turkey, Netherlands and Poland I am quite sure you can come up with a wide and pretty colorful tech tree.

 

I am just like, interested.

 

[JapLance]

chamorro, on 04 July 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

 

I didn't let the weapon configuration confuse me, the España class BB COULDN'T  make a full broadside of 8 guns, because when in full configuration, the length of the barrels, didn't allow the guns to turn to the opposite side of the ship

Her, strange turret configuration was precisely what didn't let her guns to make a full broadside.

What I said becomes obvious when you look at pictures or plans from the said ships; here I put 2 examples

 

[chamorro]

I am interested, Why are you so keen on building a Spanish tech tree? Why don't you try to contact other groups which built/building a tech tree for various smaller naval nations and together build a minor nations tree?

I mean, this is nearly the same as the Swedish tech tree yesterday. Most nations cannot come up with a full tech tree with continuous lines, hell just look at Deamon's Italian fan tree, He's still struggling to find a suitable tier 10 battleship.

I am not saying that what are you doing is bad, or utterly pointless, but wouldn't It be better and more easier to build the tree for small nations?

With Spain, Sweden, the Monarchy, Ottoman Empire/Turkey, Netherlands and Poland I am quite sure you can come up with a wide and pretty colorful tech tree.

 

I am just like, interested.

 

 

Well, I made this full tech tree with the intention in mind of keeping all posibilities open; this tech tree could be merged with other nations indeed to make a "multi nation one" with any problems, or just take the parts of the tech tree wanted and use them in the said tech tree.

The point of all this is to make a "possible" tech tree out of the spanish navy; final result however (if ever introduced), would be up to the devs

 

 

I had also read multiple times that España BBs could fire all their guns in a broadside salvo. Looking at the length of the barrels it looks like it couldn't be possible.

 

But...http://vidamaritima.com/2009/02/las-pruebas-de-la-artilleria-del-acorazado-espana/

 

Hmmm, I see... full broadside to port is possible, but, is it to starboard? the turret plecement in comparison with the funnel as far as I remember is slightly different for turrets 2 and 3

Was it tested to starboard aswell?

Nevertheless, is my defeat in the argument (since it can, at least, shoot a full broadside to one side); it stills confuses me, because I saw a España class in full load (the one in the Naval Museum); and the different small gadgets around the funnels do not seem to make possible that broadside when in combat configuration

[JapLance]

 

Hmmm, I see... full broadside to starboard is possible, but, is it to port? the turret plecement in comparison with the funnel as far as I remember is slightly different for turrets 2 and 3

Was it tested to port aswell?

Nevertheless, is my defeat in the argument (since it can, at least, shoot a full broadside to one side); it stills confuses me, because I saw a España class in full load (the one in the Naval Museum); and the different small gadgets around the funnels do not seem to make possible that broadside when in combat configuration

 

Read the quote. It states clearly that the side tested was port. And check the photograph...

[chamorro]

added the new TIII!

CRUISER CLASS, REINA VICTORIA EUGENIA

 

Historical info sum up

Wait for it....

Keep waiting...

 

Possible stats in-game

 

• Survivability:
   HP: 20000 (first hull) 22500 (second hull) 24000 (third hull)

• Artillery:
   -Main:

  6x1 152,4/50 mm Vickers BL 6" Mk.XI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_6_inch_Mk_XI_naval_gun]

               6rpm; AP dmg 3000, HE dmg 2100; range 9km (stock GFCS) 10km (upgraded GFCS)

  -Secondary:

  4x1 88 mm SKC/30 (first and second hulls) range: 3km

   

  2x2 88mm SKC/30 (third hull) range: 3km

• Torpedoes:
   2x3 533mm tubes with 21in Mk.II torpedoes (third hull)

              range:4.8km; max dmg: 6500; speed: 48 knots; 1.2 rpm   

• AA:
   4x1 88 mm SKC/30 (first and second hulls) range: 3km, dps: 12

   4x1 20/77mm Scotti IF guns (first and second hulls) range:1.8km, dps: 20 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannone-Mitragliera_da_20/77_%28Scotti%29]

   

  2x2 88mm SKC/30 (third hull) range: 3km, dps: 12

  6x1 20/70mm Scotti IF guns (third hull) range:1.8km, dps: 30 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannone-Mitragliera_da_20/77_%28Scotti%29]

• Manouveranility:
   Max speed 25 knots (all hulls)

[chamorro]

 

Read the quote. It states clearly that the side tested was port. And check the photograph...

 

Excuse me, I intended to say the opposite; to port is possible, but to starboard, (editted)

 

I was pretty sure I had written port.... (DERP moment)

[JapLance]

 

Excuse me, I intended to say the opposite; to port is possible, but to starboard, (editted)

 

I was pretty sure I had written port.... (DERP moment)

 

Ay!, la edad....

 

OK, I don't know. I guess that if doing it in one side is possible, the other would be too, but no evidence. Anyway... It's just a game! Just make it possible. Worse things have been done for the sake of balance .

[chamorro]

Added the TV cruiser; half way through!

 

LIGHT CRUISER CLASS, ALMIRANTE CERVERA

 

Historical info sum up

 at some point in the future...

 

Possible stats in-game

 

• Survivability:
   HP:25000 (first hull); 27500 (second and third hull)

• Artillery:
  -Main (all hulls)

   3x2 152,4/50 mm Vickers BL 6" Mk.XI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_6_inch_Mk_XI_naval_gun]

   2x1 152,4/50 mm Vickers BL 6" Mk.XI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_6_inch_Mk_XI_naval_gun]

                        7rpm; HE dmg 2200, AP dmg 3100; range: 11.5 (stock GFCS) 12.5 (upgrade GFCS)

   

  -Secondary

  4x1 101,6/45 mm HA Vickers QF 4" Mk.V [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4_inch_Mk_V_naval_gun] (first and second hull) range: 3km

   

  4x2 88/76mm  SKC/32  [http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-76_skc32.htm] (third hull) range: 3km

• Torpedoes:
   4x3 533mm Whitehead W-533 mounts, equipped with 21in Mk.VIII torpedoes (first and second hull)

                       range: 6.5km; dmg: 10500; speed: 50knts; 1rpm

   

  4x3 533mm modified Whitehead W-533 mounts, equipped with G7a T1 torpedoes (third hull)

                       range: 8km; dmg: 9500; speed 58knts; 0.8

• AA:
   4x1 101,6/45 mm HA Vickers QF 4" Mk.V [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4_inch_Mk_V_naval_gun] (first and second hull) range: 3.5km, dps: 8

   8x1 Vickers 7mm guns (first hull) range: 0.9, dps: 4

   2x1 13.2mm Hotchkiss guns (first hull) range: 1.5, dps: 2

   

  2x2 40/56mm Bofors (second hull) range: 2.5km, dps: 18

  4x1 20/70mm Oerlikon (second hull) range: 2.1km, dps: 20

   

  4x2 88/76mm  SKC/32  [http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-76_skc32.htm] (third hull) range: 3km, dps: 32

  4x1 20mm C/30 guns (third hull) range: 1.9km, dps: 20

  6x4 20mm Flak 18 guns (third hull) range: 2.1km, dps: 120

• Manouverability:
   Speed: 34knts

[Deamon93]

We have a problem with this tree reaching Tier V.

 

Some suggestions:

 

Spanish Tree

Tier I

Cañonero/Torperedo Temerario
Main Battery: 2X120mm 
Secondary Battery:4x57mm
2 Torpedo Tube Launchers (should be very slow and short range)
Speed: 18 knots
571t

Tier II

Destroyer Tier II Alsedo
Main Battery: 3x101,6mm
AA cannon: 2x47mm
4 Torpedo Tube Launchers
Speed:34 knots
1164t

Alsedo Refit:
Main Battery: 2x101,6mm
AA cannon: 1X88mm(secondary battery too?), 4x20mm
4 Torpedo Tube Launchers

 

Tier III

Destroyer Tier III Ceuta Class
Main Battery: 4x120mm
AA;2x76mm, 4 hmg
4 TOrpedo tube launchers (2x2) (450mm)
34knots

 

 

Battleship(Pre-dreadnought) Tier III Pelayo

Main Battery: 2x320mm cannons
          2x280mm cannons

Secondary Battery: 1x160mm cannon
           12x120mm cannon
           5x57mm cannon    
AA: 13x37mm cannon (not originally AA...it was secondary battery too
    4xHMG 
    
Armor:
Belt: 298-450mm
Barbettes: 298-399mm
Deck:70mm
Other:152mm        
10.000t + or -
19knots

 

 

Tier IV

Destroyer Tier IV Churruca
Main Battery: 5x120mm
AA:1x76,2mm, 4 hmg
6(2x3) Torpedo Tube Launchers (533mm)
36 knots
1536t

Battleship Tier IV España Class
Main Battery: 8x305mm (2x4 turrets)
Secondary Battery: 20x101,6mm
AA: 2x76,2mm, 2xHMG
Armor: Main Belt: 203-102mm
Upper Belt:152mm
Barbettes:254mm
Turrets: 203mm
Deck:38mm
Conning Tower:254mm
Bulges: 38mm
16.000t
19.5knots

 

Espana is overtiered. She is comparable to the tier III but with the disadvantage of having a strange turret placement(making the full broadside more complicated), less protection and a lighter displacement. At tier IV she would meet something like Wyoming and, most likely(although not anytime soon) Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio as originally constructed. How on earth is she supposed to fight against ships which have twelve of thirteen guns? She would get wrecked in an instant.

 

I am interested, Why are you so keen on building a Spanish tech tree? Why don't you try to contact other groups which built/building a tech tree for various smaller naval nations and together build a minor nations tree?

I mean, this is nearly the same as the Swedish tech tree yesterday. Most nations cannot come up with a full tech tree with continuous lines, hell just look at Deamon's Italian fan tree, He's still struggling to find a suitable tier 10 battleship.

I am not saying that what are you doing is bad, or utterly pointless, but wouldn't It be better and more easier to build the tree for small nations?

With Spain, Sweden, the Monarchy, Ottoman Empire/Turkey, Netherlands and Poland I am quite sure you can come up with a wide and pretty colorful tech tree.

 

I am just like, interested.

 

 

I am interested, Why are you so keen on building a Spanish tech tree? Why don't you try to contact other groups which built/building a tech tree for various smaller naval nations and together build a minor nations tree?

I mean, this is nearly the same as the Swedish tech tree yesterday. Most nations cannot come up with a full tech tree with continuous lines, hell just look at Deamon's Italian fan tree, He's still struggling to find a suitable tier 10 battleship.

I am not saying that what are you doing is bad, or utterly pointless, but wouldn't It be better and more easier to build the tree for small nations?

With Spain, Sweden, the Monarchy, Ottoman Empire/Turkey, Netherlands and Poland I am quite sure you can come up with a wide and pretty colorful tech tree.

 

I am just like, interested.

 

 

Ideally would be better to have lines for each nation inside that big tree, wherever possible of course. Still bringing light to classes which are unknown to most people isn't bad, on the contrary. Maybe WG won't even consider this work but neither mine is safe from that.