Unbalanced teams

[T_mat]

 

At first I was pleasantly surprised to see actually balanced teams, until i realised we were matched against bots.

 

Since starting to play random battles i have not seen even one balanced game.

Every match one team have up to 4 more high tiers then the other and the outcome is always the same: The team with the most high tiers obliterates the other.

And apparently this bad matchmaking comes in streaks, just like in WoT and WoWp.

 

If one thing breaks a game it is unbalance. It creates onesided, boring and frustrating games.

Is it really so hard to even out teams to create a fair match?

 

 

 

 

[Zenith]

Expect WoT match-making, but with ships. I doubt it will change much either. 

[Del_Mare]

dude, we are playing a beta, if you have ideas for possible improvements, make them sound like ideas for possible improvements, not a rant

[YukiEiriKun]

Search is your friend. Many topics about this issue. MM is having a hard time before people spreads more equally on the tech tree branches.

 

After all, this game jus went from closed beta to open beta.

[Aldramelech]

Search is your friend. Many topics about this issue. MM is having a hard time before people spreads more equally on the tech tree branches.

 

After all, this game jus went from closed beta to open beta.

 

Exactly, this will take a couple of weeks to bed in, as more people progress, and in particular, more carriers players appear the MM won't have to get creative to put teams together.

[Major_Bstard]

I can understand some discrepancy as it soaks up the new OB players. But this is hilarious.

[Dangerhamster]

I can understand some discrepancy as it soaks up the new OB players. But this is hilarious.

 

If it makes you feel any better I remember getting into 3 v 3 domination matches during CBT.

[Kirasa]

 

If it makes you feel any better I remember getting into 3 v 3 domination matches during CBT.

 

I had a 2vs2 on Ozean with DDs...

No, that was NO fun.

[rancidpunk]

 

If it makes you feel any better I remember getting into 3 v 3 domination matches during CBT.

 

I loved the one on one in Alpha, T9 CV against a Yamato was amusing in domination mode  

[Del_Mare]

i remember teams with different numbers in players

[Kirasa]

i remember teams with different numbers in players

 

Yeah, that was done when one team had more higher tier players. So two additional player per High Tier difference on the other team.

Max was 4 player difference, which was more or less an indicator which side will win the domination match.

[Major_Bstard]

Just started a battle. Looked at the matchmaking, players quitting.  I'll come back to random when (if) its sorted. I'd be miffed if I'd gone premium before trying.

[Del_Mare]

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close the door behind you and do us a favor: please never ever come back. really, never.

[T_mat]

I already know this unbalanced matchmaking from WoT and do not like it there either, but it is much worse here.

 

A solution will be if players are switched between teams to balance them. In other games I have played that was common.

 

If as an example one team has two tier three destroyers and the other two it is easy and fair to switch a tier two and tier three.

 

 

[Del_Mare]

dude, you played tier 1 and two, how can there even be issues with mm? the ships are all the same

also, maybe your team had a better cruiser? or even a battleship? you tell me you can - without playing anything beside some tier II - evaluate the mm better than the guys designing mm?

and because you think you can you go to the forums to whime about it, while basically everywhere are posts by the moderators, dev team and so on claiming that mm is still worked on, based on the stats we will produce in this open BETA TEST ?

 

my goodness, get out

[T_mat]

dude, you played tier 1 and two, how can there even be issues with mm? the ships are all the same

also, maybe your team had a better cruiser? or even a battleship? you tell me you can - without playing anything beside some tier II - evaluate the mm better than the guys designing mm?

and because you think you can you go to the forums to whime about it, while basically everywhere are posts by the moderators, dev team and so on claiming that mm is still worked on, based on the stats we will produce in this open BETA TEST ?

 

my goodness, get out

So it is a beta test, but if you encounter something that you experience as gamebreaking you cannot mention it?

And it is not possible to see a huge imbalance in tier and vehicle classes if you are just in tier 2?

 

the game might be in beta now, but it is open yet.

One thing that will chase new players away is unbalanced matchmaking, and most will not even be long enough in the game to see the higher tiers, that according to this forums are even worse balanced.

 

What also will chase new players away is a toxic and elitist attitude towards new players, even if you might consider them whiners.

Unless you like empty servers that is.

 

But to comfort you, there is one player less now. Have fun.

[Del_Mare]

well, if that keeps guys like you away, we need way more of it, bye bye

 

for the next game you test and write something in the forums: at first test it. 10 games is not testing, its a subjective snapshot. furthermore make suggestions how to improve the issue you feel needs improvement. and last but not least: when everyone in your thread tells you that your subjective snapshot doesn't mirror the reality, they might have a point ;)

[Zenith]

And so the hostility to new players begins. Congrats. 

[YukiEiriKun]

i remember teams with different numbers in players

 

Hey I had one of those just yesterday! It made me feel warm and fuzzy.

I was in the team that had -2 and then our Kawachi disconnected (or just left, but was just standing still getting shot and torp at until sunk) but still we managed to win.

[Xevious_Red]

Do we have examples? I've seen some stuff I'd call stupid MM (5 tier 6 on one team, all tier 4/5 on the other), but conversely I've seen things people have labelled as "completely unfair" that I thought was pretty balanced, just the ships on each side were different thats all.

[Del_Mare]

psst, don't tell them ;) most of those coming to the forums and talk about this unfair mm are here because they want a scapegoat. and as in wot, if your winrate is low, blame it on the matchmaking ;) rigged, impossible, already won or lost before the game started

 

wg has the stats, and they are interested to keep it as balanced as possible, in their own interest.

[Zenith]

psst, don't tell them ;) most of those coming to the forums and talk about this unfair mm are here because they want a scapegoat. and as in wot, if your winrate is low, blame it on the matchmaking ;)

 

WoT match-making WAS borked, and the only people defending it were those lucky enough to be getting an advantage from that fact. That game would have had double the amount of players, if only they had actually been reasonable with the tier spread, and the allocation of certain classes per team. I can tell you, that every friend I introduced, left the game before reaching T7. Why? Match-making. It's not a coincidence, and it seems that they will be repeating the same mistakes all over again. 

[T_mat]

And so the hostility to new players begins. Congrats. 

 

Thank you.

 

 

WoT match-making WAS borked, and the only people defending it were those lucky enough to be getting an advantage from that fact. That game would have had double the amount of players, if only they had actually been reasonable with the tier spread, and the allocation of certain classes per team. I can tell you, that every friend I introduced, left the game before reaching T7. Why? Match-making. It's not a coincidence, and it seems that they will be repeating the same mistakes all over again. 

 

I am far from new to the Wargaming franchise with over 30000 battles in WoT, over 2000 battles in WoWp (of which 1300 were in CBT and OBT) and some 750 in WoT Blitz.

And they do all have more or less the same imbalance and RNG issues. The only game that does not suffer too much from it is Blitz, because the tier difference is never more then 1 tank and can be overcome by good teamplay.

Unfortunatly I see the same here and it is worse now then in the other games, don't need thousands of battles to recognise the same pattern again.

Not saying anything because other people consider it whining does not help this game become better at all.

 

Coming here to the forums is not to whine about winrate or cry, it is because I really WANT to like this game and I really do hope that this game will be a succes.

I still have all the events from Warplanes in my memory where the game went from very playable and fun at the start of OBT to terribly frustrating because of the imbalance and "RNG" implemented in the release candidate and updates after that.

 

psst, don't tell them ;) most of those coming to the forums and talk about this unfair mm are here because they want a scapegoat. and as in wot, if your winrate is low, blame it on the matchmaking ;) rigged, impossible, already won or lost before the game started

 

wg has the stats, and they are interested to keep it as balanced as possible, in their own interest.

 

You do not even read my post, or other posts before you reply and you falsly accuse me of doing or not doing things I should do and what kind of player I supposedly am. 

You may not realise it, but hostility and toxicity are far more damaging to the game then "all" those whiners.

This game needs players, a lot of players, not a small snobbish elite.

 

And no, Wargaming does not have the interest to keep the game balanced as possible. They should, but they don't.

Wargaming is a bussines. Nothing wrong with that, but their interest has other priorities.

 

But if you have nothing constructive to say or just want to be abusive, please feel free not to reply. 

 

 

[Del_Mare]

You do not even read my post, or other posts before you reply and you falsly accuse me of doing or not doing things I should do and what kind of player I supposedly am. 

You may not realise it, but hostility and toxicity are far more damaging to the game then "all" those whiners.

This game needs players, a lot of players, not a small snobbish elite.

 

And no, Wargaming does not have the interest to keep the game balanced as possible. They should, but they don't.

Wargaming is a bussines. Nothing wrong with that, but their interest has other priorities.

 

But if you have nothing constructive to say or just want to be abusive, please feel free not to reply. 

 

 

didn't even talk to you, but since you felt adressed: so, since you believe that wargaming tries to make the teams imbalanced, tries to scare players away, why do you play it?

 

yes, i agree, this game needs players, but how does filling the forums with this sheer flood of baseless assumptions helps?

 

since we tried to explain to you several times now the reasons for the current imbalance, yet you don't want to even acknowledge one of those explanations, the discussion had ended long ago in this thread. its just you bringing up more and more subjective stuff, balance issues existant or nonexistant in other games, unfounded comparisons and most of all: gut feelings without any support.

 

and you want others to be constructive? you made your point clear: you think its imbalanced, will stay imbalanced and that wargaming wants that imbalance, and nothing we might write would change this, all you want is to convince others from your point of view.

[T_mat]

 

didn't even talk to you, but since you felt adressed: so, since you believe that wargaming tries to make the teams imbalanced, tries to scare players away, why do you play it?

 

yes, i agree, this game needs players, but how does filling the forums with this sheer flood of baseless assumptions helps?

 

since we tried to explain to you several times now the reasons for the current imbalance, yet you don't want to even acknowledge one of those explanations, the discussion had ended long ago in this thread. its just you bringing up more and more subjective stuff, balance issues existant or nonexistant in other games, unfounded comparisons and most of all: gut feelings without any support.

 

and you want others to be constructive? you made your point clear: you think its imbalanced, will stay imbalanced and that wargaming wants that imbalance, and nothing we might write would change this, all you want is to convince others from your point of view.

 

 

You still do not read.

And you still make things up.

Apparently you have a lot of trouble with comprehensive reading, no point in replying to you anymore.

 

Enjoy the game and have a nice day.