Marine Nationale-The French N

[Bl4ckh0g]

This topic is about the French. I rarely see anyone making topic or talking about them, and I think that's a shame.

They have some nice ships, and I'm really looking forward to some of them, like the Dunkerque and Richelieu with their all forward turret arrangements.

What ships are you looking forwards to? How do you think they would perform in the current meta?

 

And please for the love of god no French jokes!  

[JapLance]

The big destroyers series: Jaguar, Aigle, Vauquelin, Fantasque and Mogador.

[Historynerd]

The big destroyers series: Jaguar, Aigle, Vauquelin, Fantasque and Mogador.

 

Should I say I want them too... so I can go hunt them with the Condottieri and the Capitani Romani? 

[Bl4ckh0g]

It's Richy for me.

I mean, one of the thickest armor at her tier, all forward quadruple gun turrets, 30 knots speed, and DP 6" guns? Oh, Boy.

[Historynerd]

It's Richy for me.

I mean, one of the thickest armor at her tier, all forward quadruple gun turrets, 30 knots speed, and DP 6" guns? Oh, Boy.

 

To be fair, it's more like she had the heaviest armor protection in terms of absolute weight and percentage, but for example her thickest belt armor wasn't as thick as Littorio (327 mm vs 350 mm).

 

The all-forward arrangment I'll have to test and see how it works. I'm a bit skeptical: a bit too limitating for me, but as I said I want to see for myself before passing a judgement.

 

Those DP guns were considered failures: low rate of fire, slow rate of train and elevation (sin for all AA mounts, and a sentence to be pretty much useless), and prone to jammings. Some of them were replaced with 100 mm AA guns.

 

Anyway, I'm curious to see how it's going to play out (considering the balancing factors that will have to be put in) between Richelieu and Littorio; they were pretty much expected to fight it out between themselves, after all.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

To be fair, it's more like she had the heaviest armor protection in terms of absolute weight and percentage, but for example her thickest belt armor wasn't as thick as Littorio (327 mm vs 350 mm).

 

The all-forward arrangment I'll have to test and see how it works. I'm a bit skeptical: a bit too limitating for me, but as I said I want to see for myself before passing a judgement.

 

Those DP guns were considered failures: low rate of fire, slow rate of train and elevation (sin for all AA mounts, and a sentence to be pretty much useless), and prone to jammings. Some of them were replaced with 100 mm AA guns.

 

True, but the 12.7 cm DP guns for the Japanese suffered from these things as well, and in the game they largely ignored this. So I think as long as you could fire in a higher degree than 45 in them WG will take'em

 

Armor protection for the Richy will be really good, because when you will fight in her, You will probably sail essentially pointing towards your enemy, to minimize your profile, your armor will bounce a lot of shots that way. But yeah, They will be really situational ships, good for offense, but lacking in defense. I mean, you can sail them traditionally, but retreating with them will be a nightmare.

[Historynerd]

 

True, but the 12.7 cm DP guns for the Japanese suffered from these things as well, and in the game they largely ignored this. So I think as long as you could fire in a higher degree than 45 in them WG will take'em

 

Armor protection for the Richy will be really good, because when you will fight in her, You will probably sail essentially pointing towards your enemy, to minimize your profile, your armor will bounce a lot of shots that way. But yeah, They will be really situational ships, good for offense, but lacking in defense. I mean, you can sail them traditionally, but retreating with them will be a nightmare.

 

Of course; many DP guns and mounts had issues.

 

Another match-up I'd be curious to see would be Dunkerque vs the modernized Cavour/Duilio; another expected match. Although the former were newly built and the latter modernized BBs, their stats weren't that far off, so that would make for an interesting match, I think.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Of course; many DP guns and mounts had issues.

 

Another match-up I'd be curious to see would be Dunkerque vs the modernized Cavour/Duilio; another expected match. Although the former were newly built and the latter modernized BBs, their stats weren't that far off, so that would make for an interesting match, I think.

 

Well, I'd say it depends on the situation. If you have support in the Cavour, in a way that essentially prevents the Dunkerque to go for the offense and rush you down, then I'd say the Cavour has a considerable advantage firepower wise. The Dunkerque could still out run you and engage you from long range, but the Cavour would fare better because of her firepower.

 

One on one though... Well, the Dunkerque could run you down, face you and constantly pepper you, presenting a small target. Your only chance would be to try to knock out her turrets or maybe do the same and try to initiate a close range old school broadside-to-broadside battle.

[Historynerd]

 

Well, I'd say it depends on the situation. If you have support in the Cavour, in a way that essentially prevents the Dunkerque to go for the offense and rush you down, then I'd say the Cavour has a considerable advantage firepower wise. The Dunkerque could still out run you and engage you from long range, but the Cavour would fare better because of her firepower.

 

One on one though... Well, the Dunkerque could run you down, face you and constantly pepper you, presenting a small target. Your only chance would be to try to knock out her turrets or maybe do the same and try to initiate a close range old school broadside-to-broadside battle.

 

Well, we'd have to see how practical it is to keep pointing your nose at the enemy, when the latter is maneuvering. Perhaps when you have to realign yourself the opponent can land some good shots.

 

I think we'll have to wait and see.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Well, we'd have to see how practical it is to keep pointing your nose at the enemy, when the latter is maneuvering. Perhaps when you have to realign yourself the opponent can land some good shots.

 

I think we'll have to wait and see.

 

Yesterday, I finished off 2 full HP Arkansas in my Tenryuu, by straight up charging them dodging their shots and torpedoing them from 3 km in a two on one situation. I had full HP in the beginning and came out with 3,7 k and 72 k torpedo damage.

 

I'd say they would be pretty strong.

[Historynerd]

 

Yesterday, I finished off 2 full HP Arkansas in my Tenryuu, by straight up charging them dodging their shots and torpedoing them from 3 km in a two on one situation. I had full HP in the beginning and came out with 3,7 k and 72 k torpedo damage.

 

I'd say they would be pretty strong.

 

But BBs don't have torpedoes, and aren't as good at dodging. 

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

But BBs don't have torpedoes, and aren't as good at dodging. 

 

Yeah, that's true

But, they have a couple of hundred millimeters more armor than a Japanese age old light cruiser

 

It's a really hard to cause serious damage to a ship which directly points her nose at you, quite a number of your shots will miss, quite a number will bounce off and the rest will do minimal damage, It's greatest drawback is that it makes your turrets vulnerable, but the Richy and Dunky had nice turret armors so they should bounce a few shots before getting knocked out.

And If the enemy wants to fire full salvos at you, He has to show his broadside, which makes him quite a target.

 

Also because of the position of the main armament your salvos will be really tightly packed. So your accuracy should improve a little bit, though this also leaves you fewer space for error in your aiming. 

[Darzok]

I think the reason behind the lack of FN is the fact we know its going to take a year or more to see the Brits or Germans leaving the french most likely not showing up at all till maybe 2017.

 

Now for the basic french coward joke the reason no one care's for the french navy is one shot and the crew jump ship and swim to England to be safe or some thing about how french ships go fast backwards or some thing.

[Bl4ckh0g]

I think the reason behind the lack of FN is the fact we know its going to take a year or more to see the Brits or Germans leaving the french most likely not showing up at all till maybe 2017.

 

Now for the basic french coward joke the reason no one care's for the french navy is one shot and the crew jump ship and swim to England to be safe or some thing about how french ships go fast backwards or some thing.

 

Jokes about the French military are so old even amino-acids told them 4 billion years ago.

 

Of course It's gonna take a while until the French arrive, but If you look at the other navies, nearly all of them has a topic in the GD section. KM, RM, RN, VMF, even the K.u.K.

[aquiles7389]

Yeah, where is the FNS Baguette???

[Bl4ckh0g]

Yeah, where is the FNS Baguette???

 

In a far, far away land where sad jokes go to die

Historynerd, on 01 July 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:

 

True, but the 12.7 cm DP guns for the Japanese suffered from these things as well, and in the game they largely ignored this. So I think as long as you could fire in a higher degree than 45 in them WG will take'em

 

Armor protection for the Richy will be really good, because when you will fight in her, You will probably sail essentially pointing towards your enemy, to minimize your profile, your armor will bounce a lot of shots that way. But yeah, They will be really situational ships, good for offense, but lacking in defense. I mean, you can sail them traditionally, but retreating with them will be a nightmare.

 

Of course; many DP guns and mounts had issues.

 

Another match-up I'd be curious to see would be Dunkerque vs the modernized Cavour/Duilio; another expected match. Although the former were newly built and the latter modernized BBs, their stats weren't that far off, so that would make for an interesting match, I think.

 

It's a little late, but It seems that Dunkerqeu had a more powerful gun by quite a margin, both heavier shells and higher muzzle velocity

[mr3awsome]

So I think as long as you could fire in a higher degree than 45 in them WG will take'em

Thats not actually true, because the Takaos and Mogamis could elevate above 45 and they aren't counted as DP in game.

[Bl4ckh0g]

Thats not actually true, because the Takaos and Mogamis could elevate above 45 and they aren't counted as DP in game.

 

Minor formalities.

 So I think as long as you could fire in a higher degree than 45 and fire at aricraft* in them WG will take'em 

 

 

[Tugnut]

operation catapult

[MassiveDYT]

Sometimes It's easy to forget that French had military in the first place 

 

 

*grabs popcorn*

[Bl4ckh0g]

These French jokes are really funny, because like France actually has and had one of the best military in the world.

Their military history is the most successful in Europe, They won around 60% of the wars they were involved in.

[MassiveDYT]

These French jokes are really funny, because like France actually has and had one of the best military in the world.

Their military history is the most successful in Europe, They won around 60% of the wars they were involved in.

 

And yet, there are no more French people in France

 

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

And yet, there are no more French people in France

 

 

[MassiveDYT]

 

 

[Historynerd]

 

It's a little late, but It seems that Dunkerqeu had a more powerful gun by quite a margin, both heavier shells and higher muzzle velocity

 

True, the French gun is decidedly longer ranged, although at a cost of high dispersions. I know that the 320 mm guns have a similar reputation, but as I said in the Italian tech tree thread I have found evidence that suggests that some of the dispersions, other than the gun's characteristics (coupled with the uneven qualities of the shells), were due to the firing method (in which, to straddle a target more easily, the turrets would purposefully fire very open salvoes by turning the outer turrets slightly left and right relatively to the target indication).

 

In the end, though, I admit that the French guns seem quite better; however, IRL this could have been compensated to a degree by their inferior reliability, not to mention number (8 against 10).