Trade in, new event? Good or bad?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Good way to make the ships more rare and more people will drool for ripoffCrates.

 

Maybe, but who do you think is mostly intended for?

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Maybe, but who do you think is mostly intended for?

The one that sells the crates, should be implicite.

 

edit: personally I don't care, its not me being <insert bad word here> and buying the boxes...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

The one that sells the crates, should be implicite.

 

edit: personally I don't care, its not me being <insert bad word here> and buying the boxes...

 

Well, me neither. I might still trade though, depends.

[Nibenay78]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Well, me neither. I might still trade though, depends.

Same, I have no problem trashing ships I don't use to get ships I might enjoy. But I don't believe a second its for "our benefit" in the big picture :D

in the same way I don't really care about the boxes either since I never buy any, but one can see way WG works that they are shifting the game more and more into something I don't like.

[DFens_666]

33 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Maybe, but who do you think is mostly intended for?

 

My guess would be:

- buy some premium ship

- turns out you dont like that ship

*WG offers shiptrade*

- buy dubs for trade

- trade ship you dont like + the dubs for some other ship

 

maybe?

Could be more likely that people spend a little bit to get a new ship while getting rid of some other.

 

or maybe people buy dubs and get rid of several ships they got 4 free from crates. WG got nothing from those ships. but they might get some money from the dubs the people are buying.

 

[OT2_2]

1 hour ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Can you name that one thing WG has done that is 'absolutely reasonable'?

No I can't, I'm not long enough part of the game or among its members. So I have been assuming what would happen when and used the well known grammatical subjunctive "would". As a matter of fact some people here are not capable of thinking independently as it seems, but they know very well about the applause they might earn when mourning and complaining. I hope that satisfies your curiosity. 

[DFens_666]

4 minutes ago, OT2_2 said:

No I can't, I'm not long enough part of the game or among its members. So I have been assuming what would happen when and used the well known grammatical subjunctive "would". As a matter of fact some people here are not capable of thinking independently as it seems, but they know very well about the applause they might earn when mourning and complaining. I hope that satisfies your curiosity.  

 

Because people who have been around for many years actually know, what type of scams WG usually come up with.

Gotta be honest tho, sometimes people are just stupid and they deserve it if they cant think for 1 minute - then i wont actually blame WG. But some other stuff has been really... questionable to put it nicely.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, OT2_2 said:

No I can't, I'm not long enough part of the game or among its members. So I have been assuming what would happen when and used the well known grammatical subjunctive "would". As a matter of fact some people here are not capable of thinking independently as it seems, but they know very well about the applause they might earn when mourning and complaining. I hope that satisfies your curiosity. 

 

Well, not surprised you can't but thank you for the effort. Many, not all perhaps, here have been around years, some like me may have started out with WoT even before WoWS was released. Not only are we familiar with how practically everything with WG has been declining over the years. We've known this game for years, and while some still say the game's good and healthy, some like me cannot agree with that assessment. I've been here before any of the rework took place, so I have a pretty good idea of what sort of potential the original game concept held, and how it's been squandered over the years.

[Nibenay78]

3 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

No I can't, I'm not long enough part of the game or among its members. So I have been assuming what would happen when and used the well known grammatical subjunctive "would". As a matter of fact some people here are not capable of thinking independently as it seems, but they know very well about the applause they might earn when mourning and complaining. I hope that satisfies your curiosity. 

Just because some enjoys the echo chamber doesn't mean there is no reason for quite a few being annoyed. In 2016-2018 I was so happy WoWs seemingly didn't follow WoTs footsteps with all kind of insanity, then CV rework hit hard..

[Cammo1962]

1 hour ago, Nibenay78 said:

Just because some enjoys the echo chamber doesn't mean there is no reason for quite a few being annoyed. In 2016-2018 I was so happy WoWs seemingly didn't follow WoTs footsteps with all kind of insanity, then CV rework hit hard..

And the PR Dockyard fiasco happened too

[OldPappy]

Any offer from WG is a ripoff.. We all know this! the only question is how and how much!

 

[Ubertron_X]

21 hours ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

Can you name that one thing WG has done that is 'absolutely reasonable'?

 

20 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

No I can't, I'm not long enough part of the game or among its members. So I have been assuming what would happen when and used the well known grammatical subjunctive "would". As a matter of fact some people here are not capable of thinking independently as it seems, but they know very well about the applause they might earn when mourning and complaining. I hope that satisfies your curiosity. 

 

Depending on context I can. For example you once had the chance to receive up to 9 special ships (ARP colab; 1x tier VIII, 4x tier VII, 4x tier V) just by playing the game that later on have even been converted to full premium status. However take even this example with a grain of salt as it stems from the early days of WoWs where clearly the focus was on attracting new customers, not on milking the existing ones.

 

The problem with this "absolutely reasonable" versus the actions taken by WG lately is the increasing amount of monetisation that has happend over the last couple of years and the ways this monetisation is taking place. For example most players would not mind paying 40 or even 60 Euro for a new premium ship the can buy directly from the store, even if this is as expensive as other games, even triple A titles. And everybody does understand that a game needs to make money. What people are fed up with is gambling events that include loot boxes and/or several different ingame currencies which not only makes things overly complicated but also makes it a lot harder for most people to gauge the real price-performance relationship. Many games and WoWs among them have simply lost the art of the fair deal. Combine this with a chain of decisions that are clearly driven by a desire to up the price of the product by adding mostly deterimental extras (gameplay wise) instead of trying to up prices by improving the quality of the core product and you will know why many of us old fnords do complain.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

12 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

 

Depending on context I can. For example you once had the chance to receive up to 9 special ships (ARP colab; 1x tier VIII, 4x tier VII, 4x tier V) just by playing the game that later on have even been converted to full premium status. However take even this example with a grain of salt as it stems from the early days of WoWs where clearly the focus was on attracting new customers, not on milking the existing ones.

 

The problem with this "absolutely reasonable" versus the actions taken by WG lately is the increasing amount of monetisation that has happend over the last couple of years and the ways this monetisation is taking place. For example most players would not mind paying 40 or even 60 Euro for a new premium ship the can buy directly from the store, even if this is as expensive as other games, even triple A titles. And everybody does understand that a game needs to make money. What people are fed up with is gambling events that include loot boxes and/or several different ingame currencies which not only makes things overly complicated but also makes it a lot harder for most people to gauge the real price-performance relationship. Many games and WoWs among them have simply lost the art of the fair deal. Combine this with a chain of decisions that are clearly driven by a desire to up the price of the product by adding mostly deterimental extras (gameplay wise) instead of trying to up prices by improving the quality of the core product and you will know why many of us old fnords do complain.

 

When we started playing this game WoWS was a legit Wargaming project game economy included. At some point they had a little bit of a corporate culture change internally, and what we are now playing should be called WoWS^MZ due to the game economy and monetization models having been, how should I delicately put it, 'maladjusted' by Scu.... I mean by MachineZone.

[Gnirf]

23 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

 

Depending on context I can. For example you once had the chance to receive up to 9 special ships (ARP colab; 1x tier VIII, 4x tier VII, 4x tier V) just by playing the game that later on have even been converted to full premium status. However take even this example with a grain of salt as it stems from the early days of WoWs where clearly the focus was on attracting new customers, not on milking the existing ones.

 

The problem with this "absolutely reasonable" versus the actions taken by WG lately is the increasing amount of monetisation that has happend over the last couple of years and the ways this monetisation is taking place. For example most players would not mind paying 40 or even 60 Euro for a new premium ship the can buy directly from the store, even if this is as expensive as other games, even triple A titles. And everybody does understand that a game needs to make money. What people are fed up with is gambling events that include loot boxes and/or several different ingame currencies which not only makes things overly complicated but also makes it a lot harder for most people to gauge the real price-performance relationship. Many games and WoWs among them have simply lost the art of the fair deal. Combine this with a chain of decisions that are clearly driven by a desire to up the price of the product by adding mostly deterimental extras (gameplay wise) instead of trying to up prices by improving the quality of the core product and you will know why many of us old fnords do complain.

therelies a lot in this. And the prizes are also considering the large number of ships out there too high, especially older premiums. 

Many of us also buys douboons with coupons and themn use coupons so is the same ship quite a lot more afflordable.

 

Prizes have always been high for ex. a T8 ship, but earlier they were at least sometimes decent discounts.

Also when there are so many premium ships one of the few things that I buy (christmas crates) are very good if you have almost everything (like me) but more prone to get cheap T5/6 premiums if you are not 

 

A lootbox where 4 out of 200 are good is just not interesting.

 

Also say a Distant Voyager container - Say that there was a chance of taking one camo of your choice the value for the player would have been much higher.                                                              

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

let us trade multiple ships for one ship. And I'm ready to trade my whole tier 2,3,4 premium and special ship fleet for a tier 8 or 9 ship.

 

Reasons:

-Nobody plays lower tiers anymore. It's mostly bots.(It has to be a good thing for the future of the game right? right? lmao)

-You cannot participate in missions with these tiers

-They removed flag rewards long time ago.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 7 Stunden, ARE_YOU_HUMAN sagte:

let us trade multiple ships for one ship. And I'm ready to trade my whole tier 2,3,4 premium and special ship fleet for a tier 8 or 9 ship.

 I would prefer the opposite. Give me an Iwaki, Arkansas, Kamikaze... I hope WG introduce player-to-player ship trading at some point.

Vor 7 Stunden, ARE_YOU_HUMAN sagte:

-Nobody plays lower tiers anymore. It's mostly bots.(It has to be a good thing for the future of the game right? right? lmao)

Even if this was correct (and often enough it is not), the state of the thoroughly mutilated and dumbed down playerbase makes having bots on your team an actual improvement, at least from my PoV.

Vor 7 Stunden, ARE_YOU_HUMAN sagte:

-You cannot participate in missions with these tiers

Well, you have to decide for yourself if you want to be a mission-grinding slave or a player trying to find an enjoyable niche without all the freakish and disruptive stuff which WG presses into the game.

 

[Pedro_McCloud]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

 I would prefer the opposite. Give me an Iwaki, Arkansas, Kamikaze... I hope WG introduce player-to-player ship trading at some point.

Even if this was correct (and often enough it is not), the state of the thoroughly mutilated and dumbed down playerbase makes having bots on your team an actual improvement, at least from my PoV.

Well, you have to decide for yourself if you want to be a mission-grinding slave or a player trying to find an enjoyable niche without all the freakish and disruptive stuff which WG presses into the game.

 

This. 
 

The only ships I’m missing are the Nikolai, iwaki and arkansas. I have all the other rates and specials. 

[RazorBlade72]

It only says that you can exchange certain rare or impossible to get ships for other ships. Nothing about the ability to obtain super rare or impossible to obtain ships. Sure, I would be willing to give up some rare ships that I don’t play, but that can be obtained from Christmas containers, for some ships that are otherwise impossible to obtain.  That would be a great deal however that is not what I read in this blog. What I read is that you can exchange super rare ships for getting ships that you can now get in the armory already. Why would I do that? 

[FloatingTarget]

Is it Wargaming?

 

Then yes, it's a ripoff.

[Dongi_2018]

Cant imagine any worthwhile way to make this work for us players..

 

WG will most likely block the route “ turn in coal ship” for a doubloon only ship. And even if that is the case I have plenty coal ships to unlock plus the coal ships I do have are by my choice and thus wanted. If possible with reasonable conversion I would trade a coal ship for the 2 missing T6 ships just for clearing a low tier bracket to force future Santa and SC containers to drop higher tiers. But this would be a more strategic choice / gamble then based on playing ships you like.

 

Only way I could see this work is you have gained a premium ship through an event or rng drop and it’s really bad or a class that you dislike. And you are able to trade it without cash needed for a ship 1/2 tiers lower. I have almost 90% of the regular T5-T7 ships and very few of the T8 ( this week extremely lucky drops of both Gascogne and Le Terrible added a bit). 
 

Even if I decide to trade in my Gascogne / Le Terrible: Looking at the lower tier Scharnhorst might be the only out of 5 remaining lower tiers that I would like to have. Being somehow useful at fe scenarios. But definitely not trading 1 T8 for a T7 when additional funding is required. Same for trading 2 T8 for a T8 I want to have ( and that is regular available). For sure i would trade Gascogne one for one for many T8’s. Maybe even for a cruiser ( as BB’s are more expensive in doubloons) but expecting WG to offer this kind of a deal…

[Ymustihaveaname]

36 minutes ago, Dongi_2018 said:

Cant imagine any worthwhile way to make this work for us players..

I feel it might well be if you have say a class you dont like, yes I fully expect the trade to be also in WGs advantage as well, but I might well be willing to trade off a T8s dubs only CV so long as I got a significantly larger discount that the coupon gives on dubs ships? I have a Hornet with 8 total games (I only have 84 total CV games on wows numbers in random & ranked.....) for example that I have little need for, but would want significantly more than the coupon discount on a new dubs ship, or it's not worth it. If I could trade it out for a T6 DD with no dubs or a T8 getting say 50% of price back I would think it was maybe well worth it?

 

Hornet is 12300 a 50% if they did that back say would be 6150 at that price I might be happy to get, Warspite for 6800 adding in the last few dubs myself or go for Monaghan at 4900 for free?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I'd wait till we see the exact rules of the event. If it's identical to what I've seen in WoT, then it will be a no go as far as I'm concerned. If I feel like getting rid of some of the unnecessary premiums, I'll get a better deal by just selling them for credits.

[Ymustihaveaname]

10 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

I'd wait till we see the exact rules of the event. If it's identical to what I've seen in WoT, then it will be a no go as far as I'm concerned. If I feel like getting rid of some of the unnecessary premiums, I'll get a better deal by just selling them for credits.

I think the big thing with all events is to think before doing them and read them, with this one you are going to need to look at what ships you have and what the deal is and think how it applies to your fleet and if it's worth it to you.

I think sitting down with a coffee and pen and paper or spreadsheet for 15 minutes and working out whats ships and how much you can trade them for is well worth it, at the end of day it's a one time opportunity being offered it may be worth taking or it may not.... you need to list you ship and what they are worth and that will be different for each player as how good you are in them, what else you have and what modes you play will change the value you place on them.... I for example bought Hood & Somers from that recent events and many of the events are well worth doing even if they are expensive they are one time deals, but you should think first if they fit want you want.

[MementoMori_6030]

It remains to be seen if the offer will be at least better than selling ships for credits. After checking my side accounts for premium and special ships, it's surprising how many free stuff you were able to accumulate from events and free containers when the game was still decent and WG were caring for their players to stay. I paid money for exactly one ship on that list (Vampire🖤):

 

2x Grosser Kurfürst, 1x Scharnhorst, 4x Admiral Graf Spee, 1x König Albert, 1x Missouri, 1x West Virginia '41, 4x Oklahoma, 3x Marblehead, 2x Hill, 1x Hood, 1x London, 1x Gallant, 1x Agincourt, 1x Champagne, 1x Aigle, 2x Blyskawica, 1x Poltava, 3x Makarov, 1x Okyabrskaya Revolutsiya, 2x Kirov, 2x Mikoyan, 1x Murmansk, 1x Krasny Krym, 1x Irian, 4x Anshan, 2x Genova, 1x Nueve de Julio, 1x Juruá, 1x Rio de Janeiro, 1x Ishizuchi, 1x Yubari, 1x Mikasa, 1x Tachibana, 1x Vampire

[DFens_666]

14 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

After checking my side accounts for premium and special ships, it's surprising how many free stuff you were able to accumulate from events and free containers when the game was still decent and WG were caring for their players to stay. I paid money for exactly one ship on that list (Vampire🖤):

 

I think i got more ships later than when ive started playing. I remember in like 2016-2017 when we had weekly missions and you could get a T3-4-5 premium ship which was mostly locked behind a skill barrier (like getting 2500 baseXP in one battle). I think thats how i got Marblehead back in the day.

Then like 18-19 when they started with freeXP/Coal/Steel ships it started to accelerate. And for some reason since last Xmas ive gotten 6 ships out of containers, even tho i play very little and dont grind anything/do any missions (Agincourt, Ark Royal, Chkalov, Bajie, Bearn and Gascogne).

 

But i agree, over the years, you could accumulate tons of ships by just playing.

I dont even know how many premiums/freemiums i have, wows numbers shows me 71 but even there are some missing (Incomparable, Austin, Bajie). And i only supplemented money to get the Cossack back when it was released