Russian ships protected?

[RamboCras]

Hi,

 

I was just in my Massachusetts (not the best guns) at 6km from a Russian tier IX BB almost broadside. I aimed my front 2 turrets under his turrets and from the 6 shells I had zero hits. When I turned to try my back turret, I had 1 ricochet.

 

I know RNG is a factor but to have 8 shells completely miss from 6km is like setting RNG to 85% which WG wont of course. Assuming I can aim after 22k games and RNG not being ridiculously high, there must be a second factor on the receiving ship that influences being hit by incoming shells.

 

For some reason that is set high for Russian ships. Which is surprising since the Russian Navy has quite a bad track record in naval battles.

 

I understand the need for RNG (or everyone would be shooting citadels at any distance) but at 6KM, in my tier 8, surviving several salvo's getting in secondary range and closer, you can't protect a Russian BB like that giving broadside just because it is Russian??

[Wulf_Ace]

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[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 25 Minuten, RamboCras sagte:

I was just in my Massachusetts (not the best guns) at 6km from a Russian tier IX BB almost broadside.

You see, comrade, Massachusetts exists and thus is subject to the laws of physics. Russian/Soviet battleships in WoWs above T4/T5 never existed and thus can defy those laws of physics.

[DFens_666]

Id probably put my bet on somewhat of an aimbug.

If you aim really low at close distances while being fully zoomed in, shells tend to go all in the water. Workaround is to zoom at least one tick out (preferably more the closer you get).

But replay would help ofc.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730481261680001035/1124714414084464660/Wows_Tirpitz_has_turtleback.mp4

 

just happen to have a clip from the brawl last week. As you can see, i zoom out a lot when being close and shells go where i want them to. If you stay fully zoomed in they usually just go anywhere for some weird reason.

[COPlUM]

1 hour ago, RamboCras said:

you can't protect a Russian BB like that giving broadside just because it is Russian??

Says who?


On a more serious note, you missed or were unlucky, Russians have citadels, unlike st.vincent which does not have a citadel, does not have an armor belt either because there is no belt, the entire ship is submerged, there are 2 pixels to shoot on st.vincent. The model of st.vincent is so stupid nobody can really complain about the model of any other BB anymore with a straight face.

Submarine st. vincent is dumber than Petro ever was by a lot

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, RamboCras said:

Hi,

 

I was just in my Massachusetts (not the best guns) at 6km from a Russian tier IX BB almost broadside. I aimed my front 2 turrets under his turrets and from the 6 shells I had zero hits. When I turned to try my back turret, I had 1 ricochet.

 

I know RNG is a factor but to have 8 shells completely miss from 6km is like setting RNG to 85% which WG wont of course. Assuming I can aim after 22k games and RNG not being ridiculously high, there must be a second factor on the receiving ship that influences being hit by incoming shells.

 

For some reason that is set high for Russian ships. Which is surprising since the Russian Navy has quite a bad track record in naval battles.

 

I understand the need for RNG (or everyone would be shooting citadels at any distance) but at 6KM, in my tier 8, surviving several salvo's getting in secondary range and closer, you can't protect a Russian BB like that giving broadside just because it is Russian??

So you want to tell us that you never missed at 6km befor in 22k matches?

You must be a lucky guy 

[OT2_2]

3 hours ago, RamboCras said:

Hi,

 

I was just in my Massachusetts (not the best guns) at 6km from a Russian tier IX BB almost broadside. I aimed my front 2 turrets under his turrets and from the 6 shells I had zero hits. When I turned to try my back turret, I had 1 ricochet.

 

I know RNG is a factor but to have 8 shells completely miss from 6km is like setting RNG to 85% which WG wont of course. Assuming I can aim after 22k games and RNG not being ridiculously high, there must be a second factor on the receiving ship that influences being hit by incoming shells.

 

For some reason that is set high for Russian ships. Which is surprising since the Russian Navy has quite a bad track record in naval battles.

 

I understand the need for RNG (or everyone would be shooting citadels at any distance) but at 6KM, in my tier 8, surviving several salvo's getting in secondary range and closer, you can't protect a Russian BB like that giving broadside just because it is Russian??

French ships protected? Yesterday I had a  beached TX Bourgogne fully broadside at 5,3 km distance, and my Moskva didn't manage to make anything as about 1500 HP pr. salvo with so called Soviet bias guns and Soviet bias AP. After 4 four salvos I had done less than 10 k dm ... I'm I complaining? No, because this happens to everyone in a while. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, OT2_2 said:

French ships protected? Yesterday I had a  beached TX Bourgogne fully broadside at 5,3 km distance, and my Moskva didn't manage to make anything as about 1500 HP pr. salvo with so called Soviet bias guns and Soviet bias AP. After 4 four salvos I had done less than 10 k dm ... I'm I complaining? No, because this happens to everyone in a while. 

if you can't damage a Bourgogne with moskva from that distance with AP for at least 6k+ per salvo you are doing something wrong.

Don't aim waterline. Aim middle of the armored belt. Every shot will hit guaranteed for full pens

[Karasu_Browarszky]

15 minutes ago, Yosha_AtaIante said:

if you can't damage a Bourgogne with moskva from that distance with AP for at least 6k+ per salvo you are doing something wrong.

Don't aim waterline. Aim middle of the armored belt. Every shot will hit guaranteed for full pens

 

I thought we have been advised to specifically aim at the waterline.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

37 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

I thought we have been advised to specifically aim at the waterline.

That advice is highly misleading and wrong. It causes shells to fall short very often. Always aim higher than waterline and you will hit citadels much more consistently trust me.

[DFens_666]

47 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

I thought we have been advised to specifically aim at the waterline.

 

Depends what you are ofc.

Not sure if any cruiser could really citadel a Bourgogne. Stalin has the pen, but might get hold back by its shorter fuse AP (not sure, just throwing it out here) because french citadel is below waterlevel. French BB cit weakness is at the turrets.

Most cruiser guns are small enough to pen at 32mm of armor even if its flat broadside. Only the bigger ones (like Kronshtadt) would likely overpen at the upper belt. If you are good you alternate between bow/stern/upper belt for maximum yield due to saturation.

 

 

as you can see here i first shot the bow. Later stern and superstructure as the bow got saturated (also from the torps). Sure i could have also shot the upper belt like 2-3 times but its intense enough as it is

[DFens_666]

16 minutes ago, Yosha_AtaIante said:

That advice is highly misleading and wrong. It causes shells to fall short very often. Always aim higher than waterline and you will hit citadels much more consistently trust me.

 

I somehow feel that, over the years, aiming really low at the waterline doesnt get good results anymore. Aiming a bit higher gets more cits.

In b4 WG adjusted the aim correction because noobs dont aim waterline

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Depends what you are ofc.

Not sure if any cruiser could really citadel a Bourgogne. Stalin has the pen, but might get hold back by its shorter fuse AP (not sure, just throwing it out here) because french citadel is below waterlevel. French BB cit weakness is at the turrets.

Most cruiser guns are small enough to pen at 32mm of armor even if its flat broadside. Only the bigger ones (like Kronshtadt) would likely overpen at the upper belt. If you are good you alternate between bow/stern/upper belt for maximum yield due to saturation.

 

 

as you can see here i first shot the bow. Later stern and superstructure as the bow got saturated (also from the torps). Sure i could have also shot the upper belt like 2-3 times but its intense enough as it is

 

You almost sunk that island there, also you apparently sunk a cruiser off screen somewhere too. The situation is something I might find myself in coop, but in the randoms (if I played those for real any more), or in operations the range would be at least several klicks,  upwards to 17 km and above.

[OT2_2]

1 hour ago, Yosha_AtaIante said:

if you can't damage a Bourgogne with moskva from that distance with AP for at least 6k+ per salvo you are doing something wrong.

Don't aim waterline. Aim middle of the armored belt. Every shot will hit guaranteed for full pens

I did precisely the way you suggest, but nothing happened at least very little. I was quite astonished too. :-)

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

You almost sunk that island there, also you apparently sunk a cruiser off screen somewhere too.

 

Natural citadel protection best protection

yeah the Stalingrad was pushing from behind so i launched half the torps into him and kept the other half for the Kremlin.

 

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The situation is something I might find myself in coop, but in the randoms (if I played those for real any more), or in operations the range would be at least several klicks,  upwards to 17 km and above.

 

Was a 3v3 Brawl from many years ago.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Was a 3v3 Brawl from many years ago.

 

I usually only take part in 12v12 Brawl. Allows for greater distance and better pacing, unless I eff up.