Colossus OP AF

[Mrs_Ragdoll]

Totally balanced right?

Enjoy the game guys! let's have fun, right? just dodge.... right? maybe teleporting is a better idea, back to the couch and watch a good movie instead of this having to put up with this crap.

I thought new ships are tested before they are released to the live server, right?  (crying internally). Killing cruisers who are full HP with 1 rocket strike easy is just normal, no biggie.

I'm glad cruisers in general weren't the weakest class already any way.

 

 

 

[dommo77]

I had a close encounter with 56% wr player in her, he/she went for our Chkalov first and took more than half of her HP in one attack (rocket planes), then it was my turn and in one attack I lost nearly half of my HP (in Perth, my mistake really, I didn't angle, thought I was close enough to the island to prevent approach), after that next attack finished off Chkalov, and after 2 or 3 mins I noticed another attack of rocket planes on Akizuki that took more than half of it's HP. I did not watch till the end, I was dead quickly. Certainly capable in the right hands. Is it a hype to drive the sales, and in some time Colossus will get a 'nerf bat' treatment? 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Why you ask. Quick buck thats why.

 

There will be plenty of muppets throwing 70 euros to get her.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Looking forward to see how WG will solve this one....

WGs protected class getting oneshot on droves?

 

WG patented sledgehammer response: NERF THE CULPRIT!!! 

 

Dev: But sir, we're not allowed to nerf CVs!

 

WG: then....BUFF CVs!!

 

Oh wait....

[invicta2012]

2 hours ago, Mrs_Ragdoll said:

Totally balanced right?

Did you get to the bit where Mountbatten goes through the negatives? The AP rockets are powerful but any angled cruiser will not take citadels. The ship's hull is weak, it's almost unarmoured. The HP pool is low. It can't defend itself against an opposing CV's attacks (and an enemy Colossus can one-shot you). The other plane classes are mediocre. It's one trick pony... the AP rockets are a little better than German CVs, everything else is worse. 

[Yedwy]

That thign is an ops cv

[Nov_A]

1 hour ago, dommo77 said:

Certainly capable in the right hands. Is it a hype to drive the sales, and in some time Colossus will get a 'nerf bat' treatment? 

Could be, but judging by past examples that recieved nerfs or changes, the options range from higher RNG reliance to pulling from sales, because WG does not really know what they are doing, which is also evident in how whacky premium CVs are in general, not only compared to their tech-tree or national identity, but also their concepts and mechanics, often going in directions that one could assume they are used as test beds for the adaptation/solution of the entire class.

 

That is too much of a discussion at the moment but personally I dont think Colossus will be changed, because her gimmick is too reliant on outside factors, harder to pull off and more difficult to sustain than the opposing concept of Aquila, which does not seem to be that desirable/popular among CV players overall anyways. Even Monte Batoni has realized this and that the rest of Colossus drops hard compared to any other CV, once the most ideal, favourable situation has passed or is not even present.

 

Time will tell, she is certainly good for Coop, OPs or sniping though.

[invicta2012]

10 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

more difficult to sustain than the opposing concept of Aquila, which does not seem to be that desirable/popular among CV players overall anyways.

WG is running out of CVs to do, and it's running out of ideas for the class.

 

Smaller CVs, like Colossus, with one good attack type, served in so many navies during the 50s, and can be churned out as local interest Premiums indefinitely.  

 

Aquila is a decent enough ship but it's difficult to see why you would choose it over established Tier VIII CVs with better reserves, like Kaga. I suspect I would feel that way about Colossus, too.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Imagine getting hit on your broadside by AP rockets.

[Port_Authority]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

The AP rockets are powerful but any angled cruiser will not take citadels.

 

Imagine a Slava that can jump  to a crossfire position when it wants, shoot, and magically warp back. Your mitigation strategy is to "just angle". Good luck with that.

 

18 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

 

Aquila is a decent enough ship but it's difficult to see why you would choose it over established Tier VIII CVs with better reserves, like Kaga. I suspect I would feel that way about Colossus, too.

 

The issue here is that average bog standard CV is overpowered. It can spot and create crossfires on demand. This is a most powerful tool in meta.

So when you give them specialization you make them god tier against a surface class and just less OP against others.

 

In meta where average win rate is sub 48% and average player isn't skillful at all, you're giving easy ways to rack up damage regardless of losing the game impact. Average player doesn't even know what game impact is. It's not a good game design where one CV can make a cruisers life miserable just by point and click, in the end losing the game control and being one shot himself. That's just toxic for everyone.

 

 

 

[Wulf_Ace]

So he hit AFK player who didnt even move. WOW its OP really.

 

[invicta2012]

36 minutes ago, Port_Authority said:

Imagine a Slava that can jump  to a crossfire position when it wants, shoot, and magically warp back. Your mitigation strategy is to "just angle". Good luck with that.

Nope. I know because I've played German CVs a lot, and they have very similar rocket mechanics. If you get caught broadside in a cruiser you will get hammered but turning in/angling works (as Mountbatten mentions), and that doesn't always mean giving someone else a broadside.

 

40 minutes ago, Port_Authority said:

The issue here is that average bog standard CV is overpowered. It can spot and create crossfires on demand. This is a most powerful tool in meta.

So when you give them specialization you make them god tier against a surface class and just less OP against others.

The spotting problem exists regardless of what CV has been released because all CVs do it well, and something like Kaga continues to be the most popular because it always has planes in the air (something harder to manage in Aquila or Colossus).   With specialist attacks, all that happens is that the class affected by the new release has to take a little time to adjust. There won't be a Colossus in every game, it'll be 1 in 5 even when the ship is new and fashionable. Once that period is over, everyone knows what to do / not to do and it's back to normal. 

[Port_Authority]

52 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Nope. I know because I've played German CVs a lot, and they have very similar rocket mechanics. If you get caught broadside in a cruiser you will get hammered but turning in/angling works (as Mountbatten mentions), and that doesn't always mean giving someone else a broadside.. 

 

"Get caught" implies something like torpedoes or shells which can't correct course unlike German T10 rocket planes which have no problems setting up a citadel strike even at evasive maneuvers. Cruisers aren't that nimble. And they do have cheeks.

 

https://youtu.be/NscF7ktyMvM?t=106

 

So, over open water, not a surprise strike, Salem starts angling in immediately. Watch his minimap movement. That's an immediate full turn to port as soon as the squad was spotted.

 

 

[imoenbg1]

So basically you are quoting Mountbatten (which is not the best source at all  mind you) into how this thing is OP??

 

It is not more OP than Chkalov, Kaga, hell even Pobeda.

 

I do not see your righteous anger against these....

 

Basically nothing has changed. And the consensus among CV mains is she is ...situational......

 

There are much worse things out there.

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, Port_Authority said:

So, over open water, not a surprise strike, Salem starts angling in immediately. Watch his minimap movement. That's an immediate full turn to port as soon as the squad was spotted.

 

I don't think the Salem knows much about German rocket planes. On all three occasions it turns late. Good shooting from the CV, though - this is a skilled player. The Minotaur kill at 4:34 is a heck of a shot.  Considering the wait time on the German CV reticle, the fact it goes very wonky over islands, and that the Minotaur goes unspotted just before he takes the shot, I have to say that's one of the best I've ever seen. 

 

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

13 minutes ago, imoenbg1 said:

So basically you are quoting Mountbatten (which is not the best source at all  mind you) into how this thing is OP??

 

Not the best source, how can that be? I mean he has all those amazing clickbait titles, and a new video every day, he must be amazing, right? 

[SurfaceFish]

You could read the review from an excellent CV player than listen to an average at best CV player like Mountbatten.

 

 

[lup3s]

And another clickbait SLM video 

 

I had the Colossus a couple of times on the enemy team yesterday; it was barely a threat imo. And in 2 of those games I was in a CA (Gorizia / Canarias).

 

You guys realise you can angle against AP rockets, almost nullifying the damage you take ? 

[K82J]

3 minutes ago, lup3s said:

And another clickbait SLM video 

 

Yup. After watching a few of his vids long ago , he was very soon " never to be recommended again ".

[Nov_A]

1 hour ago, SurfaceFish said:

You could read the review from an excellent CV player than listen to an average at best CV player like Mountbatten.

ok cool but can he do it on EU

[SurfaceFish]

5 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

ok cool but can he do it on EU

Watched some of his steams on Twitch before. I don’t see why not, most EU players are no better or worse than other servers. 

[Lootboxer]

It's a click bait guy that has a video claiming Naki and Malta as top 2 out of 5 most OP ships in a game.

[tocqueville8]

I've tried dropping Seattles with my Aquila in a training room, and the best I could do was 15k a pop 

[Ronchabale]

Sea Lord Mustbatethem wouldnt have been so obnoxious if he had his head up on his neck instead of rammed up his a_us

His know best about everything attitude gets real irritating after a while

[Dampfboot]

What's special about Colossus' torpedo bombers? Why are they especially effective against DDs like he writes?