[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #1 Posted April 10 Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match 20230410_145842_PGSC518-Mainz_54_Faroe.wowsreplay But muh muh Wr and muh mh stats and whatnot lmao.... Yeah get lost... 1 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #2 Posted April 10 Just now, Andrewbassg said: Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match 20230410_145842_PGSC518-Mainz_54_Faroe.wowsreplay But muh muh Wr and muh mh stats and whatnot lmao.... Yeah get lost... Be careful, the mad cow disease was diagnosed again in Europe... 2 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #3 Posted April 10 no u 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,267 battles Report post #4 Posted April 10 3 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match 20230410_145842_PGSC518-Mainz_54_Faroe.wowsreplay But muh muh Wr and muh mh stats and whatnot lmao.... Yeah get lost... You do know that sometimes people just have a bad game?:P 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #5 Posted April 10 20 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said: You do know that sometimes people just have a bad game?:P If you watch the replay you will see how elementary and reetarded his mistake was. Soo much playing for the win...:) 23 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Be careful, the mad cow disease was diagnosed again in Europe... Oh I know a better one :). Big is your zoo, oh Lord and lots of the inhabitants jumped the fence ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] MrWastee Players 4,255 posts 33,573 battles Report post #6 Posted April 10 dear audience, lemme translate: dear diary, today i met a better player than me who, in this case this single time, had a worse battle than me and in my eyes was responsible for my team losing. i will take this as set evidence for my thesis that everyone better than me by stats actually not plays better than me but just got more luck. as there's no way that this particular player would have been below my very own performance otherwise, as his stats clearly show he must play superior to me under any circumstances and in any match. therefore wr overall must be a mood figure without any significance. i'm a genius. see u... nah, tomorrow^^.... so much things to type.................... ... Spoiler *on a funnote: we're talking a musa player with 2k+ matches on musa, thus representative stats on that particular ship..... by a player who only got 1 ship above 1k matches, thus practically slightly a single ship with represetative stats ^^... 24 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,267 battles Report post #7 Posted April 10 8 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: you will see how elementary and reetarded his mistake was. Soo much playing for the win...:) ofc you didnt make stupid rateraded move ever. in any ship and in any game you didnt make move like ooo that was stupid sorry? never. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #8 Posted April 10 16 minutes ago, MrWastee said: today i met a better player than me who, in this case this single time, had a worse battle than me made a bigger mistake than his ship and in my eyes factually also objectively was responsible for my team losing. i will take this as set evidence for my thesis that everyone better than me by stats actually not plays better than me but just got more luck.while stats are an indicator, they are under no circumstance are absolute and those possesing good stats are not empowered by them to posess a monopoly to talk about the game, nor them are superior beings. Fixed for ya. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] MrWastee Players 4,255 posts 33,573 battles Report post #9 Posted April 10 1 minute ago, Andrewbassg said: Fixed for ya. aha.... all i now can see is an inferiority complex though ^^.... 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MOYAI] brodie007 Players 25 posts 10,676 battles Report post #10 Posted April 10 WR means nothing, keep up the good work officer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #11 Posted April 10 Anyone with purple numbers got there by cheating. People on the forum have mountains of evidence to prove it. Well, they say they do so we must take their words a gospel. 5 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #12 Posted April 10 56 minutes ago, MrWastee said: aha.... all i now can see is an inferiority complex though ^^.... Oh you don't wanna go down that route Noice contradiction tho with the earlier suggestion :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #13 Posted April 10 15 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said: Anyone with purple numbers got there by cheating. People on the forum have mountains of evidence to prove it. Well, they say they do so we must take their words a gospel. You know full well that I didn't said nor even suggested that. One has nothing to do with the other. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #14 Posted April 10 1 hour ago, Tanaka_15 said: ofc you didnt make stupid rateraded move ever. in any ship and in any game you didnt make move like ooo that was stupid sorry? never. Of course I did :). Just not that big. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #15 Posted April 10 1 hour ago, MrWastee said: Reveal hidden contents *on a funnote: we're talking a musa player with 2k+ matches on musa, thus representative stats on that particular ship..... by a player who only got 1 ship above 1k matches, thus practically slightly a single ship with represetative stats ^^... Btw the mistake he did not only undermines your point but makes it outright hilariously off. GG WP.:) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #16 Posted April 10 57 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said: You know full well that I didn't said nor even suggested that. One has nothing to do with the other. I wasn't quoting you, sorry if it looked that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #17 Posted April 10 I don't see the point of this thread (other than 'frustration'). Everyone sees what could be referred to as insanely idiotic play by one or more players on ones team that induces pulling one's own hair. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,868 battles Report post #18 Posted April 10 > MM is rigged, it stacks all good players on one side > winning is impossible, MM hates me > look at this 1 player who is supposedly good but had a bad game With a team of these, on average 55%, but all playing as it did this one round ... how exactly can MM "rig" a game in your favour ? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #19 Posted April 10 ME PRES BUTONNE AND WIN 75% 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-DFD-] Psychological_Warfare [-DFD-] Alpha Tester 784 posts 17,553 battles Report post #20 Posted April 10 3 hours ago, Andrewbassg said: Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match 20230410_145842_PGSC518-Mainz_54_Faroe.wowsreplay But muh muh Wr and muh mh stats and whatnot lmao.... Yeah get lost... No really good player takes just WR into consideration - its a combination of stats that show if a player is good at the game - or not. What you did here is take a SINGLE match as an example to try to undermine the meaningfulness of stats - and that is just both factually wrong and also shows you have no clue about what you say. Can a seemingly above average player in his Musashi not have a bad game? Also, what you showed us is not enough to make a solid statement if this player is actually above average or not. His WR is, yes, but are that his solo stats/2man/3man division? What about other ships and ship classes? Maybe he can just play a few selected ships and is terrible on other cause he maybe is bad at situational and/or map awareness. What you have demonstrated here is that you whine about stats and simultaneously show that you have no clue about the stats and how to use them. Fail. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #21 Posted April 10 27 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said: I don't see the point of this thread (other than 'frustration'). Everyone sees what could be referred to as insanely idiotic play by one or more players on ones team that induces pulling one's own hair. Thanks to our Great Garghong every discussion and thread become utterly mingled with this discussion. it seemed sensible to have a "dedicated" thread, instead of being all over da place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #22 Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, Psychological_Warfare said: No really good player takes just WR into consideration - its a combination of stats that show if a player is good at the game - or not. That's true. However I don't care about stats 5 minutes ago, Psychological_Warfare said: What you did here is take a SINGLE match as an example to try to undermine the meaningfulness of stats - and that is just both factually wrong and also shows you have no clue about what you say. No. What I did here is to point out that stats, while an indicator, are not telling the whole story and using them as a sort of weapon (and also an ego booster) is thorougly and utterly wrong. Granted, truly good players rarely use them this way. Hence it wasn't aimed at them. 10 minutes ago, Psychological_Warfare said: Can a seemingly above average player in his Musashi not have a bad game? No, because he didn't had a "bad game". Bad game is when at the 5 mins mark your team is already down significantly in number of ships and there is not much one can do. What he did was T5 play and even so a sloppy one. At best. 15 minutes ago, Psychological_Warfare said: Also, what you showed us is not enough to make a solid statement if this player is actually above average or not. His WR is, yes, but are that his solo stats/2man/3man division? What about other ships and ship classes? Maybe he can just play a few selected ships and is terrible on other cause he maybe is bad at situational and/or map awareness. Well you can download the replay and check it out, obvioulsy i cant give out his name . Otherwise, that's his ranked stats. 18 minutes ago, Psychological_Warfare said: What you have demonstrated here is that you whine about stats and simultaneously show that you have no clue about the stats and how to use them. Fail. No. I have no problem with people, based on their stats. But i have a problem with people pretending that stats give them all sorts of (quite imaginary) rights, other then well deserved respect.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #23 Posted April 10 38 minutes ago, Nov_A said: ME PRES BUTONNE AND WIN 75% You should play Cv's. Oh wait..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunleader Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,710 posts 13,400 battles Report post #24 Posted April 10 4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said: Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match 20230410_145842_PGSC518-Mainz_54_Faroe.wowsreplay But muh muh Wr and muh mh stats and whatnot lmao.... Yeah get lost... Good Players mess up less often and do good things more often. That does not mean they never mess up or always contribute greatly to a Victory. Winrate merely gives You a Chance of how likely it is they will do Good instead of messing up. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Saltface Players 2,062 posts 18,457 battles Report post #25 Posted April 10 4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said: Look at that Musa with 20k battles who cost us the match Look at the Mainz that contributed to losing the match. Game opening: The Mainz abandons her flank and role to protect the DD. The Mainz abandoned the spawn flank and the Jutland. Instead of creating an equal powered east flank that could contest and/or defend the far cap she wondered off to do God knows what Ah yes! to become shark bait before the 4th minute of the game. Game opening step two: The Mainz decides to go to the worst position she could go (Image 1). Result she trades with the Cherburg and both become first blood. This was a dumb move. A Musashi with a Sejong are more than capable to get the Home Cap and defend it. Even if the red team had three ships on that flank, the combination of a Sejong and a Musashi could hold anything back (very hard to push a bow in Musashi which is supported by a low concealment torpedo spammer like Sejong - no DD on that side - Sejong outspotted everything) and the east flank would have ship superiority and a Mainz to support the DD. Due to the Mainz booboo, the Red team had 4 ships over 3 on the east flank and a DD with a good hydro. Naturally you lose the Jutland you abandoned and the whole flank collapses. And now for the end game. The Sejong smokes up in front of a destroyer and a radar ship, eats a torp in smoke and gets waxed by the Alaska. The Alaska also killed the Nebraska that thought she is a CV with guns and not a BB with planes. The Alaska knew where to shoot the Musashi. The Musashi did not lose the one to one. The Alaska won it. The Musashi stayed back, the Alaska moved out, went bow in for a drive by (Musashi turrets cant follow such a close drive by) and got the Musashi on the weak spots. Look at the first salvo on the Musashi's cheek (Image 2). Look at the second and third shot aft (Image 3). All calculated and well placed. Also, look how the Alaska faints a drive by from the starboard of the Musashi turning his rear turret to starboard and then changing course and sailing by the port side (Image 4). That way he rear turret never came in the game for a shot to kill the Alaska. Look where the turrets are in Images 2 and 3. All in all I will not say you lost the game for your team, but you contributed. The Alaska won the game for the red team. The Musashi is a far better player than you. Could he play better? Yes. He could continue to reverse and his sides would not be open for a drive by and he could have time for one more shot that could have ended the game in Green favor. But, that was his mistake compared to your mistakes that were bigger. And I find it very bad taste to come to the forum to call out another player , who is a lot better than you, just to justify your failures the same way you purport to be convinced that results and rankings and stats do not show a player's quality. Either you are ignorant and can't even read a game, you have no understanding of cause and effect and how they differ from causality, or you are a bad character. Choice is yours. Image 1: your very bad positioning that made you first blood on your team before the 4th minute of the game Image 2: Alaska penning the Musashi on the port cheek. Good salvo. Look at the damage he did. If I took the snapshot a few frames later you would see that he took even more HP Image 3: The Coup de Gras Image 4: The Faint (look at the turrets) 18 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
