Illinois tier 9 BB with 9 sec reload

[lafeel]

17 hours ago, farko1 said:

46,000-48,000Research Points

That makes her a nope for me. There are better things to spend your research points on (imho)

[BlackYeti]

Hm I just remembered that IFHE is only 2 points for BBs, not that it makes much difference for 203s but still...

[Redcap375]

They are really going for it, they need to keep the RB alive and suck up your coins.

 

This looks like a good ship by the way. Fast damage control, 203 mm auto bounce, semi hidden cit, good shells that can deal with a lot of things, Heal. But it's gonna struggle against other BB's unless it goes on a burn spree in which cruisers could do a better job?

 

But yeah, something different at least, even though it will probably be another HE spammer. 

 

A tanky Des taking up a BB slot but without the radar.

 

 

[Fediuld]

2 hours ago, BlackYeti said:

Hm I just remembered that IFHE is only 2 points for BBs, not that it makes much difference for 203s but still...

With 7.9s reload you go for DE to set fires with the 15% change. IFHE only if you go for secondary build as the secondaries have only 21mm pen. 

[ollonborre]

11 hours ago, Fediuld said:

With 7.9s reload you go for DE to set fires with the 15% change. IFHE only if you go for secondary build as the secondaries have only 21mm pen. 

And tbh a secondary build in its current form might not be ideal. At least according to data mining sites, the Illinois have the same dispersion pattern as the Montana/Iowa. That is to say not good even when fully improved. And the base 21 mm pen is also not brilliant if you don't have any improved accuracy.

 

Offcourse this might change, but if it doesn't then just going for a full reload gun focused build is the way to go IMO.

[fumtu]

Illinois secondaries were nerfed so secondary spec is completely pointless. Just go full gun build

 

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American battleship Illinois, Tier IX

 

Main battery reload time reduced: 10 to 9 s.

Main battery shell dispersion reduced by 17%

HP reduced: 81,100 to 68,100

Reload time of secondary armament guns increased: 4 to 6 s.

 

Secondary battery shell dispersion increased to the standard value for Tier IX battleships 

By increasing the accuracy and reducing the reload time of the ship’s main battery, we can better highlight one of its most unique features: rapid-firing, numerous, and small caliber guns. To prevent these changes from making the ship excessively efficient, we’ve reduced Illinois’ HP pool.

The ship’s improved secondary armament did not give the ship any noticeable advantage during testing, and rarely came into play even when fully upgraded. Therefore, its settings were changed to the standard parameters of Tier IX battleships.

 

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

And tbh a secondary build in its current form might not be ideal. At least according to data mining sites, the Illinois have the same dispersion pattern as the Montana/Iowa. That is to say not good even when fully improved. And the base 21 mm pen is also not brilliant if you don't have any improved accuracy.

 

Offcourse this might change, but if it doesn't then just going for a full reload gun focused build is the way to go IMO.

I only go for secondary builds on battleships having torps and worthy secondaries.

 

[SurfaceFish]

So any guess when she will be make available, this patch or next patch?

[Lootboxer]

On 3/2/2023 at 9:11 AM, KillStealBoss said:

It's a medium range BB, most effective at 14-15km. Base range is like Salem range mod, about 18km which is fine for me. 

I am not talking about ppl like you, I am talking about average WoWs player using all the range he can get with a range mod.

Mid range she will be Ok probably at least will not have to hide as much as cruisers do.

[Dongi_2018]

Best BB…for missions that require x- amount of BB main gun hits.

[koliber_1984]

I will definitely get it, just waiting for next RP multiplier. Only options left for me are Gibraltar and Hector, so it's obvious choice. 4th T9 premium American BB here I go!

[Litigo]

On 3/1/2023 at 11:24 PM, farko1 said:

shouldnt BB have better reload then cruiser. They have bigger space, better conditions ...

Not only that, but because the BB hull is larger and inherently more stable,  the mainmast is higher, and the radar/range finders are further apart, guns mounted on a BB should have significantly BETTER dispersion at range than the same guns mounted on a cruiser hull. 

However, in game, the exact opposite is true, because...... reasons.

 

[Port_Authority]

Hot opinion : Whether RB ship is worthwhile should not include feasibility for average players as primary parameter of discussion. RB is not meant for average players. To come to T10 then regrind it twice-thice during 6 or 9 months is definitely not average material. Yes WG allows potatoes to reach these resources by dumping $ in the game, but that's not the main use case.

With that in mind, I think this is going to be a very fun premium. It is different but not underpowered or highly situational. Really something I want now, something that can open new tactics in the game. And this is the first spamming battleship in the game, realized out of a good battleship hull and good cruiser guns.

By data shown on shiptool its dispersion is insignificantly worse than Alaskas, with a clear worse sigma by 0.3, and 30% more shells than it.
If the real dispersion curve isn't heavily altered (the shiptool only shows data @ max range), the volleys should be satisfactory. 3 more shells for -0.3 sigma is a good tradeoff.

You also have 30deg firing angles aft and fore. At a very precise angling you can fire 12 guns and have autobounce against most of BB shells

[Siagor]

2 hours ago, Port_Authority said:

By data shown on shiptool its dispersion is insignificantly worse than Alaskas, with a clear worse sigma by 0.3, and 30% more shells than it.

How does Alaska shoot? Noticeably worse dispersion than DM/Salem?

(don't have her)

[VedranSeaWolf359]

AS CA/CL lover I will finally get CA guns on BB hull I only I am sad because she isn't tier X 

[Miscommunication_dept]

5 hours ago, VedranSeaWolf359 said:

AS CA/CL lover I will finally get CA guns on BB hull I only I am sad because she isn't tier X 

I feel the same. It has just had a nerf to HP, would be nice if they undid that, gave the ship better reload or cruiser dispersion and put it on tier ten.

 

 

[Yedwy]

I only know one thing, when these things start to flood randoms I am rolling out my good ol Musashi ^^

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

22 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I only know one thing, when these things start to flood randoms I am rolling out my good ol Musashi ^^

Met one the other day while playing Vermin aka Vermont. It's actually quite resilient, at a distance (and he kept the distance). On the other hand, at long ranges, the vermin is too agile for its floaty shells. Mushi? Don't know, I'm guessing you'll get the short end of the stick...

[Yedwy]

48 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Mushi? Don't know, I'm guessing you'll get the short end of the stick...

Oh somehow I doubt that, really

 

Hint:

Overmatch is a bi*ch ^^

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

31 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Overmatch is a bi*ch ^^

What is it that Mushi can overmatch that the 457 of the vermin can't? Does it have the Riga deck plating?

 

Edit: Brainfart. Is Illinois clad in 32mm?

[Yedwy]

19 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

What is it that Mushi can overmatch that the 457 of the vermin can't? Does it have the Riga deck plating?

 

Edit: Brainfart. Is Illinois clad in 32mm?

Well its a us BB shoild have 32 or 38 mm deck and 32 mm extremities and with reduced HP pool a 15k 32mm overmatchin AP shell slaming into it will hurt a lot, unless she has some hidden plate like Slava ohboi

[KillStealBoss]

21 hours ago, koliber_1984 said:

I will definitely get it, just waiting for next RP multiplier. Only options left for me are Gibraltar and Hector, so it's obvious choice. 4th T9 premium American BB here I go!

Yeah I have a lot of RB. I think it'll be available in 2 patches from now. So maybe on May? And I assume it'll cost about 50k RB. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Well its a us BB shoild have 32 or 38 mm deck and 32 mm extremities and with reduced HP pool a 15k 32mm overmatchin AP shell slaming into it will hurt a lot, unless she has some hidden plate like Slava ohboi

Shouldnt it have a 38mm case mate?

 

bow and stern will hurt though!

[Hades_warrior]

On 3/2/2023 at 5:45 PM, lafeel said:

That makes her a nope for me. There are better things to spend your research points on (imho)

I don't use those points on anything nor farm them. I still have around 10k which was by default when that feature started. Not gonna start farm them now, nor in future because that is time waste for me. And big time consuming.

I really hate RBP feature.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

because that is time waste for me. And big time consuming.

Sane people use free exp, just saying. There are enough guides here in the forum on how to optimize the gain.

The ships available through the research bureau are some of the most fun and intriguing you can get in the game and I believe you're missing out.

But then, I clearly see too many Gibraltars lately anyway.