Hood '42

[Shamelessmercenary]

So I just got my hands on the Renown '44, and she is a lovely ship that kind of makes up for how terrible the other historical ships like the Tiger, the Renown '16, the King George, and the Duke of York all are,

 

and it made me think that maybe WeeGee could throw a little extra love at the Empire and and give us a ship based on the refit and modernisation the Hood never got rather than all the Magical Imaginary ships that populate the British tech trees above T6?

 

Is this something any fellow historical ship collectors might like?

[lovelacebeer]

I would love to see a refitted Hood added to the game. 
 

I came across the following proposed ideas for potential refits based off of Director of Naval Constructors notes 1939.

 

 

[Wulf_Ace]

6 hours ago, Shamelessmercenary said:

 

 

Is this something any fellow historical ship collectors might like?

Let him stay on the bed of the ocean where Bismarck put him.

 

 

[Kruzenstern]

I would endorse this. They could actually make it a secondary-spec ship like the Massachusetts to spice things up a bit.

[invicta2012]

6 hours ago, Shamelessmercenary said:

and it made me think that maybe WeeGee could throw a little extra love at the Empire and and give us a ship based on the refit and modernisation the Hood never got rather than all the Magical Imaginary ships that populate the British tech trees above T6?

 

2 minutes ago, Kruzenstern said:

I would endorse this. They could actually make it a secondary-spec ship like the Massachusetts to spice things up a bit.

The problem is... Hood '42 is not a big step up from what we already have. She wouldn't have Renown '44's secondaries... they would either be 6 x 4.5" twins (rather like the Tier VI Renown) or 8 x 5.25" turrets (which is essentially Vanguard).  If you want a secondary Royal Navy battleship then it needs to be something post Vanguard (reflecting the abandonment of the 5.25" turrets for the 4.5" MK VI seen on Daring et al). 

[SurfaceFish]

Maybe make her AA great again?

[Miscommunication_dept]

4 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Maybe make her AA great again?

I miss her 2400% DefAA and short fuse.

She was at least interesting before!

[NewHorizons_1]

28 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Maybe make her AA great again?

* Sad Atlanta noises *

[MrWastee]

it will come. simply coz she's in already, thus all the fuzz about adding her is sorted. and if there's been "alternative" steps planned to upgrade any ship which already is in, it's the good bet to say: they'll come at some point.

2cts

 

*on top, we all know the RN crowd wants to see the fictional "unblapable"

[lovelacebeer]

Probably not a popular idea but if you wanted a somewhere different feel of play style well: 

 

Do you guys remember the old AP Hood used to have, which armed much faster (great for hunting cruisers).

Also with Hood ‘42 you could give her back her torps similar to the new RN battlecruisers. 

 

[Kruzenstern]

2 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

The problem is... Hood '42 is not a big step up from what we already have. She wouldn't have Renown '44's secondaries... they would either be 6 x 4.5" twins (rather like the Tier VI Renown) or 8 x 5.25" turrets (which is essentially Vanguard).  If you want a secondary Royal Navy battleship then it needs to be something post Vanguard (reflecting the abandonment of the 5.25" turrets for the 4.5" MK VI seen on Daring et al). 

 

Well, it's not like WG can't tinker. Massas secondaries are crap per se, they are only good on Massa. The Hood '42 (or why not even Hood '44) could get the same treatment. Also with Hoods sheer size, they could certainly squeeze in 12*5.25" twins or 16 4.5" twins without butchering the appearance, even if the historical designs had only 8/10.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

* Sad Atlanta noises *

* Sad surface ship noises *

[SurfaceFish]

Careful what you wish for, WG might give her the Strasbourg treatment. Add a gimmick and uptier her to face T10 ships. 

 

I think the Hood is good enough as it is, good speed, reload and turret rotation. 

 

Does she have better AP bounce angle?

[Sink_Different]

6 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

I would love to see a refitted Hood added to the game. 
 

I came across the following proposed ideas for potential refits based off of Director of Naval Constructors notes 1939.

 

 

You put back in one piece?

[DreadArchangel]

6 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Let him stay on the bed of the ocean where Bismarck put him.

 

 

So speaks a muppet.

[NewHorizons_1]

49 minutes ago, DreadArchangel said:

So speaks a muppet.

It was kinda a pointless post.

By the same token, how many Axis ships survived WWII?

Wouldn't be much left of the German, Italian nor IJN lines if those that were sunk IRL were removed from the game.

[Verblonde]

58 minutes ago, DreadArchangel said:

So speaks a muppet.

I tend to just ignore anyone who apparently doesn't know that British ships are 'she/her'...

[Redcap375]

16 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

Probably not a popular idea but if you wanted a somewhere different feel of play style well: 

 

Do you guys remember the old AP Hood used to have, which armed much faster (great for hunting cruisers).

 

Loved it, played two games after the change and not took it out since. 

 

Went from cits to overpens in one night. 

 

Destroyed the ship for me (and the AA which is now a joke) 

[Shamelessmercenary]

18 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

 

The problem is... Hood '42 is not a big step up from what we already have. She wouldn't have Renown '44's secondaries... they would either be 6 x 4.5" twins (rather like the Tier VI Renown) or 8 x 5.25" turrets (which is essentially Vanguard).  If you want a secondary Royal Navy battleship then it needs to be something post Vanguard (reflecting the abandonment of the 5.25" turrets for the 4.5" MK VI seen on Daring et al). 

I'm not really interested from filling some imagined slot from a gameplay perspective, just having a decent mid/high tier ship that isn't a bizarre total fantasy conjured up to match the Yamato. All of the current ships have post-launch upgrades that are more realistic than the imaginary ships. Hell, Scharnhost is the PRE-upgrade version of the Gneisnau, and Gneisnau clearly should be in the german battlecruiser line rather than the battleship line. But the thing is, this is a game, WeeGee could throw in a new Hood hull with better armour and I would buy it, just like I bought the Warspite, and the Dido.... and while we are at it, I could not throw my bottlecaps hard enough at an HMS Ulyssees radar cruiser, because my love of battleships predates this game by 30 years.

[Shamelessmercenary]

19 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Let him stay on the bed of the ocean where Bismarck put him.

 

 

Along with the Bismarck? And have the Tirpiz do nothing but be a dedicated AA ship? Fine by me :-)

[Gnirf]

Excellent idea, make her a T8 with MRB. For a sec specced RN BB some kind of N3 variant as they have 6 inch guns are better used I think. Or some Vickers design like the Atlantico.

[BrusilovX]

23 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Let him stay on the bed of the ocean where Bismarck put him.

British ships are always referred to a she as far as I am aware.  I know the Germans use he though and I presume other countries do also.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

18 minutes ago, BrusilovX said:

I know the Germans use he though

Nah, it's femminine grammatical gender, too.

 

On 2/24/2023 at 2:17 AM, Shamelessmercenary said:

a ship based on the refit and modernisation the Hood never got

Maybe as a submarine?

 

Seriously, I'm not aware of any ships which have been sunk with fantasy updates in the game. If it's a new paper ship, there would be little to disagree, WG pulls these out of nowhere like I pull on toilet paper - but at heart, Hood was an ancient battlecruiser, so nothing that would have been planned new.

[invicta2012]

14 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

but at heart, Hood was an ancient battlecruiser, so nothing that would have been planned new.

Well, it doesn't have to be Hood. She was very much the test bed for post-Jutland battleship design and her construction was a stop-go affair filled with changes and re-starts, which made her a rather compromised design.

 

5 hours ago, Shamelessmercenary said:

I'm not really interested from filling some imagined slot from a gameplay perspective, just having a decent mid/high tier ship that isn't a bizarre total fantasy conjured up to match the Yamato. All of the current ships have post-launch upgrades that are more realistic than the imaginary ships. Hell, Scharnhost is the PRE-upgrade version of the Gneisnau, and Gneisnau clearly should be in the german battlecruiser line rather than the battleship line. But the thing is, this is a game, WeeGee could throw in a new Hood hull with better armour and I would buy it, just like I bought the Warspite, and the Dido.... and while we are at it, I could not throw my bottlecaps hard enough at an HMS Ulyssees radar cruiser, because my love of battleships predates this game by 30 years.

That's the problem, though. Almost all of those the super-BB designs were conjured up by nations who didn't have to get their ships through things like the Panama or Suez canals, or who weren't (like the Japanese) able to spend 30% of their GDP on naval construction, and who didn't have the need to spread their forces as widely as the British did. The RN seemed to need to split whatever tonnage they had available into three ships, when everyone else did it in two. 

 

WG *have* done a pretty good job of using actual designs in the RN BC line, but I do wish they'd sit down and look at the *actual* designs for the Lion class rather than the weird Conqueror versions they've cooked up themselves. 

 

As regards Hood '42... I'd like a proper Admiral class, preserving the 5.5 / 140mm casemated guns and a smattering of 4 inch AA guns on the main deck. Short fuse AP and 1/6 HE pen on the main guns, as Hood originally had, 1/4 HE pen on the mid-tier secondaries, 5s reload and decent range. Perhaps a little more belt armour, and a slightly lower speed (30kts)... comfortable gunnery at mid-range, capable secondaries - with enough speed to reposition as needed. 

[NewHorizons_1]

4 hours ago, Gnirf said:

Excellent idea, make her a T8 with MRB

Well at least Cunningham's enhanced consumable skill would be of some use for a change.