That sweet spot in this game.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Edit:  But thats a good point.

 

Yeah... a good point but would make for a boring forum, though.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

52 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

Yeah... a good point but would make for a boring forum, though.

But I really don't wish for every thread being bollocked by his inane ramblings...

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

I literally just proved [...]

I'm not into the intellectual aequivalent of masturbating with a cheesegrater. There is no gain.

 

4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Edit:  But thats a good point.

Then act accordingly.

[Andrewbassg]

2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I'm not into

Sounds like it is related to private life. However it is quite a bit of a TOS violation, but me being a good sport, I didn't quoted you. Hence you can.edit. Which I warmly recommend.

Still i have to contradict you, coz (I hope that) you defo learned (quite) a bit out from this, you being a person, who self admittedly, embraces facts and logic.

Enjoy.

[Aethervoxx]

The Sweet Spot for me is to play a Battleship, Cruiser or Destroyer only.

Reworked CVs & Subs are, imo, 'abominations', as offered by WoWS.

The Spot is a Random Battle (gotta be random, right? LOL), preferably, with a Division Mate or, better, two Division Mates. 

Sweet Spot, for me, has to be where you don't see the, imo, 'abominable' Reworked CVs nor Subs.

A Random Battle, where no matter the tier, you don't see either.

The Refugium? T2 & T3 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

19 hours ago, Kruzenstern said:

 

I see it the same way, since I mostly play just operations and they don't exist beyond tier8...

 

The operations and the low tiers are the only things that keep me playing at all, currently.

[SurfaceFish]

CO OP and operations, only play CV solo in random, as I don't need teammates much to do well.

 

My last Vampire 2 game made me quite random surface ships for a long time, put your ship on the line, no support and focused by overwhelming red ships. 10k damage done but still finished middle of the lossing table. (yes, I could have ran away like all my team, but how to win by running away, red had all 3 caps in 5 mins?)

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

11 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Enjoy. 

 

[Aethervoxx]

6 hours ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

the low tiers

Just randoms for me there as I want a modicum of exp (co-op is just too easy). I've never been into operations (perhaps, I should be or should have been)

6 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

yes, I could have ran away like all my team, but how to win by running away, red had all 3 caps in 5 mins?)

An example of how the MM places too many imbeciles on one side so the favoured side gets the easy cap points win. This is so obvious only idiots cannot see this 'arranging' of  the W/L results.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

An example of how the MM places too many imbeciles on one side so the favoured side gets the easy cap points win. This is so obvious only idiots cannot see this 'arranging' of  the W/L results.

Ok, you don't understand calculus of probabilities, I get it. But unlike some social sciences concept it exists and it works.

You may consider yourself a good player, only held down by rigged matchmaking and bad teammates - but reality disagrees.

 

Yes, there is some rigging going on, see the WG patent someone dug up - but that's a minor issue, in my opinion. Also, just because you don't understand how it works, the others aren't idiots. Quite the other way around.

 

Also....

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

[...] imbeciles [...]

This seems to be a recurring theme here. People shooting themselves in the leg by complaining about their team while actually being the liability to the team in the first place.

 

Man, this total lack of self-awareness is cracking me up....

 

Edit: You know how I know that stats work? I worked up, from yarrr broadside tuberous plant to actually decent. And I did so by getting gud. Yes, you are incapable of doing it, or you would have done so long ago and would now laugh along at the not so good players, claiming bad teams, phases of the moon or whatnot for their misadventures.

And you know the first step I needed to take? Realizing I was actually trash.

 

[Aethervoxx]

10 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

es, there is some rigging going on,

Absolutely.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

5 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Absolutely.

That's all you got out of my statement?

 

 

Nah man, the rigging is limited to give new players at a tier a bit of an easier time. This doesn't explain your performance at tier 10. Your stats are because you are a bad player. It's not a great conspiracy to "put the imbeciles on your team so you lose". It's more "you got put on a team and then the team loses".

If I were you, I wouldn't call anyone else an imbecile.

 

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of bad players around - and even the best players will get teams they won't be able to carry. And even the worst players get carried once in a while or simply the stars align and they got lucky.

 

 

Edit: This one seems appropriate for this thread. A lot:

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

@Aethervoxx this downvoting is really getting to me.

 

I propose you really concern yourself with getting gud in the game, that's much more worthwhile than trying to be a laughingstock in the forum.

 

 

[Andrewbassg]

10 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Nah man, the rigging is limited

Umm......that remains to be proven. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that this has a deterministic effect, buut........it has an influence.This, coupled with other factors, could and actually will negatively influence player experience.

And actually not all issues are....created. For example given how (Weegee's) RNG works( i.e based on % and therefore requires the presence of a "database"), it is inevitable. Ever wondered why new ships ( or ships not played for a while) tend to perform "better"? That's because in the case of former the database doesn't exist, yet, and in the latter case the database has resetted itself.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

55 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Umm......that remains to be proven.

55 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

This [....] will negatively influence player experience.

Much less than the average variation - not in a way that someone with 1000 games at tier 10 is a 40%er where he actually would be a 60% player.

Yes, win rate with all it's faults, say, lack of moving average and so on.. it's a crutch, but good enough to differentiate good from bad players.

 

55 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Ever wondered why new ships ( or ships not played for a while) tend to perform "better"? That's because in the case of former the database doesn't exist, yet, and in the latter case the database has resetted itself. 

 

That's your idea now? You play ships for five games and leave them be until "the database resetted itself" so you get preferential matchmaking? And still get these results?

How does the actually working "git gud" factor into that? Or how I managed to get a decent win rate in 800 games with the Druid, back to back? Your bovine excrement excuses why you suck are insulting to those who don't.

[Andrewbassg]

52 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Much less than the average variation - not in a way that someone with 1000 games at tier 10 is a 40%er where he actually would be a 60% player.

 Yes, win rate with all it's faults, say, lack of moving average and so on.. it's a crutch, but good enough to differentiate good from bad players.

 

How you've gone from a subjective metric (player experience), to an objective metric (WR),?  One indeed could influence the other (even so, that's not a given) but...just....how??

 

Human factor is a well understood  variance ( also an important one) in every related field, so... wazz the point? Indeed, our overlords lack the capacity to understand  (let alone to employ it, not to mention successfully) its significance. Mainly because of their (past) materialistic education therefore can't find a common language with us players, but....that's not an excuse.

52 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

That's your idea now? You play ships for five games and leave them be until "the database resetted itself" so you get preferential matchmaking? And still get these results?

How does the actually working "git gud" factor into that? Or how I managed to get a decent win rate in 800 games with the Druid, back to back? Your bovine exrement excuses why you suck are insulting to those who don't.

 

  Au contraire mon ami, I greatly prefer familiarity over "inexplicable", conditional, unwanted and unwelcomed variables. Like.... "Outnumbered". I simply pointed out some of the limitations of the "technology".

But... since you mentioned, RNG not necessarily is, or has to be global. It could be... "personalised"

 

52 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

 

So "human" factor is significant after all :) Noice way to contradict yourself in one post 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

But... since you mentioned, RNG not necessarily is, or has to be global. It could be... "personalised" 

So that's your excuse now? Personalized RNG? Nothing to do with showing broadside and getting blapped because being out of position? And I... improved my personalized RNG by... aligning my chakras or what?

2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Your bovine excrement excuses why you suck are insulting to those who don't.

 

[Andrewbassg]

15 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

So that's your excuse now?

I already told you that its not the case. And

 

4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Now, I'm not necessarily saying that this has a deterministic effect, buut........it has an influence

 

19 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Personalized RNG

Well, in my experience it does exist. The beauty of this line of argumentation is, it cannot be discounted by and/or objective metrics.

Nevertheless, read the above quote, again.

 

31 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Nothing to do with showing broadside and getting blapped because being out of position?

One is A and the other is B. Still....arguing for gitgud isn't a bit hypocritical, while Wedgie is actively pursuing a different path by discouraging and removing the means and the motivation to do so? Not to mention all those lovely bugs...hkhmm....multilegged house pets.

 

....

35 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

And I... could mproved my personalized RNG by.

I can see several ways to do that, however given that it is( allegedly) decided by a third party.......I will refrain to do so.

 

3 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

are insulting to those who don't

Yo....I'm not trying to take away or minimising something.here.

[Aethervoxx]

8 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

gud

How about you try to use proper english, you know, use the proper word 'good' instead of lesser IQ slang

 

8 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

this downvoting is really getting to me

if being downvoted gets to you then, perhaps, think about what you are typing

[Aethervoxx]

57 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

So that's your excuse now?

 

5 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

I already told you that its not the case.

Is it possible  we are dealing with another case of 'Pete-itis' ? If so, the  disease is spreading . Innoculations   are in order   

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

8 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Well, in my experience it does exist. The beauty of this line of argumentation is, it cannot be discounted by and/or objective metrics.

Of course beliefs can be discounted as bovine excrement.If you state something, the burden of proof is on you.

 

8 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

9 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

And I... could mproved my personalized RNG by.

I can see several ways to do that, however given that it is( allegedly) decided by a third party.......I will refrain to do so.

a) Could you please not modify my quotes into [edited]? At least write something like "fixed it for you" to claim authorship, because people might read this and could think I make idiotic claims.

b) So you think everyone who ever improved his game by, say, reading a guide, watching an instructional video, learning about positioning, angling and overmatch never had an influence didn't actually and only improve by ....say, what exactly are you implying? What way do you think is there to improve you won't go down?

Whaling? But I know enough trash whales - why doesn't it work for them? And I don't whale anything, either, I usually only spend 50€ on christmass for a year of premium. Not this year, though, still had enough left over. How the did I manage to improve when it's not the things I actually did?

 

I tell you what it is. You are a bad player. You don't want that to be true, so you look for excuses, one dumber than the other, just so you don't have to face that fact. This is reinforced by having a good match every 50 matches where you actually didn't just perish, one where you devstruck an oblivious or unlucky opponent, and that makes you feel that you aren't bad. And then you get devstruck five times in a row because you're oblivious yourself and blame the team or claim that the enemy has a higher chance to citadel you. Yes, they do. Because you show so much broadside, it's a free lunch for them!

 

8 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Is it possible  we are dealing with another case of 'Pete-itis' ? If so, the  disease is spreading . Innoculations   are in order   

The two of you are cute. How about you open up a self help group for the competence challenged? Where you can tell yourself just how great players you are, just held back by "personalized RNG" and matchmaking that puts you on the team with the "imbeciles". You can call it "the super-unicums of hearts", how about that?

 

I know of several others here in the forum who could join your little filter bubble. You could even have a get together and go out for dinner? Travel is cheap, an implausible number of you fit in a very small car...

[Andrewbassg]

Umm....

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Of course beliefs can be discounted as bovine excrement.

...nope. It is possible that some beliefs could be discounted, when contradicting factual evidence is present.

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

If you state something, the burden of proof is on you.

Personal experience, stated as such, doesn't necessarily need proof.

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

a)

The quote is on the same page and there is cute arrow on the quote which will lead to the original one. Besides I think it is quite obvious which parts were edited.

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

b) So you think everyone who ever improved his game by, say, reading a guide, watching an instructional video, learning about positioning, angling and overmatch never had an influence didn't actually and only improve by ....say, what exactly are you implying? What way do you think is there to improve you won't go down?

 

Umm..

20 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Now, I'm not necessarily saying that this has a deterministic

How big and bold I need to make this quote, also how many times for you to acknowledge it? :) No you are not showing your bias at all....

The way it works, is an influencing factor, not a deterministic one. Also, its effects are well within what you would call "statistical" variance, except in some outlier cases. Put it simply, alone, it won't win you battles, however it will influence some factors (like MM) leading to a win or loss. It is both tiered( kinda 3-4_ and is periodical.

 

But and I repeat, it wont take away your gitgud, however it could hinder it.

 

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I tell you what it is. You are a bad player

:) Nope, I tell you what it is. I'm not good player but not a bad one either. I won 1v1's and matches against better players and lost to lesser players. However, like I told you n times before, the most defining characteristic of a good player is his consistency and I'm not a consistent player for a variety of reasons, both subjective and objective. 

 

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

 You don't want that to be true, so you look for excuses, one dumber than the other, just so you don't have to face that fact. 

Nah :)...What I do in a battle is on me, either way. However this is a team game.

 

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

This is reinforced by having a good match every 50 matches where you actually didn't just perish, one where you devstruck an oblivious or unlucky opponent, and that makes you feel that you aren't bad. And then you get devstruck five times in a row because you're oblivious yourself and blame the team or claim that the enemy has a higher chance to citadel you. Yes, they do. Because you show so much broadside, it's a free lunch for them!



 Yo.....that hurts..... But no, I rarely get devstricked ( tho playing cruisers of course I do get sometimes, still usually not by babbies) :) 

[DFens_666]

7 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

personalized RNG

 

Maybe this even exists - but not in a way how they think

*cough* 40%ers showing perma broadside but dont seem to have a citadel *cough*

[Andrewbassg]

31 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Maybe this even exists - but not in a way how they think

*cough* 40%ers showing perma broadside but dont seem to have a citadel *cough*

What makes you think that you are... "excused" ?  

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

...nope. It is possible that some beliefs could be discounted, when contradicting factual evidence is present.

The amount of bovine excrement one can choose to believe is limitless, as you have aptly shown. You can discount every flimsy belief that cannot be backed up. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. That is why we consider people idiots who tell us they've been abducted by aliens for a colonoscopy.

 

3 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Personal experience, stated as such, doesn't necessarily need proof.

Only - and really only - if you wish to be considered worthwhile anyone elses time. But don't fret, you already have a disciple, you can simply make a religion out of it and claim immunity from facts.

I just hope you wear these funny shoes at your get together when exiting the very small car.

 

3 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

I'm not good player but not a bad one either.

And after all this, the only question that remains is - do you manage to type this with a straight face?

 

3 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Nah :)...What I do in a battle is on me, either way. However this is a team game.

And what you do influences the teams success. If you only afk, you get low win rates, because your team can't compensate losing one player. Worse, if it's a deceisive class, like CV, not so bad it it's just a floating damage sponge - but even that has an influence, because any shell not shot at you gets shot at your team instead. So, who would have guessed, the teams results are based upon little and little influences the teams members.

If you have two have teams which are equally skilled but for one bad player, that team is going to lose more often. Which in turn leads to below average win rates for that player. Everyone else gets switched around in random MM, staying average (or a little above, now that the bad player lowered the hurdle) untill, after an infninite amount of games, he arrives at 'his' win rate.

 

Winning a 1 on 1 doesn't qualify for anything. Getting deleted by a lucky torp means nothing. Neither does winning when playing overly agressive and getting lucky doing so.

 

Sooo....