Why is Ranked Battles such a total sht-show?

[MarChil]

5 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

well you are the one advocating for some skill based MM or did I misunderstand ? so I'd like to know how that should look like ...

you assume wrong. There are far more important issues at hand that make WG a company that is seemingly incapable of offering quality in day-to-day operations. I even want to go as far as stating that the rather dissapointing quality of gameplay is a result of WG's incompetense instead of the (easily blamed by WG) 'playerbase'.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

8 minutes ago, MarChil said:

you assume wrong. There are far more important issues at hand that make WG a company that is seemingly incapable of offering quality in day-to-day operations. I even want to go as far as stating that the rather dissapointing quality of gameplay is a result of WG's incompetense instead of the (easily blamed by WG) 'playerbase'.

All you do is make claims while claiming that no one else gets it. You aren't even explaining your point expecting everyone to see the apparently obvious bigger picture.

 

That's quite a nice way to elevate yourself above everyone who just doesn't get it. Sadly for you its a delusion of yours.

[DFens_666]

8 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

All you do is make claims while claiming that no one else gets it. You aren't even explaining your point expecting everyone to see the apparently obvious bigger picture.

 

That's quite a nice way to elevate yourself above everyone who just doesn't get it. Sadly for you its a delusion of yours.

 

[MarChil]

4 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

That's quite a nice way to elevate yourself above everyone who just doesn't get it. Sadly for you its a delusion of yours.

Thank you for this remark, I'll take it under advisement. 

 

It would however be more constructive to keep any clinical definitions out of it, it takes a degree and official examination to make a diagnose on those matters. 

 

7 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

All you do is make claims while claiming that no one else gets it.

Strangely enough, I was talking to just one person and not everyone. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, MarChil said:

Thank you for this remark, I'll take it under advisement. 

 

It would however be more constructive to keep any clinical definitions out of it, it takes a degree and official examination to make a diagnose on those matters. 

 

Strangely enough, I was talking to just one person and not everyone. 

in a forum you always talk to every person participating. if you want to talk privately use pms

[MarChil]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

in a forum you always talk to every person participating. if you want to talk privately use pms

quoting 1 person and reacting to that person does not make me talk to everyone.

 

Now, I would very much like to continue and not stand in a rather pointless conversation with a passer-by

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

You will likely have people ignore you rather than wanting to continue wasting time against such an attitude. Good luck 

[MarChil]

4 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Good luck

Thanks

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

On 2/28/2023 at 2:42 PM, Hugh_Ruka said:

Where is the difference ? It's just another type of grind. Also you are aware there are already skill based missions of the type "In 1 battle ..." those are nothing less than skill bars ... so why stop there ?

It seems I need to spell it out. You choose not to grind with those ships types, but you can if you want to. Mandatory exclusion based on any stats is not a  choice. That is a fundamental difference. Those skilled based missions are never a bar. They give you a bonus but you can complete the event without them. In dockyards you can completely ignore 1 or if you can complete the so called "skilled based mission" in the chain two ship classes. I'm a low average player in general, but I complete in Dockyards without any special effort all the missions, except the CVs, bcs I do not play them at all. I get to gold R1 in the third or fourth sprint in ranked. Bcs I chose a ship in which I'm really good and can carry. These are not real skill limits what you mention and they are generally by choice. This a F2P game but most players pay occasionally or regularly. It would be really bad for business to set up hard skill based criteria for a big portion of them just bcs some self styled probois cannot choose a ship they can carry if needed.

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

On 2/28/2023 at 1:13 PM, Hyborian_Punk said:

well my opinion is that it is really hard to rank out while there is a CV in play, I don't have enough smokescreens to hide while friendly CVs only using their fighters to spot not to cover ya. Also lot of new players with less than 500 battles with premium ships trying ranked. There are hours when I cannot even win one single battle let alone earning stars. Almost Nobody is reading the map or communicating.

 

So right now Ranked is an awful experience. not recommending it to average potatoes like me.

I did have very similar experience, and to be honest sometime I still have. But as it was said before, in raked you should be able to carry, that was the key to offset these issues. Your choice of ship and your skill with that ship will have more impact then your teammates, most of the time. And that is the difference of winning 45% or 55% of your ranked battles. Nobody wins all. It will never be straight up to R1 Gold. Sometimes your team will be uncarriable, then you try to go save a star. But in general with below average skills but with a few ship you are really good at you should be able to complete.

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

On 2/28/2023 at 6:13 PM, MarChil said:

We all know 'skill' is a dirty word with WG. They rather have luck and certain ships to have the advantage. Don't forget their goal is to make sure everyone has a chance to play every ship and every mode and have a feeling of succes afterwards. Trivial things like skill and experience get in the way of that. Play ranked without the need to win and despite WG's best efforts you will have a fun round a couple of times. (at least there isn't a flyboy in every 3rd game or so) Just don't make the common mistake to do your best, it's rather useless. 

You have just gave the recipe how to never rank out... In ranked it is essential you play your best, to try to counter the worst skills on the team. And there is a reward specifically set up for that, the possibility of saving a star. Very few people gets to Gold R1 with higher than 52-53% WR, but they have a large proportion of saved stars in lost battles. Because they make the effort to try their best. You don't want to, don't do it, anyone can get to gold easily and then just grind for the rewards but do not tell that you do not make an effort bcs its worthless, it has a build in reward which helps you rank out.

 

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

On 2/27/2023 at 2:39 PM, S_h_i_v_a said:

At Christmas we had Ranked at Tier V.

Masochistic, but i needed the steel.

 

I like low tier bronze ranked. It is an opportunity to revisit some good old memories and play them again. It is also much easier to rank out to silver. I Think it is good that there is an opportunity for less skilled players to try ranked and it is an easy way for more skilled players to get to higher leagues. Giulio Cesare still rules the seas in T5 and Agincourt with guaranteed no CV in game is a beast. Same with T6 now. A few good oldies did the job. Surely it is less tactical conscious then silver but also less toxic than gold. I enjoyed the few hours I spent there. CVs are irrelevant in T6, I don't know if it due to lack of skill of players or just the ships are bad, but I had much more problem in T8 and a huge problem in T10 with CVs. In gold after a while I had to chose ships with massive AA rpotection if I wanted to rank out.

[S_h_i_v_a]

11 minuti fa, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied ha scritto:

 

 CVs are irrelevant in T6,

 

Just now a CV focused only on me: bombs, torps and perma spotted. First one to sink. 

[Hugh_Ruka]

5 hours ago, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied said:

It seems I need to spell it out. You choose not to grind with those ships types, but you can if you want to. Mandatory exclusion based on any stats is not a  choice. That is a fundamental difference. Those skilled based missions are never a bar. They give you a bonus but you can complete the event without them. In dockyards you can completely ignore 1 or if you can complete the so called "skilled based mission" in the chain two ship classes. I'm a low average player in general, but I complete in Dockyards without any special effort all the missions, except the CVs, bcs I do not play them at all. I get to gold R1 in the third or fourth sprint in ranked. Bcs I chose a ship in which I'm really good and can carry. These are not real skill limits what you mention and they are generally by choice. This a F2P game but most players pay occasionally or regularly. It would be really bad for business to set up hard skill based criteria for a big portion of them just bcs some self styled probois cannot choose a ship they can carry if needed.

except class specific goals (f.e. hits by rockets or aerial torpedoes), I do not see why I should be prevented form competing with other ship classes in the same ? I can citadel in a DD, there are even DDs with secondary guns etc ... it is just artificial restrictions or lazynes to put up 3 class missions with the SAME requirement (f.e. earn X amount of base XP) and just separate that by class qualifiers. I can perfectly complete 80% of those missions in a DD yet I am not allowed to.

 

hard skill criteria are not that bad if restricted to one game mode. we had similar with clan battles, you had to be member of a clan of a certain size to earn steel ... now we have mercs so anybody can do that ...

 

the only badge of honor available in this game is either I have X amount of time to grind or I have Y amount of money I spent ... even Ranked was reduced to a participation trophy grind.

 

and speaking of probois ... when everybody selects only the optimal ship, we end with a CB situation where you meet the same 4-5 ships in the top leagues just because they are optimal and WG have to ban certain ships because they are too optimal ...

[Aethervoxx]

I don't know why Ranked Battles is such a 'sht-show', why it is being termed that way. I suppose whoever designed this feature at WoWS should explain Ranked Battles more fully - how it operates, etc, etc.

My personal experience with Ranked Battles is this is not worth wasting my time playing after playing it a few times (seasons).

Come  to your own conclusion 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

I don't know why Ranked Battles is such a 'sht-show', why it is being termed that way.

Imagine you're going for races, you're randomly teamed up with a few other individuals as a team. Then you try to race the other team, similarily made up of random people.

But then you suddenly find out, one or two or five of your teammates (or the enemy) aren't here for the race at all - they try to run with shoelaces tied together, they run in the wrong direction or they just stand around drooling. Entirely incapable. And/or they're just after the reward and don't really care. The more often they appear to the races, the higher the chance that someone carries them to victory. If you can't, well, maybe they get lucky next time - and they manage three to four games for every single one you do.

 

That's a shitshow.

[Andrewbassg]

On 2/21/2023 at 10:48 PM, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Why is Ranked Battles such a total sht-show

 

Well we have this

 

 

 

Then we have this

 

Reducing the line up was truly a negative pivotal moment .

 

Then we have all the unsorted and unfixed  also denied bugs...

 

Then we have the  floating flying monke cages included

 

Then we have all sort of incel classes. included

 

So no wonder the sad state of ranked ( and the game)  The more reetarded decisions the more sh#tshow.

 

 

 

But the biggest kill switch will be subs.

[Andrewbassg]

Also what ranked?

This is a brawl. Except me nobody entered in the caps We lost and nobody sunk.....

 

 WHAT... ranked?? That;s what Weegee has done to the game...... 

[Andrewbassg]

Btw NA is incomparably worse the EU

 

 

 

 

LMAO...GG Weegee

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

5 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

LMAO...GG Weegee

And the rest of the games? I mean... Mogami in ranked? One can make it work, but most just farm long range damage for exp but are completely inable to exert any influence over the outcome. That's what I meant with "running in the wrong direction".

[MarChil]

On 3/2/2023 at 12:00 PM, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied said:

You have just gave the recipe how to never rank out... In ranked it is essential you play your best, to try to counter the worst skills on the team. And there is a reward specifically set up for that, the possibility of saving a star. Very few people gets to Gold R1 with higher than 52-53% WR, but they have a large proportion of saved stars in lost battles. Because they make the effort to try their best. You don't want to, don't do it, anyone can get to gold easily and then just grind for the rewards but do not tell that you do not make an effort bcs its worthless, it has a build in reward which helps you rank out.

All the more chances for you to reach that precious gold then. I rather don't waste the effort.

 

On 3/2/2023 at 9:59 PM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Imagine you're going for races, you're randomly teamed up with a few other individuals as a team. Then you try to race the other team, similarily made up of random people.

But then you suddenly find out, one or two or five of your teammates (or the enemy) aren't here for the race at all - they try to run with shoelaces tied together, they run in the wrong direction or they just stand around drooling. Entirely incapable. And/or they're just after the reward and don't really care. The more often they appear to the races, the higher the chance that someone carries them to victory. If you can't, well, maybe they get lucky next time - and they manage three to four games for every single one you do.

 

That's a shitshow.

Add to that the fact that the organiser of the race allowes some to bring rollerskates because that's supposed to be fair.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

11 minutes ago, MarChil said:

Add to that the fact that the organiser of the race allowes some to bring rollerskates because that's supposed to be fair.

Yeah. That was the tier 7 shitshow.

 

But at tier 8 I am perfectly capable of carrying game after game with what is widely considered to be the worst ship in wows - I can easily exploit the skill gap, especially with that box o' gimmicks. The amount of shitshows is thus limited, just only because of the results, not for the lack of trying, though.

[CSS_modding_1]

On 3/2/2023 at 9:59 PM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Imagine you're going for races, you're randomly teamed up with a few other individuals as a team. Then you try to race the other team, similarily made up of random people.

But then you suddenly find out, one or two or five of your teammates (or the enemy) aren't here for the race at all - they try to run with shoelaces tied together, they run in the wrong direction or they just stand around drooling. Entirely incapable. And/or they're just after the reward and don't really care. The more often they appear to the races, the higher the chance that someone carries them to victory. If you can't, well, maybe they get lucky next time - and they manage three to four games for every single one you do.

 

That's a shitshow.

no that's because you're a bad player 

 

not to the teams 
remember 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, CSS_modding_1 said:

no that's because you're a bad player 

 

not to the teams 
remember 

 

Nah man. Look at the graph again.

[CSS_modding_1]

22 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

 

Nah man. Look at the graph again.

yea yea sudden ly its bad teams for u

and other people suck an are bad 

no but not u its teams that suck 

and the graph  i say nice pice of paint net

 

u suck too