Why is Ranked Battles such a total sht-show?

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Any ideas? Too easy? Too Hard?

 

The vast majority of players don't seem to give a flying F.

 

Worse still is how most players appear to play as though it's their first WoWS battle EVER PLAYED. Not just atrociously bad players but completely bereft of awareness, skill, tactics... everything, SO bad. 

 

Randoms has elements of that too but not on such a scale and not to that all time low level of standard and that's not me bragging about my own ability, I'm average as balls but these players make bots look unicum. 

 

 

[NicramDuel]

You're currently in silver league - that's the league of my choice, too. Sorry to hear that experience - trust me: in silver, you actually get a LOT of fairly balanced runs. Win some, lose some (I'm just in for the fast MM's compared to gold, but the weeding-out of complete dingbats from bronze as well).

 

Randoms, and in the latest patch, operations are much more of a $hitstorm - in all honesty, and I AM, without sarcasm, being honest: I do silver league battles because they are currently the most relaxing amongst the other options for the daily containers (and of course, the 18 wins). For every roflstomp or for every braindead "friendly" 42% wr DD who autonukes himself, you get 2-3 games where both teams play fairly up to expectations. During the second week of each sprint, very strong or very adamant players (extremities for better or worse) are already done, so it's more enjoyable and relaxed then. 

 

One thing that you might wish to try is to avoid the peak period of 16:00-21:00, and the "daytime" hours of weekends in general - if you would like to reduce the chances to witness an outstandingly retarded performer on your group. Of course it can happen during all hours of the mode being open. In my experience however, in both ranked and operations, during non-peaktimes, you tend to get more of those players who are up late or early to get something done. You have less of those who just log in, press some buttons, don't give a damn, and perhaps don't even realize how much they hinder other's experience. 

 

Give it time in silver league: it's perhaps one of the most balanced options this game currently has (and that is saying much for a game where only soviet balans of the peepul exists).

 

Best of luck! 

[Andrewbassg]

Who TF in the right mind would want to play that mode with Weegee's pos, reetarded, dishonest floating flying monke cages lurking around??

 

They are supposedly balanced for randoms aka 12v12 then suddenly got invited into 6v6. when they are barred from KOTS and CB exactty for the reasons they should NOT be there??

Not to mention how they upped  that sh$t even further by "introducing" the most toxic  ever  to a nation who never had one'?? Only "aviation carrying" cruisers and even those were a genuine laughing stock of any and all navies? 

So good players avoid that idiocy.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Any ideas? Too easy? Too Hard?

 

The vast majority of players don't seem to give a flying F.

 

Worse still is how most players appear to play as though it's their first WoWS battle EVER PLAYED. Not just atrociously bad players but completely bereft of awareness, skill, tactics... everything, SO bad. 

  

Randoms has elements of that too but not on such a scale and not to that all time low level of standard and that's not me bragging about my own ability, I'm average as balls but these players make bots look unicum.

Some people think ranked is for them because they a) are currently at the tier played or b) like to club seals at the tier played without actually posessing any kind of competence.

 

Just select a ship that can influence the outcome and you can make the skill gap work in your favour....

 

 

[GarrusBrutus]

Ranked is just randoms with fewer ships. Change my mind. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

7 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ranked is just randoms with fewer ships. Change my mind. 

No subs. Steel as a reward. Not being uptiered. AA Tiger '59 works like a charm, got three AA experts in the last few matches....

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I like that ship but she basically prints 1.6k xp losses for me 

No idea how one could play her in Ranked, where enemies are even more likely to be nose-in and make my AP as pointless as a broken pencil.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

6 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

I like that ship but she basically prints 1.6k xp losses for me 

No idea how one could play her in Ranked, where enemies are even more likely to be nose-in and make my AP as pointless as a broken pencil.

Radar trap and murder the DD, that's basically the first step to victory. Since you only have three BBs, they are still at the spawn at the first engagement and can't crossfire you, assuming a well balanced setup of DD, 2CA, 3BB ( @Seraphice you should increase the reload and/or dispersion by 25% for BBs in ranked, then we wouldn't have so many - they're a scourge. Or mabye simply deactivate the overmatch mechanic)

 

Then take up an agressive position in the middle of the map and farm broadsides for two to three thousand a salvo with the best in game accuracy from smoke - or refrain from shooting with your best in class concealment when it's on cooldown so you don't unnecessarily expose yourself. Just don't get blind fired with AP in smoke.

 

You can also do DD duties and spot once the enemy DD has been deleted and in combination with your zombie heal, you're reasonably tanky for a CL if you know how to dodge. Similar to radar mino. I really consider rudder mod, but the radar trap is just so convenient...

 

Since improving your dpm with skills is a multiplier for a very small number, it isn't really helpful because it stays anemic, so I run an AA build. Every match with a CV I had yesterday, I managed AA expert. Admittedly, they weren't good players, but then, that's what we're talking about here.

 

If you print high exp losses, it's not usually you who does stupid things, it's that you can't manage to influence the game enough to compensate for your team while still doing the right thing. In a smaller game with less ships, more predictable positioning, I believe this ship excels.

Alone the fact that the CV has a smaller selection of targets to crap on makes him come near you, even if he loses squadron after squadron.

 

[MementoMori_6030]

There are no submarines in Ranked, probably for the last time (12.2 will put an end to this).

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

12 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

There are no submarines in Ranked, probably for the last time (12.2 will put an end to this).

Maybe not. This changes from season to season.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 18 Minuten, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied sagte:

Maybe not. This changes from season to season.

You are proposing that WG will suddenly suffer an epiphany and curtail their latest brain fart child? I doubt it.

[Figment]

10 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

No subs. Steel as a reward. Not being uptiered.

You can get steel from randoms too through the missions.

 

Being uptiered is sometimes possible in Ranked and can actually be a boon in Ranked if you’re a good player. It likely means more exp to get you at the top of the list, as your skill can net you (spotting) damage and kills on the enemy higher tiers, while ar least one of your higher tiers likely gets to fight a lower tier and use their power distance to off-set their lower skill.

 

Subs aren’t always in Random matches, they will be in Ranked soon enough. Will mean more power distance for the side who can kill the enemy sub first and doesn’t flee in panic. So likely mine. :p

[Hogger4169]

Ranks should be ..

Tier 8 for Bronze

Tier 9 for silver

Tier 10 for gold.

 

With the current layout, this is a mess....

If you hate someone, make him play ranks in bronze...

[KhorneFlake]

I think the only sht-show about ranked right now is starting bronze with crappy T 6 ships.

Which is going to end next season, thank god!

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 11 Stunden, Karkong_the_Impaler sagte:

 

100% WR in Bronze so far... 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

13 hours ago, NicramDuel said:

You're currently in silver league - that's the league of my choice, too. Sorry to hear that experience - trust me: in silver, you actually get a LOT of fairly balanced runs. Win some, lose some (I'm just in for the fast MM's compared to gold, but the weeding-out of complete dingbats from bronze as well).

 

Randoms, and in the latest patch, operations are much more of a $hitstorm - in all honesty, and I AM, without sarcasm, being honest: I do silver league battles because they are currently the most relaxing amongst the other options for the daily containers (and of course, the 18 wins). For every roflstomp or for every braindead "friendly" 42% wr DD who autonukes himself, you get 2-3 games where both teams play fairly up to expectations. During the second week of each sprint, very strong or very adamant players (extremities for better or worse) are already done, so it's more enjoyable and relaxed then. 

 

One thing that you might wish to try is to avoid the peak period of 16:00-21:00, and the "daytime" hours of weekends in general - if you would like to reduce the chances to witness an outstandingly retarded performer on your group. Of course it can happen during all hours of the mode being open. In my experience however, in both ranked and operations, during non-peaktimes, you tend to get more of those players who are up late or early to get something done. You have less of those who just log in, press some buttons, don't give a damn, and perhaps don't even realize how much they hinder other's experience. 

 

Give it time in silver league: it's perhaps one of the most balanced options this game currently has (and that is saying much for a game where only soviet balans of the peepul exists).

 

Best of luck! 

 

Indeed and no coincidence I'm in Silver for reasons you outlined. For me silver league is the "Goldilocks" of this current RB season imho though Bronze was kinda ok too and another nice opportunity to play lower tier ships that don't get out of port much in with my normal T8 or T10 pref go-to tiers. 

 

What's put me off the most this season even more than clueless or selfish Bobs botting about spamming battles for wins without any actual effort or positive input from themselves is the power of CV's since they're included.

 

I'm a BB main. I'll dip my toe in other classes to mix things up a bit but normally it's just BB's. So I was initially looking forwards to enjoying playing some of my favorite T8 BB's but they were getting slaughtered by CV's and a side order of Massa's and other OP premium ships. Same deal with teammates. The result was almost already forecast just by which team had the tech-tree ships and which team had the powerful premium alternatives.

 

So in the end and on the back of getting pommeled by CV's and OP ships and suffering frustrating battles with clueless or uninterested Bobs playing crappy ships I went and tried my hand at CV's in RB for myself and indeed this was a dramatic shift in effectiveness when it came to countering OP ships, countering clueless or botting or AFK teammates and in countering enemy CV's. Ya, sadly the most reliable way of winning and countering everything wrong with RB was by actually playing what is most wrong with RB right now, CV's, in a sad showing of "If you can't beat em, join em!". It also imho highlights just how powerful and toxic CV's are that I, a clueless CV player with literally no experience playing them outside of Ops was so effective at tilting the outcome of battles all by myself and even against a pretty strong enemy line-up while teamed with a pretty weak bunch.

[RazorBlade72]

Because ranked is also a relative easy way to farm steel it is not just a competitive mode for a lot of people. Especialy if you are on a rank where you can't lose your star. Why not try new ships out? But it is not just interesting for farming steel. Because you have smaller teams the battles are quicker then random so you get more resources in the same amount of time. Since it is a good farming option you will of course see people who use it that way.

[Hugh_Ruka]

Dunno, I maybe just had luck or what but it is generally fine for me. Not many CV matches and generally the team mates are not all bad so one can work with something.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

14 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Any ideas? Too easy? Too Hard?

 

The vast majority of players don't seem to give a flying F.

 

Worse still is how most players appear to play as though it's their first WoWS battle EVER PLAYED. Not just atrociously bad players but completely bereft of awareness, skill, tactics... everything, SO bad. 

 

Randoms has elements of that too but not on such a scale and not to that all time low level of standard and that's not me bragging about my own ability, I'm average as balls but these players make bots look unicum. 

 

 

I have some idea.

1. Its a great way for non-skilled players to be carried up the ranks for free rewards, just push that battle button enough times and then "W" and your soon rank 1 in Gold.
2. You have the same mediocre skilled players as in Randoms but you experience their non skill much more because its 6 vs 6 instead of 12 vs 12.
3. WG doesn't make Ranked skill based in any way so why expect it?!
4. WG doesn't rewards skill in any way in the entire game so why expect it at all? You want to play T10? You don't have to be good or even grind just throw some money.
5. WG doesn't reward skill at all. For instance, just push "W" in a sub and you will be top of the score board.
6. Players doesn't grasp the concept of an Objective in Domination, Standard, Random, Brawl, CooP, Airship Escorts, Arms race, Scenarios etc etc so why would they in Ranked?!
7. For some players at T10 Ranked ..... It IS their first battle?!??!

[surfer_gr]

bro ranks is for farming steel and dubs always first sprint i take all rewards from all leagues after that i take the rewards only from gold therefore they add up quite well no reason to rank out in gold i do my 27 wins and stop

 

 

my tier10 solo battles :P almost 22k 

 

 

and because i mainly play solo ranked makes no difference to me i dont care about saving star since my goal in the win and nothing more or less

 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

50 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

I have some idea.

1. Its a great way for non-skilled players to be carried up the ranks for free rewards, just push that battle button enough times and then "W" and your soon rank 1 in Gold.
2. You have the same mediocre skilled players as in Randoms but you experience their non skill much more because its 6 vs 6 instead of 12 vs 12.
3. WG doesn't make Ranked skill based in any way so why expect it?!
4. WG doesn't rewards skill in any way in the entire game so why expect it at all? You want to play T10? You don't have to be good or even grind just throw some money.
5. WG doesn't reward skill at all. For instance, just push "W" in a sub and you will be top of the score board.
6. Players doesn't grasp the concept of an Objective in Domination, Standard, Random, Brawl, CooP, Airship Escorts, Arms race, Scenarios etc etc so why would they in Ranked?!
7. For some players at T10 Ranked ..... It IS their first battle?!??!

 

Good ideas? In this game?? No no, we won't be having that now!

 

Here at WG we only like ill-conceived, half-baked and poorly executed ideas that are detrimental to game balance, reduces player enjoyment and mostly things that nobody asked for and things that were received with an overwhelming negative feedback! Get it right my boy!

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

5 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

 

Good ideas? In this game?? No no, we won't be having that now!

 

Here at WG we only like ill-conceived, half-baked and poorly executed ideas that are detrimental to game balance, reduces player enjoyment and mostly things that nobody asked for and things that were received with an overwhelming negative feedback! Get it right my boy!

Yes ..... on that note .... guess which 2 ships sat behind an island all game just flying some planes around .....

 

 

Another ship "balanced" by WOW playerbase

 

#WonderWhyWeLost

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Another ship "balanced" by WOW playerbase

It clearly needs a buff.

[SurfaceFish]

3 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Another ship "balanced" by WOW playerbase

What is worse than an Unicum division on the red team?

A potato division on my team!

 

Unicum players can make potato mistakes, potato players will never play like unicum. 
 

WG thinks hydrid BB will add more dynamic option for the players, but those BB can’t tank or push, so most will just hides behind island all game, so the team are down a BB on that flank. If I see one of those abomination on my flank, I’m sailing to the other side of the map, as I wouldn’t have a BB support on the current flank. 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

16 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Yes ..... on that note .... guess which 2 ships sat behind an island all game just flying some planes around .....

 

 

Another ship "balanced" by WOW playerbase

 

#WonderWhyWeLost

 

I kinda figured that's how the hybrid BB/CV era would play out amongst most the nooby playerbase so that screenshot(albeit just one battle and as bottom tier ships to be fair) comes as no surprise.

 

With a lot of players I'm encountering, I figured trying to perform two class tasks at the same time would be a bridge too far for many. I figure it would take a player with a particular skillset(I will find you and I will kill you!) and ability, an awareness and reaction time to extract the most from two classes that are not as strong as either class outright. So while players are trying to play the CV element of their hybrid their BB is AFK'ing across open waters or sitting full broadside to enemy ship lol! Or as you outlined, simply parked behind an island like something an actual proper CV might do.

 

But of course it's not a proper CV so if a player is tucking their AFK BB behind an island while they fly their "nowhere as strong as an actual CV" flight of aircraft at enemy ships then all they're actually doing is just playing a really bad CV and would be better off just playing a CV. Equally when they switch to the BB mode of that ship, the likes of the Nebraska has only 2X3 mains with a 30 second reload time and they're the N-C type of US balloon chuckers that struggle with that long-range damage dealing since targets have about... 3 hours to react between shots fired and shells arriving lol. Surely with a ship that awkward and vulnerable it has to play the long range game whenever using it as a BB apart from the odd end-game push to rout a defeated enemy team etc.

 

I know the Kearsarge is a T9 ship but at least that gets twice the main battery capacity as the Nebraska and I'm guessing the aircraft are probably better too in some way be it damage dealing or flight reload times? I know the Kearsarge has a slower reload time for twice that main battery firepower but the reload booster practically makes them about the same and while it also chucks balloons at least there's twice the amount which offers that whole area saturation "a few will probably hit something" thing lol. The Delaware alternative only has 8 of the same main battery boomsticks.

 

Also, I deleted Nebraska pretty easily while playing BB's and yet the Kearsarge is tanky as F. Not sure if that's the reality but that's what I'm encountering so I'm guessing the Nebraska just can't hold up to taking shots thus can't afford to be exposed very often and probably why those players you were talking about felt the need to sit behind an island but that just comes back to the point about how they would have been most likely far better served playing either a proper CV or a proper BB. Instead of getting some of the best perks of both classes it seems they're getting the worst of both classes.