No idea how to spend my coal...

[ReverendFlashback]

I'm more of a cruiser/dd type of player since bbs bore me to death nowadays and the selction feels godawful (from a pov of what I could need and have already).

 

T9 cruiser wise (which I'd rather get than a T10 for credit making purposes) there's Carnot and Tulsa which are both hard passes for me.

Then we've got Z-44 on dd side,  which is a pretty mediocre ship just by looking at it's stats. Still this manages somehow to be my top pick because: Black and Neustrashimy.

Both look fun and pretty good actually, but the price is downright crazy and my coupon has been already spent. With coupon though, I'd totally get one of those. Also I could use a german captain trainer, so there's that.

 

T10 cruisers... eh. Maybe Yoshino but I've already got 3 japanese premiums for captain training and it does not really shell out cash like a T9 would.

The only other T10 I'd be interested in would be Forrest Sherman. 

Forrest Sherman seems like a pretty good ship and I enjoy smoke farming but not the american tech tree. Again, not a bb player. I don't like their cruisers, but their dds. Problem is, FS is a lousy captain trainer for those.  

 

The upcoming "releases" don't interest me as much either. Maybe Groningen, but I did not play dutch ships at all so far and would end up with a overleveled captain on a untouched line...

Might take months too, until they are there for coal.

 

Feels like i can only do wrong tbh... 

So, get overprized Neustra or Black without coupon, Z-44 which is mediocre, or Sherman which fails in other categories?

[WingedHussar_Adler]

4 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

I'm more of a cruiser/dd type of player since bbs bore me to death nowadays and the selction feels godawful (from a pov of what I could need and have already).

 

T9 cruiser wise (which I'd rather get than a T10 for credit making purposes) there's Carnot and Tulsa which are both hard passes for me.

Then we've got Z-44 on dd side,  which is a pretty mediocre ship just by looking at it's stats. Still this manages somehow to be my top pick because: Black and Neustrashimy.

Both look fun and pretty good actually, but the price is downright crazy and my coupon has been already spent. With coupon though, I'd totally get one of those. Also I could use a german captain trainer, so there's that.

 

T10 cruisers... eh. Maybe Yoshino but I've already got 3 japanese premiums for captain training and it does not really shell out cash like a T9 would.

The only other T10 I'd be interested in would be Forrest Sherman. 

Forrest Sherman seems like a pretty good ship and I enjoy smoke farming but not the american tech tree. Again, not a bb player. I don't like their cruisers, but their dds. Problem is, FS is a lousy captain trainer for those.  

 

The upcoming "releases" don't interest me as much either. Maybe Groningen, but I did not play dutch ships at all so far and would end up with a overleveled captain on a untouched line...

Might take months too, until they are there for coal.

 

Feels like i can only do wrong tbh... 

So, get overprized Neustra or Black without coupon, Z-44 which is mediocre, or Sherman which fails in other categories?

buy modications/upgrades for coal?

captains?

[RuneSlayers]

Or just wait till june for the next coupon?

 

[BruceRKF]

3 minutes ago, RuneSlayers said:

Or just wait till june for the next coupon?

 

This. Why do you feel you need to spend your coal right now?

Before getting a ship, you could spend some (preferably with coupon) on modules, there are plenty of ships benefitting greatly from e.g. the engine boost modification.

[159Hunter]

21 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

T9 cruiser wise (which I'd rather get than a T10 for credit making purposes) there's Carnot and Tulsa which are both hard passes for me.

Would help if you explain why they are hard passes. I quite like Tulsa.

21 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

Forrest Sherman seems like a pretty good ship and I enjoy smoke farming but not the american tech tree. Again, not a bb player. I don't like their cruisers, but their dds. Problem is, FS is a lousy captain trainer for those.  

FS can be used as a captain trainer for US DDs.

 

[lafeel]

11 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Would help if you explain why they are hard passes. I quite like Tulsa.

FS can be used as a captain trainer for US DDs.

 

Fits their skill set very well too, which is more than you can say for..certain other dd's released recently (looking at you Z-42)

[OldPappy]

25 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

I'm more of a cruiser/dd type of player since bbs bore me to death nowadays and the selction feels godawful (from a pov of what I could need and have already).

 

T9 cruiser wise (which I'd rather get than a T10 for credit making purposes) there's Carnot and Tulsa which are both hard passes for me.

Then we've got Z-44 on dd side,  which is a pretty mediocre ship just by looking at it's stats. Still this manages somehow to be my top pick because: Black and Neustrashimy.

Both look fun and pretty good actually, but the price is downright crazy and my coupon has been already spent. With coupon though, I'd totally get one of those. Also I could use a german captain trainer, so there's that.

 

T10 cruisers... eh. Maybe Yoshino but I've already got 3 japanese premiums for captain training and it does not really shell out cash like a T9 would.

The only other T10 I'd be interested in would be Forrest Sherman. 

Forrest Sherman seems like a pretty good ship and I enjoy smoke farming but not the american tech tree. Again, not a bb player. I don't like their cruisers, but their dds. Problem is, FS is a lousy captain trainer for those.  

 

The upcoming "releases" don't interest me as much either. Maybe Groningen, but I did not play dutch ships at all so far and would end up with a overleveled captain on a untouched line...

Might take months too, until they are there for coal.

 

Feels like i can only do wrong tbh... 

So, get overprized Neustra or Black without coupon, Z-44 which is mediocre, or Sherman which fails in other categories?

I’d go for black or neustra honestly. Both are very good. 
Neustra outspots everything that is a threat to you and outguns everyone else. Good earner! God like heal. 
Black is bordering op with stealth, smoke, radar and DPM. Good earner too!

sherman is tricky to play and leaves you at the mercy of your teammates. But in the right circumbstances its a beast!

 

[lafeel]

11 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

But in the right circumbstances its a beast!

She's a one trick pony, and, simply put, the chances of using her one parlor trick tend to be few and far between.

 

That having been said, it is some trick

[WingedHussar_Adler]

7 minutes ago, lafeel said:

She's a one trick pony, and, simply put, the chances of using her one parlor trick tend to be few and far between.

 

That having been said, it is some trick

iceland lober and smoke abuser.....like light cruisers

[ReverendFlashback]

23 minutes ago, RuneSlayers said:

Or just wait till june for the next coupon?

 

I think I'm going to earn enough coal to get another high tier ship till then.

 

9 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Would help if you explain why they are hard passes. I quite like Tulsa.

I don't like american cruisers. It's actually explained in the op. And Carnot 25 sec reload, no thanks.

 

10 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

FS can be used as a captain trainer for US DDs.

FS should take Main Battery And AA Expert which is waste on the rest of the line.

 

8 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

I’d go for black or neustra honestly. Both are very good. 

Even at full price?

 

Doesn't anybody have something nice to say about Z-44 maybe? 

[MementoMori_6030]

Gerade eben, ReverendFlashback sagte:

Doesn't anybody have something nice to say about Z-44 maybe?

I played it until T9 was ruined by superships smashing you, submarines outspotting you and hybrid battleships joining the aircraft carriers in their effort to make any attempt of stealth futile. It's ok in coop, though. Good torpedo range, fast reload.

[lafeel]

14 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

iceland lober and smoke abuser.....like light cruisers

I'd prefer you not  drag my home country into that. The actual word you're looking for is island, not iceland thank you very much

14 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

Doesn't anybody have something nice to say about Z-44 maybe? 

Not really no. Doesn't bring anything to the table that other tier 9 DD's do better.

[OldPappy]

25 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said:

Even at full price

Yes. In my book yes. 😊

[Khaba_Gandalf]

Vor 39 Minuten, ReverendFlashback sagte:

Even at full price?

Yes, can't answer that for black ( I do own her, but I bought her for steel back in the old days of WG turning her from a ranked reward into a steel ship, when steel wasn't plentiful and my expectation back then was that it would take me ages to get the amount needed for Stalingrad ). So any answer would be highly hypothetical...

 

But I did buy neustra for coal shortly after she was rereleased for coal (she was a steel ship first and way more expensive than Black back then) and I didn't regret it for a second.

 

And with the absurd amount of coal one can grind out over the course of a year between daily containers , battle pass and events, I wouldn't be too bothered about the price tag. Personally I would never use a coupon on a coal ship anyway unless a unused voucher is close to his renewal date and you don't have the steel for a steel ship or whatever is available doesn't fits your Playstyle. Steel is easier to get nowadays than in the past, but that's even more true for coal.

 

[RuneSlayers]

Vor 22 Minuten, ReverendFlashback sagte:

Doesn't anybody have something nice to say about Z-44 maybe? 

Sadly no. She is a pure torp boat with a very fast reload if skilled accordingly. You can spam lots of torps in short periods of time, but the torps do not hit hard. 

 

 

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said:

So, get overprized Neustra or Black without coupon, Z-44 which is mediocre, or Sherman which fails in other categories?

F. Sherman for me, not even close.

 

Granted, I don't have the Black, but beside the smoke+radar gimmick (which is strong, obviously, but very centered around cap-contesting) we're looking at wonky torps (good DPM, stealth and range, abysmal speed) and unreliable damage-dealing potential. I'm sure I'd do well enough with her, but I don't think I'd have a lot of fun.

 

The other two I have played far less combined than the Sherman alone, despite getting her many months later. Sherman has:

• good self-defense capabilities, between the smoke, hydro, Def AA (yes, it helps a bit) and SAP against cruisers
• great damage-farming potential (highest avg dmg for me in a Tier 10 DD, even higher than some BBs...), thanks to SAP and the great ballistics
• slow speed and nigh-unusable torps

Imho she's a great pick. I run range instead of concealment and there's no game where I feel completely useless. Halsey's Confederate talent also procs quite often (again, the range & ballistics allow you to damage multiple distant targets in a typical game), meaning even better reload.

 

Z-44 is...alright, but not in this meta imho. She'd be great with few DDs/subs to have to go through before getting to torp those juicy BBs, but now there's too much screen in the way, and she's plain bad against DDs: poor turret angles and traverse, shells geared towards damaging large targets (improved AP damage & HE penetration, neither of which helps much against DDs), no hydro...

 

Neustra is...frustrating, for me. Good concealment, but it doesn't synergize with the superheal (unless one trades CE for damage skills, I guess...); torps that hit hard, but reload slowly and have poor range; good ballistics, but only 4 guns, etc. She's a good performer but I always get the impression I'm running the wrong build, one way or another.

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, ReverendFlashback said:

I don't like american cruisers. It's actually explained in the op. And Carnot 25 sec reload, no thanks.

That's not an explanation if you want us to point you towards a ship.

Explain why you don't like it, maybe some of those points will help to eliminate other options that are still on the table.

1 hour ago, ReverendFlashback said:

FS should take Main Battery And AA Expert which is waste on the rest of the line.

No you don't, you can play FS perfectly with your normal US DD captain.

Moreover, the captain I dedicated to it doesn't have it. I simply felt I could use my 21 points wiser that that small 5% gain in reload speed.

 

[lafeel]

38 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

I simply felt I could use my 21 points wiser that that small 5% gain in reload speed.

 

It reduces your reload time from 3 seconds to 2,85 (base) or 2,64 to 2,508 with the more dakka module. (and the difference would be even less on FS as she's got a faster reload)

 

When put into that perspective, there are certainly better ways to spend three points..

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

2 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said:

I'm more of a cruiser/dd type of player since bbs bore me to death nowadays and the selction feels godawful (from a pov of what I could need and have already).

 

T9 cruiser wise (which I'd rather get than a T10 for credit making purposes) there's Carnot and Tulsa which are both hard passes for me.

Then we've got Z-44 on dd side,  which is a pretty mediocre ship just by looking at it's stats. Still this manages somehow to be my top pick because: Black and Neustrashimy.

Both look fun and pretty good actually, but the price is downright crazy and my coupon has been already spent. With coupon though, I'd totally get one of those. Also I could use a german captain trainer, so there's that.

 

T10 cruisers... eh. Maybe Yoshino but I've already got 3 japanese premiums for captain training and it does not really shell out cash like a T9 would.

The only other T10 I'd be interested in would be Forrest Sherman. 

Forrest Sherman seems like a pretty good ship and I enjoy smoke farming but not the american tech tree. Again, not a bb player. I don't like their cruisers, but their dds. Problem is, FS is a lousy captain trainer for those.  

 

The upcoming "releases" don't interest me as much either. Maybe Groningen, but I did not play dutch ships at all so far and would end up with a overleveled captain on a untouched line...

Might take months too, until they are there for coal.

 

Feels like i can only do wrong tbh... 

So, get overprized Neustra or Black without coupon, Z-44 which is mediocre, or Sherman which fails in other categories?

 

I would say Balck because borderline OP if youre a good DD captain but wait for a coupon (because almost 300K coal).

 

Sherman also borderline OP and one of my most powerful DD which I have the most fun in (if I have someone spotting for me). Sherman is insane, can get most ships running for the hills when you focus them. A DD dumb enough to walk into youre 5 km hydro is dead in seconds. If you like me put Halsey on it and get Confederate your guns become the Minigun from Hell. I run it with AFT, so I get 15-16 km range which makes it almost like a angry little Smolensk. 

 

Napoli is also a good pick if you dont have it.

2 hours ago, RuneSlayers said:

Or just wait till june for the next coupon?

 

Or this!

2 hours ago, OldPappy said:

I’d go for black or neustra honestly. Both are very good. 
Neustra outspots everything that is a threat to you and outguns everyone else. Good earner! God like heal. 
Black is bordering op with stealth, smoke, radar and DPM. Good earner too!

sherman is tricky to play and leaves you at the mercy of your teammates. But in the right circumbstances its a beast!

 

Black is my next pick, but will probably have to wait for the June couplon.

[RuneSlayers]

Vor 5 Minuten, OldschoolGaming_YouTube sagte:

Black is my next pick, but will probably have to wait for the June couplon.

In June the new coupon is reserved for the Mecklenburg for steel first. But the next one in dezember will be used for the Black too.

 

[SmokinSerj]

3 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

FS can be used as a captain trainer for US DDs.

 

3 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said:

FS should take Main Battery And AA Expert which is waste on the rest of the line.

Then you can train other captains (except dd) and spec them for FS specifically.

[ReverendFlashback]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

Neustra is...frustrating, for me. Good concealment, but it doesn't synergize with the superheal (unless one trades CE for damage skills, I guess...); torps that hit hard, but reload slowly and have poor range; good ballistics, but only 4 guns, etc. She's a good performer but I always get the impression I'm running the wrong build, one way or another.

I thought that too when theory crafting. Either torps suck (aka take forever to reload) or your main battery is on par with minsk at T7 damage output wise. If you build for torps that heal is somewhat pointless, if you don't you're a slow open water gunboat with mediocre dpm. Between black and her, I lean more towards the us ship just because I don't really know how I would set her up.

 

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

That's not an explanation if you want us to point you towards a ship.

Explain why you don't like it, maybe some of those points will help to eliminate other options that are still on the table.

Not a fan of sitting behind a island and getting trashed by cvs as far as their light cruisers are concerned. Heavy Cruisers are a bit better, but I rather play Japanese, Russian or Germans over those.

 

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

No you don't, you can play FS perfectly with your normal US DD captain.

Moreover, the captain I dedicated to it doesn't have it. I simply felt I could use my 21 points wiser that that small 5% gain in reload speed.

I've been talking about the skill that gives 20% extra range, which is usefull when out of smoke given its good ballistics. One is called "Expert", the other one "Specialist". ButI totally don't wonder how to mix up those.

 

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

I would say Balck because borderline OP if youre a good DD captain but wait for a coupon (because almost 300K coal).

 

Sherman also borderline OP and one of my most powerful DD which I have the most fun in (if I have someone spotting for me). Sherman is insane, can get most ships running for the hills when you focus them. A DD dumb enough to walk into youre 5 km hydro is dead in seconds. If you like me put Halsey on it and get Confederate your guns become the Minigun from Hell. I run it with AFT, so I get 15-16 km range which makes it almost like a angry little Smolensk. 

 

Napoli is also a good pick if you dont have it.

I own Napoli and don't like it at all sadly. Pretty terrible with it too.

Black is really crazy expensive given it needs the radar upgrade too, which makes an extra ~12k coal on top.

Probably going for sherman first and getting Black somewhere in june or july. That seems more reasonable.

[Ymustihaveaname]

4 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said:

dd type of player

Marceau — French Tier X destroyer ? Looking at wows numbers, you dont have her? And you have not even listed her, but she is one of the strongest T10 still available DDs? And can train for All the French lines? (you are only at t5 on dd line & t6 cl)

[OldPappy]

2 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Black is my next pick, but will probably have to wait for the June couplon.

I am going for Alvarez next. Do u have it?

[ReverendFlashback]

Ok, I did get Sherman. Really fun. Black is most likely next sometime when the coupon is ready. 

Thanks everyone.