WG needs to change plane spotting

[arttuperkunas]

As per title.

 

As an enjoyer of stealth based DDs like the Shima line, playing right now is not fun, with usually one or even two CVs (though not at top tier) and at least one and sometimes several pseudo CVs (hybrids) in every match.

 

I don't think the damage doing characteristics of hybrid CVs are unbalanced. I don't necessarily even think they're unbalanced at all, they're just miserable to play against due to constant plane spotting, especially together with a real CV, if you are in any ship that relies on stealth (non lighthouse cruisers, most DDs).

 

It is also one of the main reasons why I can't make myself queue up anymore, particularly in randoms.

 

In any case, plane spotting needed to change even without the hybrids around, except for Kearsarge which you didn't really see that often. But now plane spotting really needs to change, or the game isn't much fun for those of us who don't particularly enjoy the World of Warplanes aspects of this game.

[Mr_Damager]

Plane spotting should be removed completely!

The CVs and Hybrids should spot only for themselves (the spotted are still displayed on the minimap). They would still be able to do damage and enjoy the game.

[arttuperkunas]

4 minutes ago, Mr_Damager said:

Plane spotting should be removed completely!

The CVs and Hybrids should spot only for themselves. They would still be able to do damage and enjoy the game.

That’s pretty much my view. Lack of spotting for team would still mean cv players can play their ships effectively, but lessen the boss mode influence of cvs.

[Farheim]

Uhuh, so when all of your DDs rush in and suicide in first 3 mins, which lets be honest is the case in 80% of the games, the entire team will sit in the dark, outspotted and outgunned without any chance of comeback.

[Mr_Damager]

1 minute ago, Farheim said:

Uhuh, so when all of your DDs rush in and suicide in first 3 mins, which lets be honest is the case in 80% of the games, the entire team will sit in the dark, outspotted and outgunned without any chance of comeback.

That's just bad game design then.

[arttuperkunas]

3 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Uhuh, so when all of your DDs rush in and suicide in first 3 mins, which lets be honest is the case in 80% of the games, the entire team will sit in the dark, outspotted and outgunned without any chance of comeback.

My counterpoint - when my cv is a 42% mouthbreather and the enemy cv is competent, what then? Afaic cvs are not some balancing factor in bad matches, quite the opposite. No single ship/player should have that much game influence.

[Farheim]

1 minute ago, Mr_Damager said:

That's just bad game design then.

Yes, DDs are way too important, the most important class in the game. CV more or less balances it and can compensate 1 or 2 bad DDs. But honestly the problem is the DD playerbase which is god awful, lets face it.

3 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

My counterpoint - when my cv is a 42% mouthbreather and the enemy cv is competent, what then?

CV, no matter how bad the player is, still provdies spotting. While a dead DD or one with 42% winrate who just sits behind BBs (or sometimes even CV) - not so much. 

[TheNubination]

As an enjoyer of CVs I like to perma spot Shimas shooting at my team mates from the 1 or 10 lines. Conflicting interests compandre. 

[Hugh_Ruka]

14 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Yes, DDs are way too important, the most important class in the game. CV more or less balances it and can compensate 1 or 2 bad DDs. But honestly the problem is the DD playerbase which is god awful, lets face it.

CV, no matter how bad the player is, still provdies spotting. While a dead DD or one with 42% winrate who just sits behind BBs (or sometimes even CV) - not so much. 

Enlighten us oh mighty Unicum DD main ....

[Mr_Damager]

5 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Yes, DDs are way too important, the most important class in the game. CV more or less balances it and can compensate 1 or 2 bad DDs. But honestly the problem is the DD playerbase which is god awful, lets face it.

CV, no matter how bad the player is, still provdies spotting. While a dead DD or one with 42% winrate who just sits behind BBs (or sometimes even CV) - not so much. 

The thing is that CV spots not only DDs but also everyone else around.

[Farheim]

1 minute ago, Mr_Damager said:

The thing is that CV spots not only DDs but also everyone else around.

CV spots everyone within air concealment range, dd spots everyone within sea concealment range. Your point?..

[arttuperkunas]

6 minutes ago, TheNubination said:

As an enjoyer of CVs I like to perma spot Shimas shooting at my team mates from the 1 or 10 lines. Conflicting interests compandre. 

Ironically, that’s what plane spotting does, force you to play torpedo boats passively/at longer range. So i dont see these as contradicting phenomena.

[TheNubination]

1 minute ago, arttuperkunas said:

Ironically, that’s what plane spotting does, force you to play torpedo boats passively/at longer range. So i dont see these as contradicting phenomena.

Look man, the age of spamming torps unmolested from one side of the map to the other because you managed to sneak by the enemy DD picket is over. Its a new age. The fog of war is lifted. Hellfire rain from the sky.

[arttuperkunas]

In any case can we get back to the matter at hand. My view is that having multiple players with spotting air squads ruins the game fir ships that need stealth to thrive. Issue is not cvs, issue is cvs + hybrid cvs + bad spotting mechanics 

[arttuperkunas]

2 minutes ago, TheNubination said:

Look man, the age of spamming torps unmolested from one side of the map to the other because you managed to sneak by the enemy DD picket is over. Its a new age. The fog of war is lifted. Hellfire rain from the sky.

That makes no sense. Surely a dd who managed to slip past tour team is not spamming torps from the other side of the map by definition?

[Mr_Damager]

1 minute ago, Farheim said:

CV spots everyone within air concealment range, dd spots everyone within sea concealment range. Your point?..

Either plane spotting range should be reduced or the spotting itself should be removed (which shouldn't affect the CV themselves or the minimap).

[Farheim]

Just now, Mr_Damager said:

Either plane spotting range should be reduced or the spotting itself should be removed (which shouldn't affect the CV themselves or the minimap).

Because?..

[J0tt]

Vor 50 Minuten, Mr_Damager sagte:

Plane spotting should be removed completely!

The CVs and Hybrids should spot only for themselves (the spotted are displayed on the minimap). They would still be able to do damage and enjoy the game.

Be careful what you wish for. If plane spotting is removed entirely, you can expect aerial concealment to be nerfed severely across the board and CVs being made 'more effective' against DDs again. Probably by removing the rocket delay and giving them tighter aiming circles.

[Mr_Damager]

4 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Because?..

Read the first post. Cruisers suffer from the constant spotting as well.

[TheNubination]

11 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

That makes no sense. Surely a dd who managed to slip past tour team is not spamming torps from the other side of the map by definition?

 

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[Farheim]

1 minute ago, Mr_Damager said:

Read the first post.

You don't have thoughts of your own? But you gotta have an opinion.

[Mr_Damager]

1 minute ago, Farheim said:

You don't have thoughts of your own? But you gotta have an opinion.

I do. My opinion is the same as OP's.

[Nibenay78]

1 hour ago, Farheim said:

Uhuh, so when all of your DDs rush in and suicide in first 3 mins, which lets be honest is the case in 80% of the games, the entire team will sit in the dark, outspotted and outgunned without any chance of comeback.

Yes, better than permaspot by skypest.

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, Farheim said:

Uhuh, so when all of your DDs Subs rush in and suicide in first 3 mins, which lets be honest is the case in 80% of the games, the entire team will sit in the dark, outspotted and outgunned without any chance of comeback.

Fixed it for you.

 

DDs going extinct replaced by WG's new pampered class.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, Farheim said:

While a dead DD or one with 42% winrate who just sits behind BBs (or sometimes even CV) - not so much.  

 

I just leave this here.

 

I have yet to see an AFKer archieve lower win rate with a DD. Why is this? Because CVs have a much greater impact on the result of the match than anyone else.

 

We already proposed the "spot only on the minimap" idea quite a while ago, but this was apparently not to WG balans department liking, so they canned it and "look for another solution"