Made a mistake and decided to return to game.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

On 2/15/2023 at 5:46 PM, Panzer_Guido said:

ah...the days when cruiser AA was a thing. Long past they are.

I just leave this here....

 

Yeah, full AA build. I mean, if I improve my dps by 10% it doesn't matter, because 1.1*0 is still 0 - it remains anemic. If there is a ship where you can skill into trash things - here it is.

 

[Siagor]

On 2/15/2023 at 5:46 PM, Panzer_Guido said:

ah...the days when cruiser AA was a thing. Long past they are.

 

In the early days, when I reached Cleveland every ship suddenly wanted to be mates with me. "Just sail close to me, please!" 

Sweet memories.

[Lootboxer]

56 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I just leave this here....

 

Yeah, full AA build. I mean, if I improve my dps by 10% it doesn't matter, because 1.1*0 is still 0 - it remains anemic. If there is a ship where you can skill into trash things - here it is.

 

it's Kaga, this abomination can afford throwing planes away at your puffs like there's no tomorrow.

[Sunleader]

5 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I just leave this here....

 

Yeah, full AA build. I mean, if I improve my dps by 10% it doesn't matter, because 1.1*0 is still 0 - it remains anemic. If there is a ship where you can skill into trash things - here it is.

 

 

If You want a Good AA Cruiser on T8 take Baltimore.

Its got a Very Strong AA Suite.

Gets Access to the AA Defense Consumable.

With Concealment Skills and Module its Air Detection is so close to the AA Range that Spotting it without being in AA Range is next to Impossible for a CV.

It has Decent Guns with Decent Range to not be out of the Battle by Playing as an AA Escort.

And its also a Great Escort against DDs and Submarines. Thanks to Availablitly of Radar that goes beyond its own Sea Detection Range. Meaning DDs cannot sneak up on it without being Radared. And Depth Charge Airstrike also means it can Fight Submarines without being Forced to Drive over it.

 

Its Incredible Annoying for CVs to Deal with a Baltimore that has taken up Residence on a Forward Island or between Enemy Ships.

Because Killing it Generally takes Half the Match or Longer and Striking other Targets around it gets you Deplaned very Quickly.

 

On T8 I actually dont know any other Cruiser thats as Good in Escort Role as Baltimore.

Albeit then again. Playing Escort is Generally more of a Meme Role rather than Meta. So I guess thats not exactly Surprising.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

If You want a Good AA Cruiser on T8 take Baltimore.

Tiger '59 just doesn't give me the option to deal much damage, so I can skill into things I wouldn't with baltimore. Also def AA is not exchangeable for the more useful hydro, so you're not tempted here, either. The smoke/radar combination is also convenient and basically the smoke is still the best counter to CVs, because of the casual spotting to death.

 

YMMV

[Sunleader]

41 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Tiger '59 just doesn't give me the option to deal much damage, so I can skill into things I wouldn't with baltimore. Also def AA is not exchangeable for the more useful hydro, so you're not tempted here, either. The smoke/radar combination is also convenient and basically the smoke is still the best counter to CVs, because of the casual spotting to death.

 

YMMV

 

Mate.

The Comment was about being a good "AA Cruiser"

Its nice that Tiger can do alot of Damage to other Ships and Smoke up to hide from Aircraft as well as using Hydro to Evade Torps etc. But You are not giving any useful AA Cover. So You are not an AA Cruiser. :)

 

[Redcap375]

On 2/15/2023 at 4:16 PM, Sunleader said:

 

Close. But not a Cigar.

You are making this way too Complicated Killian.

 

The Point is that from the very Start the Game is NOT Balanced with the Intention of every Ship being Equally Strong against every other Ship.

All Ships in the Game have Roles which come with Advantages and Disadvantages depending on the Situation.

Thats where You got close to what I wanted to Demonstrate.

Due to these Advantages and Disadvantages. You always have cases where a Ship is Superior or Inferior depending on the Situation and Enemy it is Faced with.

 

If for example You had a Match of a Team with only BBs vs a Team with only Cruisers. The BBs would most likely Win Hands Down.

This is because the Weaknesses of the BBs which is Slow Maneuvering and Inability to Outspot other Ships doesnt really matter while at the same time their Strong Points of Big Guns and Thick Armor are Fully coming into Play.

Likewise the Cruisers Strong Points like having Radar/Hydro Paired with Fast Firing Guns are almost useless here while the Cruisers Weaknesses like Exposed Citadels and Short Ranged Torpedoes will make them exceedingly Vulnearble against BBs.

 

But The Game is not Played this way.

The Game is Balanced around all classes being Present.

This means that Your Half of Your Class needing other Classes for certain Jobs that they are bad at themselves is True.

But it also means that if You Remove a Class that You are Bad against. You also create an Unbalanced Situation because this Class You are Bad against Changes depending on your Class.

 

 

TLDR

If Everyone could Choose to Exclude Classes You would end up with each Shipclass only Playing against itself.

Because it will Exclude the Classes it is weak against and will be Excluded by the Classes that its strong against.

 

Look at 1 vs 1 brawls? Game designed on all classes being present? Hummm. Brawls highlight the fact that's defo not the case and inferior class can own, quite frequently, their superiors ones. 

 

The thought that all classes have roles died in 2017. DDs that don't spot and cap, BBs that don't tank and cruisers that don't support. That's not the players fault, it's how WG designed them. 

 

They are all mixed up now where a CL can happily kill a BB from full health and a CV can dumpster a DD in 2 drops. As DDs can kill a CL, a sub can shotgun a DD and a radar BB can kill a DD. 

 

Think your being very naieve with those comments. 

 

A light crusiers job was to AA support, DD hunting and Anti sub warfare right? AA means nothing now, chasing a Sub is suicide and trying to kill some DDs on your own will result in your becoming worse off. 

 

A BB role was to kill other BBs and wipe out crusiers, yet here we are with BB killing crusiers, both heavy and light. 

 

What Real life CV would focus their entire squadron of planes to hunt a lone DD with a fleet of BBs around? Yet here we are with DD killing CVs. 

 

No, the game is mixed up regarding roles to the point that WG has simply gave up on that one. 

 

Oh and I can dumpster a Balti in a FDR with the same squad. Avoid pre programed flank = dead ship. 

[Redcap375]

14 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I just leave this here....

 

Yeah, full AA build. I mean, if I improve my dps by 10% it doesn't matter, because 1.1*0 is still 0 - it remains anemic. If there is a ship where you can skill into trash things - here it is.

 

 

AA died with the rework. 

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

Look at 1 vs 1 brawls? Game designed on all classes being present? Hummm. Brawls highlight the fact that's defo not the case. 

 

Fallacy.

WG has Repeatedly made Clear. Its Balancing is done by the Primary Gamemode which is Randoms.

1 vs 1 Brawls etc are Events. They are not Balanced by default.

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

The thought that all classes have roles died in 2017. DDs that don't spot and cap, BBs that don't tank and cruisers that don't support. That's not the players fault, it's how WG designed them. 

 

Fallacy.

Just because Different Ships in the Same Class can have Different Roles. Does not mean they have to have Different Roles.

Most DDs, Cruisers and BBs still adhere to their Original Roles.

Just because there is Exceptions does not change that.

 

And WG is not a God. They cannot Force Players to Play the way they want them to.

Would not be much of a Game then either.

 

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

They are all mixed up now where a CL can happily kill a BB from full health and a CV can dumpster a DD in 2 drops. As DDs can kill a CL, a sub can shotgun a DD and a radar BB can kill a DD. 

 

Its an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation. BBs are not Supposed to and have never been Immune to CLs in the Game. But all of the Examples You Named are very Rare and by no means the Rule.

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

Think your being very naieve with those comments. 

 

Not Really. You are just very Biased and seem to want this to be a Different Game.

 

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

A light crusiers job was to AA support, DD hunting and Anti sub warfare right? AA means nothing now, chasing a Sub is suicide and trying to kill some DDs on your own will result in your becoming worse off. 

 

If You are Talking about Reality. Then the Answer is the same as above.

This is an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation. Deal with it.

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

A BB role was to kill other BBs and wipe out crusiers, yet here we are with BB killing crusiers, both heavy and light. 

 

And who Said that a Cruiser cannot Kill a BB ?

Again Mate.

This is an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation.

 

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

What Real life CV would focus their entire squadron of planes to hunt a lone DD with a fleet of BBs around? Yet here we are with DD killing CVs. 

 

See Above.

This is an Arcade Game. Reality is Inconsequential.

If You want Realism Play a Simulation.

 

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

No, the game is mixed up regarding roles to the point that WG has simply gave up on that one. 

 

WG never Tried this.

This is an Arcade Game. Not Reality.

 

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

Oh and I can dumpster a Balti in a FDR with the same squad. Avoid pre programed flank = dead ship. 

 

Baltimore is a T8 Cruiser while FDR is a T10 CV.

So FDR being Stronger is Perfectly Normal.

My Minotaur would also Easily Deplane Your Lexington.

 

BUT.

 

I actually Doubt that. And If you want. We can Test this.

I take my Baltimore. You take Your FDR. And You can Try Sinking me with a Single Squadron.

 

I would Estimate. That You will need at least 3 to 4 Squadrons to Sink me.

 

 

[WarburtonLee]

Le 23/02/2023 à 20:15, Sunleader a dit :

 

Its an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation. BBs are not Supposed to and have never been Immune to CLs in the Game.

 

This is an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation. Deal with it.

 

This is an Arcade Game. Not a Simulation.

 

This is an Arcade Game. Reality is Inconsequential.

 

This is an Arcade Game. Not Reality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in this arcade game that you are speaking of, why are there a class that is immune to every other class if they have a brain, can strike all over the map, while spotting, and never fear any retaliation? In a arcade game, for it to be any fun, there should be balance among the different classes, right?

[edit], but even you should see this. Or i guess not

[Sunleader]

15 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

And in this arcade game that you are speaking of, why are there a class that is immune to every other class if they have a brain, can strike all over the map, while spotting, and never fear any retaliation? In a arcade game, for it to be any fun, there should be balance among the different classes, right?

I know you are full of absolute cr*p, but even you should see this. Or i guess not

 

You Talking about DDs, Subs or CVs there ?

Because Supposedly all 3 of them can do that.

 

Of Course I know You only care about CVs and thus Talk about CVs.

And of Course I also know you are Wrong because just like a Frensh BB wont Drive to the Map Border and Shoot at others from 27km away. A CV wont be Driving to the Map Border and then Fly 3-4 Minutes for Each Drop.

Because while indeed they are then Safe from Retaliation until the Team is Completely gone and the Enemy can get closer.

But they also become entirely Ineffective and useless.

[WarburtonLee]

4 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

You Talking about DDs, Subs or CVs there ?

Because Supposedly all 3 of them can do that.

 

Of Course I know You only care about CVs and thus Talk about CVs.

And of Course I also know you are Wrong because just like a Frensh BB wont Drive to the Map Border and Shoot at others from 27km away. A CV wont be Driving to the Map Border and then Fly 3-4 Minutes for Each Drop.

Because while indeed they are then Safe from Retaliation until the Team is Completely gone and the Enemy can get closer.

But they also become entirely Ineffective and useless.

Haha, you actually think that other classes than CV can strike all over the map while spotting and not fear retaliation.... There is no hope

[woppy101]

Games a joke now it not even fun to play, CV and sub Cancer have ruined it 

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Zip...

 

Well your right about one thing.  It definitely is an arcade game, 100%  

[woppy101]

Shock horror, every game this morning sub and CV cancer, it’s not even funny anymore 

[woppy101]

Just had three great games, all had one thing in common, no sky cancer, no sub cancer