Why is the Kamikaze in tier 5? I think it's the most powerful ship in the t5 and it's extremely powerful. am i the only one who thinks like that?

[BM_SAMET_PT]

All kamikaze players are experienced players. Novices can't beat kamikazes. In the two days I play Langley, the kamikaze teams come to my games and they win the game on their own. 

idk. I just think they are balanced and not overpowered for tier 5.

i think wg needs to fix it somehow. because new players can't sink kamikazes

[imoenbg1]

The best part about is is that Kami is not even the most OP tier 5 ship :)

 

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[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 11 Minuten, BM_SAMET_PT sagte:

All kamikaze players are experienced players.

I have done a lot of T5 Brawls recently, and I can assure you that most Kamikaze players were very, very bad. Having a Kamikaze does not equal experience, and experience does not equal competence. It felt like it were mostly bad players who resorted to the Kamikaze. Of course, there are also good players who do not really need the advantage but like the ship (and cannot change her tier).

[MrWastee]

40 minutes ago, BM_SAMET_PT said:

All kamikaze players are experienced players.

wrong. any bob with money can buy-in for kami via santa crates.

 

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Novices can't beat kamikazes.

novices can beat any ship that is played by another novice. no matter the ship, if a skillgap is relevant the ships only matter secondarily.

 

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In the two days I play Langley, the kamikaze teams come to my games and they win the game on their own. 

so.... u play cv's and complain about something being op. well, langley might not be THE powerhouse per se cv-wise, still u ruin everyone else's game. nope, i still dont like cv's....

 

 

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idk. I just think they are balanced and not overpowered for tier 5.

i think cv's are not balanced and op to the game. btw, do u even know how many AA mounts a kami got?! it's like 2 (is it ?!).... the ship literally has no defence against ur planes. NONE!.... while u only need to gitgud to score hits.

 

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i think wg needs to fix it somehow. because new players can't sink kamikazes

back in the day techtree minekaze was considered the better ship btw lol, coz it was the very same in every regard, plus had a whoopy AA rating of 1 higher. new players "can't sink" anything in this regard. ofc kami can be borderline op >IF PLAYED OUT RIGHT<. but same goes for cesare, agincourt (as long no cv is in lol), exeter, ... and. kinda. every. single. cv. ingame...........................................

 

NEIN!

[KillStealBoss]

Minekaze in the past had the same torps as today Kamikaze. Even worse, the T4 Isokaze had such torps. Imagine that.

Minekaze was for free, and as a bonus it was a faster ship than Kamikaze. So the only upside of Kamikaze was the premium status, so you could switch commanders. 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, BM_SAMET_PT said:

All kamikaze players are experienced players. Novices can't beat kamikazes.

And now you know why the ship performs that well. It is not the ship, it is the players.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

1 hour ago, BM_SAMET_PT said:

All kamikaze players are experienced players. Novices can't beat kamikazes. In the two days I play Langley, the kamikaze teams come to my games and they win the game on their own. 

idk. I just think they are balanced and not overpowered for tier 5.

i think wg needs to fix it somehow. because new players can't sink kamikazes

Not all players are good but if its a good player it can be devastating

 

 

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[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

while u only need to gitgud to score hits. 

 

Players in DD/CA/BB is not the player, its the ship being OP.

If a CV player is good, its not the CV being OP - its the player being good.

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, BM_SAMET_PT said:

because new players can't sink kamikazes

Best counter is a quicker ship. Kamizakes do not like being spotted or getting into gun fights and their limited torp range means they can be pushed back out of effective range by a decent opponent.  Minekaze, Podvoisky, Jaguar, Visby,  Maestrale, Hill are all faster, and most have speed boost and survivability tools available that the Kami sisters don't have. The problem most people have (and this was true back when I played Randoms) is that the Kami is a ship worth investing in, and so many of her players will have high-skill captains, 16pts +,  with RPF running, and that makes her a hard ship to catch if the player is competent.

[Captain_Breeze]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

any bob with money can buy-in for kami via santa crates.

That's not a guaranteed way. So a bit unfair to say you get it that way.

 

I've been playing a long time now, and would love the Kamikazi, but not gonna pay for crates on the off chance......I think you would agree.

[ReverendFlashback]

51 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said:

Minekaze in the past had the same torps as today Kamikaze. Even worse, the T4 Isokaze had such torps. Imagine that.

Minekaze was for free, and as a bonus it was a faster ship than Kamikaze. So the only upside of Kamikaze was the premium status, so you could switch commanders. 

I've played Minekaze at that time and it was op as hell even if you did not really now what you were doing.

Had 60k average dmg and a really good winrate with it despite NOT remembering ever going for a cap.

Just sneak upon someone, drop torps, watch them blow up, next target.

That's all I did with it and with great success.

It was changed for a reason and it shouldn't be in the game in its current form.

 

Gulio, however, annoys me even more...

[Yedwy]

2 hours ago, BM_SAMET_PT said:

All kamikaze players are experienced players. Novices can't beat kamikazes. In the two days I play Langley, the kamikaze teams come to my games and they win the game on their own. 

idk. I just think they are balanced and not overpowered for tier 5.

i think wg needs to fix it somehow. because new players can't sink kamikazes

So ie you are sealclubbing and you are salty about other people doing it?

[MrWastee]

19 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

That's not a guaranteed way. So a bit unfair to say you get it that way.

 

I've been playing a long time now, and would love the Kamikazi, but not gonna pay for crates on the off chance......I think you would agree.

but it is ^^.... just a matter of input! if u throw money in like crazy u will get it, thx to guaranteed drops in doubt!

 

someone who did play the crate game from the very start ofc has a different setting to get-go than a new player ofc, changes nothing about in the end for both it's just gonna be a matter of input/time.

this translates to like the old player might needs to throw like a few hundred on x-mas to fill up the collection, while for a new player possibly we're talking like k's of bucks (i really dont advice to do so!!!)....

 

way too much money can get it. as any other ship from the crates' list.

 

*on a note, even though it's labelled rare, the chance to score a kami is probably the highest out of rare ships? simply coz it comes x3! along the roll of x ships being in the roll only once, kami is in 3 times/under 3 names...

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, ReverendFlashback said:

I've played Minekaze at that time and it was op as hell even if you did not really now what you were doing.

Had 60k average dmg and a really good winrate with it despite NOT remembering ever going for a cap.

Just sneak upon someone, drop torps, watch them blow up, next target.

That's all I did with it and with great success.

It was changed for a reason and it shouldn't be in the game in its current form.

That why you had 60k average damage, since you did not go for the cap.

And still the old Minekaze was not the best performing ship on her Tier back then...

[Captain_Breeze]

Hi @MrWastee

 

I agree you are technically correct.

 

What I'm trying to say is, it's not like actually buying the ship as a singular payment to get the ship.

 

The crate drop will eventually give you the ship, but, "normal" or "sensible" people would not do this. It's impractical. And I would consider myself a lunatic for using that route to get the ship.  

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Minekaze is nonetheless my top pick for a tier 5 DD.

[ReverendFlashback]

27 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That why you had 60k average damage, since you did not go for the cap.

And still the old Minekaze was not the best performing ship on her Tier back then...

Not really. I mean yeah, it was a factor, but I think I wouldn't be able to average 60k with a Nicholas... today, with vastly improved skills and knowledge.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, ReverendFlashback said:

Not really. I mean yeah, it was a factor, but I think I wouldn't be able to average 60k with a Nicholas... today, with vastly improved skills and knowledge.

Damage is not relevant, it is relevant in which ship you win more. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

i think it must be deleted from game after 5 years in it with al lthe cvs, subs, t11 ships...and anything that kills me...it is all op

[SurfaceFish]

She is a torpedo boat, a very good even OP torpedo boat. But as a torpedo boat she suffers as all other torpedo boats that depending on positioning of red team, you can get shut off from been effective in game, if the red team have stronger DD and cruisers in front of their BB and not played by potatoes. 
 

I think Siroco is probably one of the most OP DD at T5, vs Kamikaze, as she can outfight other DD even T6 DD. Had good luck in her in random and ranked so far.
 

[lovelacebeer]

The Kami is a very potent ship in the hands of an experienced player especially when pitted against total novices. 
 

Still she’s very vulnerable if the enemy CV spots her for their team, and like all Japanese torp DDs you need the enemy to cooperate and sail in straight lines for prolonged periods of time. 

[bushwacker001]

4 hours ago, MrWastee said:

i think cv's are not balanced and op to the game. btw, do u even know how many AA mounts a kami got?! it's like 2 (is it ?!).... the ship literally has no defence against ur planes. NONE!.... while u only need to gitgud to score hits.

 

I'll have you know I average 1 plane kill every 200 battles in my Kami. Their AA IS OP. 

[beginnerr]

kamik and fujin are one of the most OP ships in whole game.

V tier is boring, ..but with kam, its best. you simply kill all

 

but nedless to say, with this ship..YOU are responsible to battle result. and yuo cann never blame team...

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, beginnerr said:

kamik and fujin are one of the most OP ships in whole game.

V tier is boring, ..but with kam, its best. you simply kill all

 

but nedless to say, with this ship..YOU are responsible to battle result. and yuo cann never blame team...

It is called seal-clubbing. Other people do that with a New York.

[peterthegreeksailor]

7 hours ago, imoenbg1 said:

The best part about is is that Kami is not even the most OP tier 5 ship :)

 

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Giulio Cesare the only ship i hate and love at the same time!Its the only god of Tier 5 ! The kami is just an old school destroyer that only experienced player use for seal clubbing!