CV+2 Delaware Division

[neverbright]

Just happened to be on the receiving side of this combo two times. Something needs to be done for hybrids.

 

Might not be OP but when they chose you to farm you out, you cannot get anything done anymore. What you are at that point is nothing more than a sentient xp pinata because you are doing nothing more than to dodge.

 

Not very fun.

[endlessBoogie]

Just perform a simple maneuver

[doerhoff_damian]

I guess the Game will be very interresting when you face an Enemy Team with a CV, Hybrid-BBs, Hybrid-Cruisers, Hybrid-DDs and Hybrid-Subs

[Miscommunication_dept]

27 minutes ago, endlessBoogie said:

Just perform a simple maneuver

THREE simple manoeuvres! 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

47 minutes ago, neverbright said:

Just happened to be on the receiving side of this combo two times. Something needs to be done for hybrids.

 

Might not be OP but when they chose you to farm you out, you cannot get anything done anymore. What you are at that point is nothing more than a sentient xp pinata because you are doing nothing more than to dodge.

 

Not very fun.

Yeah, wasent hard to predict .... unless youre WG.... It will be a shitshow for tyhe foreseeable future. Only solution is end the game and play another one that bring enjoyment.

 

Im looking forward to 1 CV and 3-man Louisiana div on my flank.... it will be amazing (said no one)

34 minutes ago, endlessBoogie said:

Just perform a simple maneuver

Yup, exit game and play something else

32 minutes ago, doerhoff_damian said:

I guess the Game will be very interresting when you face an Enemy Team with a CV, Hybrid-BBs, Hybrid-Cruisers, Hybrid-DDs and Hybrid-Subs

WOW 2023 folks! You won't see any enemys ..... but they will strike you over and over .... have fun!

[Panzer_Guido]

what is the worst that could happen? 

 

CV + 4 hybrid BBs + 2 subs + various other hybrids. +1 idiot in a regular cruiser (me) that didnt get the memo and dies first. sounds like fun. But people complaining about subs/CVs are just a vocal minority^^

[Cammo1962]

32 minutes ago, Panzer_Guido said:

what is the worst that could happen? 

 

CV + 4 hybrid BBs + 2 subs + various other hybrids. +1 idiot in a regular cruiser (me) that didnt get the memo and dies first. sounds like fun. But people complaining about subs/CVs are just a vocal minority^^

I did not know if i should give the thump up for what you just wrote or laugh at the highlighted but ended up giving you a thump up 

[Shepke]

I guess, division of 2 "Louisiana" + SuperCV could bring more joy than topic starter's case.

 

[tocqueville8]

Yeah.

 

On a similar note, yesterday I saw the classic "899 div" torturing some poor sap playing our Lexington, a 45% player who wasn't going to hurt anyone. They even got First Blood on him: I'm sure he had a fun & engaging experience. Just another div being toxic, frankly 

 

EDIT: why is everyone laughing? It wasn't funny 

[SurfaceFish]

So what WG don't care, they designed this mess. 

 

You might be upset, but 3 others players on that div had fun. So +2 outcome for WG

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, neverbright said:

Just happened to be on the receiving side of this combo two times. Something needs to be done for hybrids.

 

Might not be OP but when they chose you to farm you out, you cannot get anything done anymore. What you are at that point is nothing more than a sentient xp pinata because you are doing nothing more than to dodge.

 

Not very fun.

 

Do you realise if your opponents have 2 T10 hybrid BBs who are hidden behind islands trying to play as carriers, your team has won because it has 2 extra active battleships?

 

Please all of you who complaining tell me what is better to have as opponents 

 

a) Two Louisiana's who are hidden behind island, trying every 2-3 minutes (135knt speed is very slow for airplanes) to drop some pathetic bombs that barely scratch the paint?

or 

b) Two Montana or Vermont  who shoot you 4-6 times EACH with all their guns during the same time?

[Wulf_Ace]

22 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

 

Do you realise if your opponents have 2 T10 hybrid BBs who are hidden behind islands trying to play as carriers, your team has won because it has 2 extra active battleships?

 

Please all of you who complaining tell me what is better to have as opponents 

 

a) Two Louisiana's who are hidden behind island, trying every 2-3 minutes (135knt speed is very slow for airplanes) to drop some pathetic bombs that barely scratch the paint?

or 

b) Two Montana or Vermont  who shoot you 4-6 times EACH with all their guns during the same time?

and who is saying that they are hiding behind an island?? They can shoot their guns you know.

[Mrs_Ragdoll]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

and who is saying that they are hiding behind an island?? They can shoot their guns you know.

 

Indeed, I got my first and only hybrid from a Santa crate (Kearsarge). I play her just the same as normal BBs and I fire my guns and then when there's a enemy nearby at max 15 km, I launch my planes immediately after firing a salvo, steer my ship if needed by placing a waypoint on the minimap  (autopilot), strike enemy fast and fire guns again since they are reloaded in this time. I never ever sit behind an island and camp there but I do see other people doing that unfortunately. They rely on plane attacks too much and meanwhile don't do much damage in the end. The guns are still way more effective so pls don't play hybrids as a CV by sitting somewhere useless and almost never fire the guns.

[300ConfirmedKills]

[JohnMac79]

[Lootboxer]

6 hours ago, doerhoff_damian said:

I guess the Game will be very interresting when you face an Enemy Team with a CV, Hybrid-BBs, Hybrid-Cruisers, Hybrid-DDs and Hybrid-Subs

World of Warplanes failed badly so they are moving resources around

[Fediuld]

5 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

and who is saying that they are hiding behind an island?? They can shoot their guns you know.

If they shoot with guns, they cannot use airplanes. 

If they use airplanes, they cannot shoot with guns for the duration of the flight which is many times longer than the time it takes to reload their guns, except if their target is in front of their face as less than 4km. 

They do not have the FOF (Fire and Forget) RTS attack of the Dutch cruisers, the airplanes have to be physically piloted like with the carriers. 

 

Also, because I play with carriers too, have better idea how hybrid BB players behave in battle through observation during the battle. The significant majority are playing with the bombers as their main source of damage. Almost half are using the extra concealment to hide their BB behind islands in the middle of the map and use airplanes. Peeking out, take a shot with their guns one every 2-3 minutes. 

And I feel sorry for them as they are easy pickings for the carriers and DD while having their bombers up. They do not even have the ability to activate their AA reinforcement, nor turn like a normal carrier player when sees enemy strike airplanes coming to them. These are free kills unfortunately feeling sorry for them. 

WG idea to add them in the game is stupid at best, as game mechanics do not allow for that kind of play on a battlefield that is already saturated with DDs, subs, and carriers. 

Hybrid BBs should have worked like the Dutch cruisers. But people would have complained that the Dutch cruisers doing more damage with their airplanes than the hybrid BBs. 

 

3 hours ago, Mrs_Ragdoll said:

 

Indeed, I got my first and only hybrid from a Santa crate (Kearsarge). I play her just the same as normal BBs and I fire my guns and then when there's a enemy nearby at max 15 km, I launch my planes immediately after firing a salvo,

 

One note.

Kearsarge rocket airplanes have 50% higher speed than the bombers the tech tree hybrid battleships have, while the later have almost 50% faster gun reload than the former. 

 

With the tech tree hyb-BB any distances to use the bombers on target over 4km are waste of time as the guns have reloaded long ago. They only make sense to be used when there is no spotted targets at your gun range. Anyone trying to use them to bomb someone at 7km+ like they do, they effectively removed their battleship from play. 

 

[159Hunter]

 

1 hour ago, Fediuld said:

If they shoot with guns, they cannot use airplanes. 

If they use planes, you cannot hide.

Also, they can finish off a low health target and the fact that there are three sets of planes increases the bar of what is to be considered a killable target/

1 hour ago, Fediuld said:

If they use airplanes, they cannot shoot with guns for the duration of the flight which is many times longer than the time it takes to reload their guns, except if their target is in front of their face as less than 4km. 

They do not have the FOF (Fire and Forget) RTS attack of the Dutch cruisers, the airplanes have to be physically piloted like with the carriers. 

If you can attack threats on your flank that are angled towards your guns you will do more damage than the few non fired salvos would do.

There is an added bonus: enemy tries to evade the planes and gives broadside: insta release planes and smash him is an option.

1 hour ago, Fediuld said:

Also, because I play with carriers too, have better idea how hybrid BB players behave in battle through observation during the battle.

A CV player claiming to have better situational awareness than other players who are not playing the plane minigame.

Too bad, for you, your CV results negate this claim.

1 hour ago, Fediuld said:

And I feel sorry for them as they are easy pickings for the carriers and DD while having their bombers up. They do not even have the ability to activate their AA reinforcement, nor turn like a normal carrier player when sees enemy strike airplanes coming to them. These are free kills unfortunately feeling sorry for them. 

Yes, just like CVs are poor targets when in plane minimode... It's not like they can just insta transport back to their ship if the situation becomes to dangerous.

 

 

OP, let me give you a sneak preview on WG's answer: "our data show that this is a very uncommon event that is not impacting gameplay, as such we see no need to address this (non existing) issue"

[RuneSlayers]

Vor 12 Stunden, endlessBoogie sagte:

Just perform a simple maneuver

That only works against subs 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

12 hours ago, neverbright said:

Just happened to be on the receiving side of this combo two times. Something needs to be done for hybrids.

 

Might not be OP but when they chose you to farm you out, you cannot get anything done anymore. What you are at that point is nothing more than a sentient xp pinata because you are doing nothing more than to dodge.

 

Not very fun.

so it starts.....after CVs, subs, we will have hybrids whyining :) :) :)

[Panocek]

Where are times of CV+Kearsage gaming...

[Varian_Dorn]

We have this prospect for quite some time in the game now, you know. Strangely enough noone complained - or for that matter, played - the 2x Ise + CV combo. Which in my book is actually even more devastating as AA at that tier is not very good and Ise carries torpedo bombers.

 

But then again the more interesting ships and combos are often at or around T10. Will be funny to see double hybrid + Eagle. Although I have to agree with the more reasonable minds here: such a specialised team has strong advantages but also clear flaws.

[ReDiR20]

They are still balanced for a tier, so I don't see a problem. Basically the other team had a gimped BB with limited firepower

[Hugh_Ruka]

22 minutes ago, Varian_Dorn said:

We have this prospect for quite some time in the game now, you know. Strangely enough noone complained - or for that matter, played - the 2x Ise + CV combo. Which in my book is actually even more devastating as AA at that tier is not very good and Ise carries torpedo bombers.

 

But then again the more interesting ships and combos are often at or around T10. Will be funny to see double hybrid + Eagle. Although I have to agree with the more reasonable minds here: such a specialised team has strong advantages but also clear flaws.

You cannot compare the availability of techtree ships to premiums ... the USN hybrids will be more widely available ...

[Dutchy_2019]

11 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Yeah.

 

On a similar note, yesterday I saw the classic "899 div" torturing some poor sap playing our Lexington, a 45% player who wasn't going to hurt anyone. They even got First Blood on him: I'm sure he had a fun & engaging experience. Just another div being toxic, frankly 

Of course he had fun, spreadsheet said so.

 

That said, IIRC WG has come out publicly to say that they consider those kinds of divs toxic and unsportsmanlike. I have yet to see something similar concerning CV - hybrid combo’s, CV + double sub divs, for example.

 

But then again, WG Devs have proven time and again they do not care about toxic divs and toxic MM.