[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #26 Posted February 6 10 minutes ago, Farheim said: I wasn't monitoring everything WG says, so you could also enlighten me and provide some source of that. Preferably something that wasn't said 10 years ago. Oh sweet summer child....there is a video in which a Weegee person( i don't recall exaclty his status) quite infamously says that subs dont belong to the game and those killed off another, also naval game. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #27 Posted February 6 39 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said: Yes i am sure it was a "working game", before the CV rework, after that less working, and after subs even less "working". Diverity is NOT a strenght, it is a way for WG to mess up the balance even more. Subs is another class that mess with CE of all ships, and do not have any place in a game of Surface naval combat. Next time I throw up I must point out the 'diversity'. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #28 Posted February 6 (edited) 20 ore fa, WarburtonLee ha scritto: the game is no longer surface only. It was never surface only? CVs exist at least since 2017 (that's when I've started playing, I'm too lazy to check when they were first added). And as for subs, I distinctly remember them first popping up sometime in 2018-2019 on a Halloween event so it was obvious already back then that subs WILL be added. [CONTENT REMOVED BY MODERATION 20 ore fa, WarburtonLee ha scritto: but i guess a google search probably finds it Nope. Edited February 7 by Floppyz 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #29 Posted February 6 14 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said: . I dont have the source, but i guess a google search probably finds it This clip is probably what many of us have seen. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #30 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said: This clip is probably what many of us have seen. Yea that's what I meant saying 'Preferably something that wasn't said 10 years ago.' 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #31 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Farheim said: Yea that's what I meant saying 'Preferably something that wasn't said 10 years ago.' Why does the year matter? Are we not talking about the same game any more, or at least what's left of it after years of incompetent tampering? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #32 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said: Why does the year matter Well it was okay to say some particular words 100 years ago but now it's a borderline crime in some countries that can get you fired and your life ruined. See what I mean? 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #33 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Farheim said: Well it was okay to say some particular words 100 years ago but now it's a borderline crime in some countries that can get you fired and your life ruined. See what I mean? No. No I don't. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] WarburtonLee Players 784 posts 11,585 battles Report post #34 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, Farheim said: Yea that's what I meant saying 'Preferably something that wasn't said 10 years ago.' How has anything he said changed? Small, practically invisible unless you get into hydro (which doesnt work even lol) with devastating firepower. For the sake of GAMEPLAY, they choose not to implement them. We have DDs for the scouting stealth role, and a class that outspots the scout is just BS. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #35 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Farheim said: Yea that's what I meant saying 'Preferably something that wasn't said 10 years ago.' Unless the game hasn't fundamentally changed ( and didn't) what is the counterargument? I mean other than "oh i wan it now!" 15 minutes ago, Farheim said: And as for subs, I distinctly remember them first popping up sometime in 2018-2019 on a Halloween event so it was obvious already back then that subs WILL be added. Nope. Beside everybody and their mother agrees that subs, in their own mode, would be fun and a great addition to the game. Except here we are... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #36 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said: No. No I don't. Aight aight, daddy promised to be sweet. Point is, times change, game's changing, what seemed ridiculous or unrealistic 10 years ago now turns out to be fun and engaging. Like 6 years ago having 457 guns on a T10 battleships was considered to be the main selling point of that ship. Now 406 (or smaller) guns on T10 BBs are considered to be a massive drawback that needs to be compensated by other gimmicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #37 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, Farheim said: Well it was okay to say some particular words 100 years ago but now it's a borderline crime in some countries that can get you fired and your life ruined. See what I mean? That's blatantly false. The world and our understanding of it have changed magnitude orders from 100 years. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #38 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, Farheim said: ....now turns out to be fun and engaging That's again blatantly false. You may enjoy praying on defenseless targets, but that doesn't mean that the target also enjoys it. Let's maintain a modicum of honesty, ok? Besides you still didn't answered my facts:) ( not that you actually could) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] WarburtonLee Players 784 posts 11,585 battles Report post #39 Posted February 6 Just now, Farheim said: Aight aight, daddy promised to be sweet. Point is, times change, game's changing, what seemed ridiculous or unrealistic 10 years ago now turns out to be fun and engaging. Like 6 years ago having 457 guns on a T10 battleships was considered to be the main selling point of that ship. Now 406 (or smaller) guns on T10 BBs are considered to be a massive drawback that needs to be compensated by other gimmicks. Are you for real? What is fun and engaging about subs? The worst thing i see in every discussion, is people trying to make an argument with "times change" what the actual F*** do that have to do with introducing a class that DOES NOT fit the gameplay, is toxic, etc etc? Imagine Coca Cola start putting milk in their soda, people doesnt like it and the stupid argument from defenders of the new "soda" is "times change, the soda change" 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #40 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Andrewbassg said: You may enjoy praying on defenseless targets If you are caught with your pants down that's kind of your problem, you know? Learn to position yourself right 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #41 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said: Imagine Coca Cola start putting milk in their soda, people doesnt like it They start drinking something else. There are no subs in ranked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #42 Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, Farheim said: Aight aight, daddy promised to be sweet. Point is, times change, game's changing, what seemed ridiculous or unrealistic 10 years ago now turns out to be fun and engaging. Like 6 years ago having 457 guns on a T10 battleships was considered to be the main selling point of that ship. Now 406 (or smaller) guns on T10 BBs are considered to be a massive drawback that needs to be compensated by other gimmicks. Perhaps daddy could be kind enough to point out exactly in which way has gameplay changed so significantly that it turned the subs from an unacceptable proposition from a gameplay point of view to a match made in heaven? 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farheim Players 182 posts 6,723 battles Report post #43 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said: Perhaps daddy could be kind enough to point out exactly in which way has gameplay changed so significantly I mean if played WoWs back in 2015 I probably could tell you exactly what's changed. But since 2017 - mandatory overmatch, loads of battlecruisers, CV rework... Idk check the patches. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] WarburtonLee Players 784 posts 11,585 battles Report post #44 Posted February 6 Just now, Farheim said: If you are caught with your pants down that's kind of your problem, you know? Learn to position yourself right Where do you position yourselves if you start on the flank where the sub is? By guessing he is there, and start kiting titing from the start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] WarburtonLee Players 784 posts 11,585 battles Report post #45 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, Farheim said: I mean if played WoWs back in 2015 I probably could tell you exactly what's changed. But since 2017 - mandatory overmatch, loads of battlecruisers, CV rework... Idk check the patches. And what does those things have to do with subs suddently getting acceptable, even though they werent implemented for gameplay reasons before? Overmatch and battlecruisers? CV rework? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #46 Posted February 6 20 minutes ago, Farheim said: If you are caught with your pants down that's kind of your problem, you know? Learn to position yourself right That's your facts? Lolz.... again blatantly false coz there are ships who can't discover ( aka see) a sub until its too late. Com' on that's the best you got?? LMAO..... 14 minutes ago, Farheim said: I mean if played WoWs back in 2015 I probably could tell you exactly what's changed. But since 2017 - mandatory overmatch, loads of battlecruisers, CV rework... Idk check the patches. Again, false. The fundamentals of the game, as laid down in that video, haven't changed. The ONLY thing have changed is Wegge becoming a HELLUVA LOT greedier 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] WarburtonLee Players 784 posts 11,585 battles Report post #47 Posted February 6 15 minutes ago, Farheim said: They start drinking something else. There are no subs in ranked. Yes? And thats good, getting people away from randoms is that your argument? Or, should they listen to the audience and not introduce something that wasnt wanted in the first place? They could introduce a mode for you and other sub-enjoyers vs bots. If i want to play subs, i play UBOAT full realism settings with manual TDC, and i do that quite often. But they dont fit in this game at all 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ELEC] LiveWire___ Players 1,195 posts 9,252 battles Report post #48 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, Farheim said: Diversity is our strength. It certainly can be, if handled correctly. And it most definitely can be a great strength. However, much like mixing too many colors of paint together, it can end up being nothing more than a sludge. Which is what we have here. It's all about balance. CVs hiding behind islands, spewing endless clouds of planes which can't be reduced by deplaning is not balance. If your ship is threatening a CV, then these planes become more and more dangerous, focusing you, travelling shorter distances to drop on you. That's not balance. Subs hiding all battle beyond your ships reach, and which can't be spotted, only to then smash your ship with a volley of homing torpedoes with no counter is not balance. DDs should be able to overcome subs easily. They should be given more, not less, tools to kill them. They need Hedgehog & Squid launchers with ranges of 1.5 - 2kms to deal with them, in addition to depth charges. Every other ship type in the game has its strengths and weaknesses, which, if exploited, can either win hands down or lead to their immediate sinking. But CVs and subs don't. Their weakness are there, but they aren't exploitable unless under very specific conditions. Which is one of the reasons that they are so unbalanced. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OZYR] Andrewbassg Players 3,800 posts 25,813 battles Report post #49 Posted February 6 28 minutes ago, LiveWire___ said: But CVs and subs don't. Their weakness are there, but they aren't exploitable unless under very specific conditions. Which is one of the reasons that they are so unbalanced. Comrade....of course they are imbalanced coz that's exactly what Weegee wants. The don't want honesty, they want dishonesty and ...some other things. Coz, that's what they think it sells. Ergo I treat them the same way as they treat us. Worthy of contempt and ridicule. It is what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #50 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Farheim said: I mean if played WoWs back in 2015 I probably could tell you exactly what's changed. But since 2017 - mandatory overmatch, loads of battlecruisers, CV rework... Idk check the patches. Yes... but what has changed in terms of how subs would fit now better in the game. I don't see any relevant changes occurring which leads me to suspect the subs don't fit any better now than in 2015. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
