is MALTA good against cvs ?

[WarburtonLee]

11 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Then how about you Prove that ?

 

@Zuihou_Kai_Ni has a bit of a History to Play 1 vs 1s like this.

 

So how about You Challenge him ?

You take a CV and he takes a DD of Equal Tier and You See just how Easily he is going to Roflstomp You :)

Lol we could do, but then i need to practice a bit in the training room, idk even how the control works

[Sunleader]

12 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

Lol we could do, but then i need to practice a bit in the training room, idk even how the control works

 

Then how about you do that :)

Considering how Overpowered CVs are I am sure You wont need too long.

I will Remind You on the Weekend.

[WarburtonLee]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

Then how about you do that :)

Considering how Overpowered CVs are I am sure You wont need too long.

I will Remind You on the Weekend.

need another 177k free xp first

[Yosha_AtaIante]

15 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

need another 177k free xp first

or you can ask @BLUB__BLUB what happened when he tried

[WarburtonLee]

5 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

or you can ask @BLUB__BLUB what happened when he tried

And what happened :D

[Yosha_AtaIante]

9 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

And what happened :D

He didnt hit a single drop

[Sunleader]

7 hours ago, WarburtonLee said:

And what happened :D

 

7 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

He didnt hit a single drop

 

 

 

 

Ha. I am Actually Looking forward to this Now.

 

Its been so Long that someone was actually Clueless enough about the CV Rework that he Really Believed the CV has the Advantage in that Situation.

 

Usually by now even the most Ardent Propagators of the Idea that CVs are some sort of God Machine that can just Kill anyone. Have Realized that their CV is pretty much Helpless against Decent Players unless their Team is Front of them to Prevent the Enemy from getting Closer and making it Hard for the Enemy to take Evasive Actions without Exposing his Broadside to the Enemy.

 

Therefore usually by now any of them has learned to Avoid this kind of Challenge like the Plague as they Know it will just end up making them look Stupid because their oh so OP God Ship got Roflstomped without even having any Real Impact on the Enemy.

 

Albeit. If nothing else. This at least Shows he Actually Believes what he Says and isnt just Lying into our Faces on Purpose.

I will Rate that Positively. There is enough People in the Forums that make Similar Claims despite being Perfectly aware that its not True.

 

 

Then Again.

With all this Talk about needing Free Exp etc. Its of course also Possible that he is just Hoping others will Forget about it in time as he drags his feet and never actually dares Entering that Fight xD

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

12 hours ago, Fediuld said:

Who are "these players"? Because by playing a carrier you are one of "these players", or you haven't realised that? 

 

Please stop playing WOWS, go seek help from a psychiatrist because your post is a cry of help due to mental issues.

they are playing cv to enjoy killing helpless players ... and i dont do that , i only play for killing cvs ,  is it hard to realize ? :D 

[Sunleader]

7 minutes ago, CVs_Report_Blacklist said:

they are playing cv to enjoy killing helpless players ... and i dont do that , i only play for killing cvs ,  is it hard to realize ? :D 

 

Genuinely Good Players will almost always Play All Classes.

 

I know many Players dont want to hear this.

But there is ALOT of things You cannot Learn by just Playing against a Class. Or at this Point even Playing Specific Ships thanks to WG diversifying the Abilities to such an Extend.

And a Player that is Proficient at Playing All Classes will Generally Perform much Better against All Classes as well.

That is because he knows why and how other Ships he is Facing are Moving. He knows what Weakpoints and Strongpoints these Ships have and can therefore not only predict beforehand how they will move but also know how they can counter these moves.

 

Thats why anyone who wants to counter a Ship that he has Problems with. Should Start by Playing that Ship.

Because that way he will Learn exactly what this Ship needs to do to Fight others. As well as what Limitations that Ship has and what Methods others Employ that work against it as well as what Methods dont work etc.

 

Know Your Enemy and Know Thyself.

If You only know One Side there will be a Battle Lost for each Battle Won.

Only if You know both You need not Fear any Number of Battles.

 

 

 

[Fediuld]

9 hours ago, CVs_Report_Blacklist said:

they are playing cv to enjoy killing helpless players ... and i dont do that , i only play for killing cvs ,  is it hard to realize ? :D 

 

Does it pass through your head that there are players who play CV in between other classes,  because they find is more relaxing or having missions to do for the various campaigns? 

 

[Nibenay78]

9 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I know many Players dont want to hear this.

But there is ALOT of things You cannot Learn by just Playing against a Class. Or at this Point even Playing Specific Ships thanks to WG diversifying the Abilities to such an Extend.

And a Player that is Proficient at Playing All Classes will Generally Perform much Better against All Classes as well.

That is because he knows why and how other Ships he is Facing are Moving. He knows what Weakpoints and Strongpoints these Ships have and can therefore not only predict beforehand how they will move but also know how they can counter these moves.

Absolutely true. Not sure I learned "that" much. But the most noticeable was how even a mediocre CV player can take a shaite on the same player again and again and have them rage in valid frustration :D

I also learned that rework carriers are really really boring to play. Even RTS were more interesting as it offered a "different" game.

[BLUB__BLUB]

20 hours ago, WarburtonLee said:

And what happened :D

Nope, could not get a drop off. He managed to dakka all the planes.

That said, he is quite good. 

 

20 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

He didnt hit a single drop

...however I could just keep them coming. 
This means a teammate would have killed you for sure. Though...

Oh wel in randoms they just might have not shot at all. 

[WarburtonLee]

33 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Nope, could not get a drop off. He managed to dakka all the planes.

That said, he is quite good. 

 

...however I could just keep them coming. 
This means a teammate would have killed you for sure. Though...

Oh wel in randoms they just might have not shot at all. 

Yea thats kind of the point. Thats why i said that i bet a CV on one team without ability to do damage, only spot, would win vs a team with no CV but extra surface ship

[BLUB__BLUB]

23 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

Yea thats kind of the point. Thats why i said that i bet a CV on one team without ability to do damage, only spot, would win vs a team with no CV but extra surface ship

Well I'd also bet on the CV team but it is not like a CV cannot do damage. 

Just depends against what. Better against some teams than against others. 

For example if I have FDR and the other team has Malta, I'd just kill the Malta first. 

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

2 hours ago, Fediuld said:

 

Does it pass through your head that there are players who play CV in between other classes,  because they find is more relaxing or having missions to do for the various campaigns? 

 

and what ? can that be a reason to be unfair and waste other people players ?

 

you can play cv in co op or scenarios , not with someone whom doesn't want to play with you !!! 

 

i hope if there is a mode for cvs , where both cvs are humans , it can be 4 cvs , why not ,  and rest ships are bots , that is the best in my opinion , if someone want to go through the hassle and play in this mode with cruiser or battleship then this is his choice , i dont think someone will do it anyway ...

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, WarburtonLee said:

Yea thats kind of the point. Thats why i said that i bet a CV on one team without ability to do damage, only spot, would win vs a team with no CV but extra surface ship

 

Fallacy.

The Same would be True if You made a Team with DDs that are not allowed to use Torps vs a Team without DDs but more BBs.

Spotting is very Importand. So a Team with a Huge Spotting Advantage has much Better Chances at Victory.

 

That however goes regardless of where that Spotting Advantage comes from.

Likewise a Team with Radar Cruisers vs a Team without Radar Cruisers will often Win by Default exactly because they can Create that Advantage Artificially by Killing Enemy DDs Early etc.

 

And while I would bet on the Team with the CV. It is just like with the other Classes a matter of Skill and Situation.

If the Extra Enemy Ship is a BB and the Map Allows them to Push. Then the Spotting CV wont do anything.

Likewise if the Extra Enemy Ship is a Radar Cruiser and the Enemy can just Cover against the Team with DDs with Radar then the DDs got a much Harder Time.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Absolutely true. Not sure I learned "that" much. But the most noticeable was how even a mediocre CV player can take a shaite on the same player again and again and have them rage in valid frustration :D

I also learned that rework carriers are really really boring to play. Even RTS were more interesting as it offered a "different" game.

 

I Found RTS way more Boring to be Honest.

Albeit I did like RTS Better.

The Ability to keep the whole Map Spotted and just Decstrike a Target at Will was Insanely Fun in terms of Frustrating Enemies.

You could pretty much always get someone to Rage in Chat doing that.

I am Actually Sad I didnt Play CVs much back then.

 

Back then the Frustration was alot like being Devstruck by a Shima Torpedowall but without you having made a mistake beforehand.

Nowdays the Frustration is more like being Spammed by an HE Spam Cruiser that You cant Hit and cant get away from.

 

[Nov_A]

58 minutes ago, CVs_Report_Blacklist said:

i hope if there is a mode for cvs , where both cvs are humans , it can be 4 cvs , why not ,  and rest ships are bots , that is the best in my opinion , if someone want to go through the hassle and play in this mode with cruiser or battleship then this is his choice , i dont think someone will do it anyway ...

I think its called "Random Battles" and many cruisers or battleships willingly click into it.

[WarburtonLee]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Nowdays the Frustration is more like being Spammed by an HE Spam Cruiser that You cant Hit and cant get away from.

 

Exactly, and this is good for the game in general, or any of the other classes because........??

Edit: The HE spamming "cruiser" (CV) that you cant see or hit also spots you btw making it even worse

[Sunleader]

9 hours ago, WarburtonLee said:

Exactly, and this is good for the game in general, or any of the other classes because........??

Edit: The HE spamming "cruiser" (CV) that you cant see or hit also spots you btw making it even worse

 

Since I was Talking from a BBs Perspective. Being Spotted really is nothing Special.

Most BBs are Constantly Spotted unless the Enemy Team has lost all DDs while Your Team still has them. Thus your DDs Providing Spotting and keeping Enemies away while You can Engage from outside Detection Range.

But in that Scenario the Winner has already been decided anyways so thats Irrelevant.

Other Classes actually wont be Spotted nonstop. Something You will Learn very Quickly when You really dare Fighting that 1 vs 1 against Zuiho_Kai_Ni

 

 

 

And I never said this is good. I said this is better than the previous situation in RTS.

Which was like being haunted by a Shimakaze that you cant hit and cant get away from as it keeps dropping Torps at you from 2-3km Distance.

 

 

You See.

An Annoying Situation during the Battle that I cannot shake off unless I abandon the Objective is not exactly rare in WoWs. If the Battle Situation requires me to Push in and that Enemy HE Spammer Cruiser Set up Properly then its not like I can do anything about him either. The CV having the Ability to also follow me if I decided to Withdraw instead is annoying. But from an Victory Perspective its meaningless because the CV would waste his Time just to Annoy me. Which I am willing to do given that I am well Rewarded for Plane Kills and albeit unwillingly make a good Contribution to Victory this Way.

 

Its basicly like a DD Following a Kiting Super Cruiser without Radar to the Map Edge. Yes the Kiting Super Cruiser cant do anything about being constantly Haunted by that DD and is Permaspotted by him. And if the DD is Smart enough to Drop his Torps so that they create a Crossover the Super Cruiser will sooner or later get hit by Torps to Chip him down slowly.

But that also means this DD cant really do anything else in the meantime and the DD is effectively wasting his Time and Influence following that Cruiser.

 

In RTS it was different. You either were a Ship with Def AA. Then You Literally didnt care about CVs because if they came for You. You Pressed the Button and the CV was Useless.

Or You were not. Then any Decent CV could easily take 50-100% of your HP with a Well Coordinated Drop which You could do absolutely nothing about because Evading in one Direction Automaticly meant being Hit from the other Direction.

 

 

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

12 hours ago, Nov_A said:

I think its called "Random Battles" and many cruisers or battleships willingly click into it hoping to not get into cvs battle 

i fixed it for you .