Unofficial Quality Management - Poll Update 12.0

Karkong_the_Impaler · February 7

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

Can bots have friends? They must have recommended WoWS to their friends.

Coop mains?

NewHorizons_1 · February 7

17 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Coop mains?

Pretty sure the bots aren't my friends. Damn things always run away to the other side of the map.

Noooo! It's him, again! :fish_panic:

Shepke · February 7

2 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

So they are just lucky then. Alright.

Exactly! Just well placed niche primitive gacha shooter with f2p :Smile_trollface: model.

Oh no, may be you know other glorious blockbusters by WG?

Let see..

- Massive Assault - ?

- Order of War - not bad, but no commercial success (WoT`s grandpa)

Will pass WoWs and WoWp because it the same projects as WoT with just swapped 3d-models and different settings.

- Hybrid Wars - fail

- WoT Generals - fail

- Master of Orion: (The Legend!) Conquer the Stars (publisher) - fail

- Caliber (publisher) - fail

- Total war: Arena (publisher) - fail

- Bowling Crew (mobile) - another f2p money drainer

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So, of course its not about one (ok, two) lucky f2p money drainer but about great game development indeed.

Sunleader · February 7

2 hours ago, redraven said:

You are a griefer, sorry but no other way to say it. You are actively seeking playstyles where the other player has no counter to yours. And no "oh if the cv/sub player is bad.." is not a valid defense against CVs or subs.

l2p

GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer · February 7

11 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

l2p

Most based thing I read in the entire thread.

Peffers · February 7

12 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Though to be fair it does kinda rule out WG as a perpetrator, I think if they wanted to do something like this their approach would be a lot more sophisticated.

I think you sir are giving a company that can slander contributors in giveaway codes far too much credit.

Andrewbassg · February 7

1 hour ago, Shepke said:

Bowling Crew

Lol, wat?

makhot · February 7

I'm quite poor with statistics and analytis, but I think I'm detecting some patterns and correlations in the answers.

El2aZeR · February 7

4 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I could not Find an Obvious Bot like Yours in that Batch. (Hence Why I assume You actually put Quite some Effort into Finding that One.)

I just sorted by date and scrolled down until I reached November 2022. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Didn't pursue the matter any further after seeing that wall of bot reviews starting. I'm going to guess whoever did this employed more than one username variation.

Andrewbassg · February 7

5 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Why is it that if they are so stupid

Ok so lemme give you some reasons and examples where and why they fail. Coz lolling around could be fun but..... there is no actual value and merit in it.

1.They don't understand their players. Like at all. That's their biggest handicap, one that cripples all their initiatives. Why is that? They have absolutely nothing in common with gamers, with the gaming culture, with its values, with its mentality. Or how a gamer thinks. The root causes for this goes back as far the URSS, where people, who were interested in such endeavors, were considered not socially acceptable people. They were called lumpen elements (not productive members of the society), were considered antisocial, were mandatorily registered at the local militsiya stations and when caught in the act , shipped off and forcibly assigned to workplaces (not gulags, regular workplaces) They were considered worse than criminals. because they set "dangerous examples" for the society.

Those mentalities are persistent to this very day. Got relaxed a bit ( also legally) but in essence didn't changed much ..

Yo, I can write several Ph D's on this subject called the URSS and how much deformed humans, how much hindered their development and how de facto relegated their society back into the middle ages. A country which was first to send men into space!!

Back to topic: it is telling how they treated Femennenly who tried, quite hard I would say, to build a community.

You understand how frakked up this crap is in a... gaming company??

Sunleader · February 7

7 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

I just sorted by date and scrolled down until I reached November 2022. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Didn't pursue the matter any further after seeing that wall of bot reviews starting. I'm going to guess whoever did this employed more than one username variation.

Possible.

But I have Scrolled through all of February, January and December and have not Found any such Bots Yet.

So I would dare claiming this was a Onetime thing in November.

The Guy behind it seems to be Selling the Bots for other Purposes as well. So I wonder if this was even Intended to Boost Reviews or might have been made with a different Intention behind these Accounts.

Especially because the Bots seem to have Holes in between them.

I wonder if maybe he is Selling these Bot Accounts thus there being the holes as the People who bought them renamed them.

Andrewbassg · February 7

4 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Possible.

But I have Scrolled through all of February, January and December....

I would suggest to go back before the holidays. I think it is pretty obvious why.

Sunleader · February 7

Just now, Andrewbassg said:

I would suggest to go back before the holidays. I think it is pretty obvious why.

No need.

Reviews from 01.01.2023 till Today (when I made the Post) alone still have nearly 80% and Count over 2000.

Of the over 1600 Positive ones there is nearly 200 that have over 50 Hours of Playtime. With over 1000 more that have at least 10 Hours of Playtime. Leaving only a bit over 300 to have less than 10 Hours Playtime.

As my Only Target was to Prove that the Steam Reviews are vastly more Representative of the WoWs Community than this Forum Poll. This is more than enough. As the Positive Votes alone Outnumber this entire Poll by more than 6 to 1.

Even if we remove the Players with less than 10 Hours. Which we cant do in the Forum because the Forum Poll is Available regardless of Playtime and can even be used by Second and Third Accounts easily. Its still 5 to 1.

WarburtonLee · February 7

19 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

No need.

Reviews from 01.01.2023 till Today (when I made the Post) alone still have nearly 80% and Count over 2000.

Of the over 1600 Positive ones there is nearly 200 that have over 50 Hours of Playtime. With over 1000 more that have at least 10 Hours of Playtime. Leaving only a bit over 300 to have less than 10 Hours Playtime.

As my Only Target was to Prove that the Steam Reviews are vastly more Representative of the WoWs Community than this Forum Poll. This is more than enough. As the Positive Votes alone Outnumber this entire Poll by more than 6 to 1.

Even if we remove the Players with less than 10 Hours. Which we cant do in the Forum because the Forum Poll is Available regardless of Playtime and can even be used by Second and Third Accounts easily. Its still 5 to 1.

You can also say that people who doesnt like a game doesnt care about reviewing it. The only game ive ever reviewed on steam is EU4 that i really, really liked with thousands of hours in it. I have many games that i liked, and not liked but i dont care to make a review.

El2aZeR · February 7

47 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Possible.

But I have Scrolled through all of February, January and December and have not Found any such Bots Yet.

So I would dare claiming this was a Onetime thing in November.

The Guy behind it seems to be Selling the Bots for other Purposes as well. So I wonder if this was even Intended to Boost Reviews or might have been made with a different Intention behind these Accounts.

Especially because the Bots seem to have Holes in between them.

I wonder if maybe he is Selling these Bot Accounts thus there being the holes as the People who bought them renamed them.

On the other hand with how sophisticated chat bots have become it should be fairly easy to just generate what looks like a legit review especially if it is held short.

One way to check whether a review is legit or not would be to cross reference the hours played on Steam with battles played in WoWs. After all hours played can be faked just by having the game open in the background, battles played would need an ingame bot which may be more difficult to obtain.

Though I'm sure neither you nor I are willing to put in this amount of effort just to delve deeper into this particular curiosity. ^^

Since it coincided with the November Anniversary event, I'm guessing the user in question did this to farm money. Get the free 5€, buy an item of equivalent value (say, a CSGO skin), trade it to the main account then sell it there.

KillStealBoss · February 7

6 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

So they are just lucky then. Alright. That's how it goes for all the rich people I guess. They were lucky or born into it.

And no real competition. Cause art department is carrying the game hard.

Andrewbassg · February 8

8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

No need.

Reviews from 01.01.2023 till Today (when I made the Post) alone still have nearly 80% and Count over 2000.

Of the over 1600 Positive ones there is nearly 200 that have over 50 Hours of Playtime. With over 1000 more that have at least 10 Hours of Playtime. Leaving only a bit over 300 to have less than 10 Hours Playtime.

As my Only Target was to Prove that the Steam Reviews are vastly more Representative of the WoWs Community than this Forum Poll. This is more than enough. As the Positive Votes alone Outnumber this entire Poll by more than 6 to 1.

Even if we remove the Players with less than 10 Hours. Which we cant do in the Forum because the Forum Poll is Available regardless of Playtime and can even be used by Second and Third Accounts easily. Its still 5 to 1.

I see. Well.....

Anyway, here is one more metric for you, why low battle number positive reviews on steam are quite irrelevant.

* The numbers are about ALL steam, not just reviews

This game and (particularly Weegee) sucks at play retention, big time.

The problem what this presents: you need long time and/or good (therefore committed)players, otherwise the game will lose its appeal and enter into a downward, which in turn will enter into a self sustaining and self accelerating loop.

And Weegee is inexplicably (aactually not quite, their pigheadedness (not corporate like) plays a major role), quite actively play into this.

Sunleader · February 8

13 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

I see. Well.....

Anyway, here is one more metric for you, why low battle number positive reviews on steam are are quite irrelevant. This game and Weegee sucks at play retention, big time.

The problem what this presents: you need long time and/or good players, otherwise the game will lose its appeal and enter into a downturn, which in turn will enter into a self sustaining and self accelerating loop.

And Weegee is inexplicably, quite actively play into this.

Except I have already Proven that Wrong because I actually counted how many of these Players are Longterm Players. How many are Normal Players and how many only Tried the Game out.

And Sorry to Tell You. But this is Completely Normal for Free to Play Games.

Many Players will Click on and Download a Free to Play Game to Check it. And then never actually Play it. Or only Play a few Rounds and then Leave. But these dont Leave Reviews. Because there is actually a 0.1 Hours Minimum Playtime to leave a Review.

That is the case even for Really Succesful F2P Games like Team Fortress 2 where the most common Achievement is also about 50%

Only a Fraction of Players that Join an F2P Game actually become Longterm Players. That is completely Normal.

Andrewbassg · February 8

9 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Except I have already Proven that Wrong because I actually counted how many of these Players are Longterm Players. How many are Normal Players and how many only Tried the Game out.

And Sorry to Tell You. But this is Completely Normal for Free to Play Games.

Many Players will Click on and Download a Free to Play Game to Check it. And then never actually Play it. But these dont Leave Reviews. Because there is actually a 0.1 Hours Minimum Playtime to leave a Review.

That is the case even for Really Succesful F2P Games like Team Fortress 2 where the most common Achievement is also about 50%

Except, you still fail to see the bigger picture. This is a VERY niche game (for a good number of reasons) therefore its appeal is NOT that widespread, so comparing it with other F2P titles is very very wrong and actually misleading, both as a metric and/or justification.

Otherwise, granted I didn't look up those numbers. But I kinda doubt that he suck it out from this thumb ( tho it is possible)

Sunleader · February 8

1 minute ago, Andrewbassg said:

Except, you still fail to see the bigger picture. This is a VERY niche game (for a good number of reasons) therefore its appeal is NOT that widespread, so comparing it with other F2P titles is very very wrong and actually misleading, both as a metric and/or justification.

Mate. Can You pls stop with that "Bigger Picture" like some Flat Earther that believes the Whole World is in Conspiracy to make everyone Believe the World is Round xD

And No Mate. This Game isnt Niche at all.

This is a Free to Play Game that has been on Frontpages Repeatedly over the Years.

Its a Game that Today Again will have about 50.000 Players Online in the Afternoon.

THIS

https://steamcharts.com/app/311310

Is a Niche Game Mate.

This is a Rennaissance Naval Game that goes into Simulator Genre instead of being an Arcade Game.

Thats why its a Niche Game only Played by a few Thousand Players.

WoWs is the most Succesful Game out there for Sure.

But its nowhere close to being a Niche Game lol

Andrewbassg · February 8

3 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Mate. Can You pls stop with that "Bigger Picture" like some Flat Earther that believes the Whole World is in Conspiracy to make everyone Believe the World is Round xD

Lolz. U sure 'bout dat one?:P Otherwise the bigger picture still stands.

9 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And No Mate. This Game isnt Niche at all.

This is a Free to Play Game that has been on Frontpages Repeatedly over the Years.

Its a Game that Today Again will have about 50.000 Players Online in the Afternoon.

THIS

https://steamcharts.com/app/311310

Is a Niche Game Mate.

This is a Rennaissance Naval Game that goes into Simulator Genre instead of being an Arcade Game.

Thats why its a Niche Game only Played by a few Thousand Players.

Oh yes it is. I said specifically by appeal, not by numbers.

13 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

WoWs is the most Succesful Game out there for Sure.

But its nowhere close to being a Niche Game lol

Being unsuccesfull and being niche are not the same thing. Is WowP an unsuccesful or a niche game?

Shepke · February 8

8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

As my Only Target was to Prove that the Steam Reviews are vastly more Representative of the WoWs Community than this Forum Poll. This is more than enough.

Nope.

There are two nuances.

1) There are bot reviews campaigns in Steam - fact.

and most important one

2) If you play games on Steam you have to interact with Steam (obviously). And it has a well made review feature.

If you play games on PC in general, you don`t have to interact with anything except the game. This means - only dedicated and proactive players (mostly) go to forum and write something there. Moreover, there is even no dedicated section with game reviews and any points system (even like/dislike).

The ratio can be from 100% of Steam players (of course its lower) to max 5% of forum users(players).

And don`t forget that Steam is distribution platform, so Steam player has not only WoWs but many other games, so his/her review is less valuable than ones which was written by player who done it on site completely dedicated for only one particular game.

And also - Steam user can do review just for few clicks and it will be shown and has good tools for statistic and post reviewing. To review (somehow) WoWs on WoWs forum, you need launch your browser, find game site, find forum link, and start typing in some unappropriated section of forum. Basically you only have option to discuss game with other forum users.

Alas, but Steam reviews are far far from more Representative than Forum ones (for any project) (the only exception can be if game has only one type of distribution - Steam and particular game forum is in a bad shape).

Sunleader · February 8

3 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

Lolz. U sure 'bout dat one?:P Otherwise the bigger picture still stands.

Oh yes it is. I said specifically by appeal, not by numbers.

Being unsuccesfull and being niche are not the same thing. Is WowP an unsuccesful or a niche game?

1.

Yep. Absolutely Sure about it.

No Offense to You. But this Sentence is Exactly what Flat Earthers, Covid Deniars and lately Pro Russian Propaganda Bots keep saying whenever I Explain to them why their Comment on YouTube is Bullcrab.

Of Course if that is really the kind of People You want to be Viewed as that is fine. In that case Feel Free to Continue.

Its not like Your Claims are all that Different in terms of how Reasonable they are.

2.

No its Not.

Naval Warfare Arcade Games is actually pretty Mainstay and has been for Decades.

Its not as Mainstay as FPS Team Deathmatch or Standard MMORPGs but its still Mainstay.

World of Warships only Revolutionary Part was that they are the First to have Combined Naval Warfare Games with Team Deathmatch in a 3D Arcade Setting.

This was New. But its not exactly a New Genre or a Niche.

And No. Not by Appeal either. Because Naval Warfare is an VERY Broad Appeal.

(By the Way. Appeal and Numbers is the same. Because being Niche or not is decided by the Numbers of Players in the Playerpool that You Appeal Too. This Pool is Extremely Large for Arcade Naval Warfare Games.)

3.

World of Warplanes was Unsuccesful. Not Niche.

Aircraft Games are even more Mainstay than Naval Games.

If you want an Actual Niche Game. Take a Look at for example HOI4.

This is a Niche Game.

Because HOI4 is a Grand Strategy Spreadsheet Game. Which has a very very Niche Playerbase it Appeals too. Because it only Appeals to Strategy Players that are Into very Complicated and Strategic Decision Based Games.

5 minutes ago, Shepke said:

Nope.

There are two nuances.

1) There are bot reviews campaigns in Steam - fact.

and most important one

2) If you play games on Steam you have to interact with Steam (obviously). And it has a well made review feature.

If you play games on PC in general, you don`t have to interact with anything except the game. This means - only dedicated and proactive players (mostly) go to forum and write something there. Moreover, there is even no dedicated section with game reviews and any points system (even like/dislike).

The ratio can be from 100% of Steam players (of course its lower) to max 5% of forum users(players).

And don`t forget that Steam is distribution platform, so Steam player has not only WoWs but many other games, so his/her review is less valuable than ones which was written by player who done it on site completely dedicated for only one particular game.

And also - Steam user can do review just for few clicks and it will be shown and has good tools for statistic and post reviewing. To review (somehow) WoWs on WoWs forum, you need launch your browser, find game site, find forum link, and start typing in some unappropriated section of forum. Basically you only have option to discuss game with other forum users.

Alas, but Steam reviews are far far from more Representative than Forum ones (for any project) (the only exception can be if game has only one type of distribution - Steam and particular game forum is in a bad shape).

1.

Pls Read the whole Discussion before Butting in.

I have gone through all Reviews Made from 1. January up to Yesterday. And there was no Easily Identifyable Bots there.

The only Bots were in November.

About 200 Reviews had over 50 Hours Playtime. And some had over 2000 Hours.

About 300 Reviews had less than 10 Hours Playtime. Some as little as 0.1 Hours hence why I am fine with Discarding them.

Rest was between 10 and 50 Hours which is Fairly Normal for Games.

So this Point has already been Proven Wrong by me Before.

2.

Uhm Mate. What You are Saying is actually making the Forum even less Representative. Because Steam has a Larger Participation Ratio and thus is more Likely to get an Unbiased and Fair Result that Represent the General Palyerbase.

While You already Explain that the Forum is Only Visited by a Very Specific and Biased Group of Players that does NOT Represent the General Playerbase because they are only part of a very very Specific Subset of Players with certain Attributes.

Also.

To be Precise. Less than 0.01% of the Players actually Engage in the Forum.

2.1

And Uhm Mate.

Players that have the Game without Steam have other Games too.

Guess what. I got the Game before I was ever on Steam and have Steam Now. But still Play WoWs without Steam.

But even before I ever Installed Steam I had WoWs.

2.3

Erm No.

Not to Offend You Mate. But See. You are now Actually Sabotaging the Others that Argue with me.

Because the Point the others Make is that the Forum is Representative of the Games Population.

While my Point is. That the Forum is not Representative of the Games Population because only a Specific Group of Players with certain Attributes Visits the Forum.

Your Point now is Different.

Your Point is that I am Right and that the Players in the Forum are a Specific Group of Players that do not Represent the General Playerbase.

BUT that this Group because its more Engaged with the Game should be considered to be more Valuable and more Importand than the General Playerbase because they are more Engaged in the Game.

This however is also False. Because not to Offend You.

But WG doesnt make Money from People that have the Game Forever and thus like me Sit on nearly 10.000 Economic Bonusses and have pretty much all Ships they want.

WG makes Money from Players that are in this 10-50 Hour Gameplay Range.

Thus Playing long enough that they want to Buy Bonusses and Premium Ships etc. But Short enough they dont yet have everything they want.

Hugh_Ruka · February 8

15 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

So why do you think what the players want matters to anyone?

And it was a huge success after they actually released it ... interesting how the players were wrong ....

Shepke · February 8

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

2.

Uhm Mate. What You are Saying is actually making the Forum even less Representative. Because Steam has a Larger Participation Ratio and thus is more Likely to get an Unbiased and Fair Result that Represent the General Palyerbase.

While You already Explain that the Forum is Only Visited by a Very Specific and Biased Group of Players that does NOT Represent the General Playerbase because they are only part of a very very Specific Subset of Players with certain Attributes.

Why is that?

General player base is a mass. They barely can clicks buttons, they absolutely dont care in which game they will/play/ed yesterday, today or tomorrow. They just consumers not players!. Especially for f2p scheme.

How, on Earth, their opinion may be taken into account?

In other hand, only dedicated players know which expectations games (at least) should match, because they have vast game experience, they care about particular game they playing, amount of time spent, quality of the game, gamestyle, game design, lore and so on and so on.

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Your Point now is Different.

Your Point is that I am Right and that the Players in the Forum are a Specific Group of Players that do not Represent the General Playerbase.

BUT that this Group because its more Engaged with the Game should be considered to be more Valuable and more Importand than the General Playerbase because they are more Engaged in the Game.

This however is also False. Because not to Offend You.

But WG doesnt make Money from People that have the Game Forever and thus like me Sit on nearly 10.000 Economic Bonusses and have pretty much all Ships they want.

WG makes Money from Players that are in this 10-50 Hour Gameplay Range.

Thus Playing long enough that they want to Buy Bonusses and Premium Ships etc. But Short enough they dont yet have everything they want.

Yep. That`s why WG dont care about ANY (Steam included) feedbacks.

And also WG still (and primarily)making the money on players, who played for a long time and have a lot of game stuff (i.e. dedicated players). Just because this is a primitive gacha (and collectors (not the players with 1-50 hours) want to collect everything (even through lootboxes i.e. gambling))

Unofficial Quality Management - Poll Update 12.0

Unofficial Quality Management - Poll #1 321 members have voted

1. Are you satisfied with the current status of the game?

2. Are you satisfied with the direction tof the development?

3. Are you satisfied with Wargamings response to the feedback of the Playerbase?

4. Do you tend to play more or less World of Warships?

5. Do you tend to spend more or less money on World of Warships?

6. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you recommend World of Warships to friends?

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Unofficial Quality Management - Poll #1
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