General Bitching

[Quazie]

Dear WG, Wtf are you doing to this game?

 

Some years ago this game was pretty good but you seem intent on wrecking it.

 

Look we all know this is a business, but usually in a business you have to somewhat please the customers or you lose them, so many of the old players are no longer about, many of them complaining about the things being done to the game very vocally before quitting completely.

 

The main problem is that you don’t listen to the player base, you never really have.

It seems to me that you have no concern for the regular player, instead of trying to keep a player base you shed players like leaves from a tree in the autumn, you rely on new players. How about a novel concept, appease the existing players that are still living in hope that one day you will listen and gain new players for a bigger stronger player base which will generate more cash. It’s not a hard model to follow.

 

Take an aspect where this is really obvious, when you put subs in, the majority of players objected, you never put it to the players as a concept, you only brought it forward after spending a lot of resource developing it, by that time you were committed and would not listen, something akin to a child putting hands over ears and going “La La La La, I’m not listening!”

 

You reworked the Carriers against all the outcries, you brought in the British Battleship with High chance of fire starting a HE spamming revolution at which point I pretty much stopped playing cruisers because I was being burnt down by battleships. Rather than address this problem that you created you introduced more HE spamming cruisers with a longer gun range. Ships like the Yoshino that has a longer gun range than some battleships, you can sit out of range and spam HE all day. Then you bring in ships like Petro that have some pretty powerful AP and can wear down a Battleship, then fast destroyers with long range torps and rapid fire HE spammers, then to top it the very over powered Tromp with quick load Aircraft that wreck ships. Battleships with smoke, then torps, more new ships, ships with long range secondary’s that go ape crap with their rate of fire.

 

The list is seemingly endless, it would take pages and pages to bring it all up.

 

In short you don’t listen and you don’t seem to care for your player base at all.

 

Instead of fixing problems that have existed in the game for a long time, like the aiming system flaws, you prefer to make it more pretty, instead of fixing the balance issues you prefer to bring out a new flag or two, instead of doing proper player surveys with proper questions around player concerns you ask how was your experience good or bad. Instead of developing a proper feedback system linked to a database to record and monitor, which should be available through the game so players can see it and use it. It has been suggested more than once, but it seems that you just can’t see the value in it. All those ideas, all those bug reports, all those proposed solutions, the ability to assign to a department for review and/or consideration. But no you are just not that interested in the management, or fixing the balance, or the aiming system. I just don’t know how you plan to keep on milking this cow if you can’t keep a stable growing player base.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

58 minutes ago, Quazie said:

. I just don’t know how you plan to keep on milking this cow if you can’t keep a stable growing player base.

Why is this your concern? You have no power over their decision making. Why do you think they should be listening to you or other players for that matter?

Can you prove without a doubt that the game is dying?

Did you know that players like you are saying this for 7 years now? Every year the game is dying for a new reason yet somehow its still going as strong as ever. Nothing changed. You can't handle the truth. You want the game to be dying so WG is forced to do something. But the game isn't dying. That's why WG does whatever whatever do.

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, Quazie said:

It seems to me that you have no concern for the regular player, instead of trying to keep a player base you shed players like leaves from a tree in the autumn, you rely on new players.

Veteran players have bought/obtained just about everything.

Hence there's not much left they'll spend £ $ and € on.

 

Conversely, a new player starts with virtually nothing.

And there's a whole Premium Shop filled with shiny goodies just waiting to have a wallet waved at them.

[6a6a_9lra]

compare online RU and EU servers a year ago, there were 25000 and 35000, became 12000 and 27000, the answer is simple game dies

[Ronchabale]

On 2/3/2023 at 12:45 AM, Quazie said:

 

Take an aspect where this is really obvious, when you put subs in, the majority of players objected, you never put it to the players as a concept, you only brought it forward after spending a lot of resource developing it, by that time you were committed and would not listen, something akin to a child putting hands over ears and going “La La La La, I’m not listening!”

Lalala.. haha, yes

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You reworked the Carriers against all the outcries 

This too

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In short you don’t listen and you don’t seem to care for your player base at all.

.. and so we got the commander rework that nobody wanted

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Instead of fixing problems that have existed in the game for a long time, like the aiming system flaws, you prefer to make it more pretty, instead of fixing the balance issues you prefer to bring out a new flag or two, instead of doing proper player surveys with proper questions around player concerns you ask how was your experience good or bad. Instead of developing a proper feedback system linked to a database to record and monitor, which should be available through the game so players can see it and use it. It has been suggested more than once, but it seems that you just can’t see the value in it. All those ideas, all those bug reports, all those proposed solutions, the ability to assign to a department for review and/or consideration. But no you are just not that interested in the management, or fixing the balance, or the aiming system. I just don’t know how you plan to keep on milking this cow if you can’t keep a stable growing player base.

They have their spreadsheet where bottom line is profit and that is all that matters

[Cuddly_Spider]

I thought this thread was going to be nice.

 

I honestly thought someone was just introducing themselves - "Hello! My name is General Bitching and I'm really happy to meet you all!"

 

It turned out to be another whine thread.

[MadBadDave]

No surprise but I totally agree, but we all know as mentioned in the op that WG doesn’t give a toss about us and what we think they just want our money. 
 

Like all shortsighted companies they’ll get what they deserve, karma I call it, ever hear of that word WG 😗.

[Profilus]

7 hours ago, Quazie said:

You reworked the Carriers against all the outcries

I really cant remember people complaining about cv rework before it happened. Everybody hoped it will nerf cv-s as i remember it. Even that streamer (F) was happy with reworked cv-s for a week when he saw them in action 1st time.

When the rework hit live servers, then complaining started about cv rework.

[Hugh_Ruka]

6 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Veteran players have bought/obtained just about everything.

Hence there's not much left they'll spend £ $ and € on.

 

Conversely, a new player starts with virtually nothing.

And there's a whole Premium Shop filled with shiny goodies just waiting to have a wallet waved at them.

That is not a long term strategy anyway ... since new players will buy directly into high tier, the gameplay will be crap and will leave immediately ....

[Hugh_Ruka]

35 minutes ago, Profilus said:

I really cant remember people complaining about cv rework before it happened. Everybody hoped it will nerf cv-s as i remember it. Even that streamer (F) was happy with reworked cv-s for a week when he saw them in action 1st time.

When the rework hit live servers, then complaining started about cv rework.

your memory is then incorrect ... once the reworked CVs hit PTS the complaining started ....

[hellhound666]

7 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Can you prove without a doubt that the game is dying?

nothing is eternal, everything will die eventually 

1 hour ago, MadBadDave said:

they’ll get what they deserve, karma I call it,

there is no karma, the universe doesn't give a floating fck

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

nothing is eternal, everything will die eventually 

World of Warcraft might as well be called that. Still going for 19years

[________________Morrison]

Number charts are going down

 

Game dead

 

As a 4 year rookie I can say

 

It's not dead

 

People keep coming for new content

Especially if they continue making subs and Cvs

Personally I like hybrids and I wish we had cruisers if them

Instead of bbs or the proposed hybrid DD

Wtf

Buff cruisers

Give them RC planes to add to the sky diseases 

 

 

[Yedwy]

@OP Going for churn rather then retention is a Mobile Platform thing and it seems to work out got WG and many others its just how they are making money with least effort

[22cm]

1 hour ago, Profilus said:

I really cant remember people complaining about cv rework before it happened. Everybody hoped it will nerf cv-s as i remember it. Even that streamer (F) was happy with reworked cv-s for a week when he saw them in action 1st time.

When the rework hit live servers, then complaining started about cv rework.

You remember it wrong,  complaining started when players found out how they were intended to fix them.

[Fat_Maniac]

4 minutes ago, 22cm said:

You remember it wrong,  complaining started when players found out how they were intended to fix them.

The CV rework was never intended to fix CV play, the rework happened because the RTS playstyle wouldn't work on consoles, and WG wanted the PC and console gameplay to be the same, so they could use and maintain the same engine code and mechanics on both platforms.

 

[SurfaceFish]

9 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Veteran players have bought/obtained just about everything.

Hence there's not much left they'll spend £ $ and € on.

 

Conversely, a new player starts with virtually nothing.

And there's a whole Premium Shop filled with shiny goodies just waiting to have a wallet waved at them.

 

True, after 2 years of whaling. I'm no longer cares about all the shinny ingame resources to spend more money. Maybe buys some doubloons with discount and do some dockyards and battle pass during snowflake events. 

 

New players might jump at the chance to give WG money for those events WG gives you free XP, elite commander xp, coal ect for doubloons. 

 

The WG shinny offerings are looking dull to me. 

[Andrewbassg]

3 hours ago, Profilus said:

When the rework hit live servers, then complaining started about cv rework.

And never stopped nor will stop. Dunno why is that happening. Oh wait......

[WingedHussar_Adler]

This game is "dieing" from first time cryers saw 20 km original shima torpedos....from back then it is dieing :)

 

and form that time it is dieing becasue of:

- shima torps

- fire

- stealthfire (was in the days it was possbile)

- smoke/smoke fire

- radar

- hydro

- CV

- more torpedos

- new cvs

- RPF

- subs

- hybrids

 

 

basicaly anything new that potatoheads can not master

[WingedHussar_Adler]

3 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

No surprise but I totally agree, but we all know as mentioned in the op that WG doesn’t give a toss about us and what we think they just want our money. 
 

Like all shortsighted companies they’ll get what they deserve, karma I call it, ever hear of that word WG 😗.

95% of "proposition" on this forum, especialy in whining threads (every 10-th thread is not some kind of whine) are idiotic atempt to dumb down game or shut down something you can not master. It is good that they do not listen

[Sunleader]

5 hours ago, 6a6a_9lra said:

compare online RU and EU servers a year ago, there were 25000 and 35000, became 12000 and 27000, the answer is simple game dies

 

Would be Nice if People didnt just Lie constantly...

 

https://stats.wotapi.ru/stats/wows/eu/EU

 

January 2022 and January 2023 both were around 26k

EU Servers a Year Ago did not have 35k

There was a One Day 38k Peak in December 2021 following an Update lol

 

As for RU Server.

Uhm Mate.

Not sure You noticed it.

But there is Kind of a Big War going on over there.

People there right now got other Problems than Playing Warships ya know....

[WarburtonLee]

42 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

This game is "dieing" from first time cryers saw 20 km original shima torpedos....from back then it is dieing :)

 

and form that time it is dieing becasue of:

- shima torps

- fire

- stealthfire (was in the days it was possbile)

- smoke/smoke fire

- radar

- hydro

- CV

- more torpedos

- new cvs

- RPF

- subs

- hybrids

 

 

basicaly anything new that potatoheads can not master

Yes, yes always potatoes that doesnt understand. How about you not grasping that there are alot of bad design added to the game- in the later years?

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 minute ago, WarburtonLee said:

Yes, yes always potatoes that doesnt understand. How about you not grasping that there are alot of bad design added to the game- in the later years?

some thinks it is bad, some it is good, some dont have strong opinion....most just play and adapt, some leave game....and special ones cry on forume every day, day by day, year by year (dont have in mind anybody specific now)

[WarburtonLee]

41 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

95% of "proposition" on this forum, especialy in whining threads (every 10-th thread is not some kind of whine) are idiotic atempt to dumb down game or shut down something you can not master. It is good that they do not listen

The ones who are dumbing down the game, is WG, with CV rework.

[WarburtonLee]

Just now, WingedHussar_Adler said:

some thinks it is bad, some it is good, some dont have strong opinion....most just play and adapt, some leave game....and special ones cry on forume every day, day by day, yar by year

Who thinks its good exactly? Cant say ive ever seen praise for the CV rework