Waterline: Winter 2023

[Seraphice]

9 hours ago, luksusdyr said:

Then it will be nice if every ship with attack planes capacity weather its a dd, ca or bb are categorized as CVA (auxciliary carrier or escort carrier) and count as CV so there will still only be 2 CV on each team. Its very anoying to be on a team with 1 cv and the opponent have a 3 ship div with hybrid bb's AND a cv.

And i dont belive more than 1% player have requested support cv's - the rest must be in you fantasy like subs.

 

And i still wonder why its possible to have 3-4 subs on each team, just because thery are in divs ???

Right now there are no plans to change how hybrids work in the matchmaking. While a lot of people are now playing them because they are new, having multiple hybrids + CV is not very common.

 

As for the subs, the limit for submarines in regular matchmaking is 2, and that holds true even for divisions. However as the waiting time for a battle increases, the matchmaker will start to loosen those restrictions, which means after some time, it will be possible to have more than 2 submarines in the battle.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[SmegTheNoob]

23 hours ago, Seraphice said:

The request to introduce support CVs has actually been floated by the community for a while since the CV rework - especially CVs with the ability to e.g. drop an aerial smoke screen. I even recall reading a lot of those comments before I joined Wargaming.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Pretty sure that is NOT true.

Of all the subjects discussed on the forums, I think Aircraft Carriers is probably the subject that appears the least.

I don't think I have seen any player request any Support Carrier.

Certainly not one that can lay mines and smoke screens.

 

Yet again you are alienating the majority of the player base, by bringing in crap that nobody wants.

 

I challenge Wargaming to come up with proof that MANY players requested this.

By proof, I mean examples of multiple players posting requests, not just one example.

 

40 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

 

As for the subs, the limit for submarines in regular matchmaking is 2, and that holds true even for divisions. However as the waiting time for a battle increases, the matchmaker will start to loosen those restrictions, which means after some time, it will be possible to have more than 2 submarines in the battle.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Then that limit of two Subs per team should be a STRICT limit.

The matchmaker should NOT be putting 3 Subs per team because of longer wait times.

I am sure that players would rather wait a little longer, than have a crap game with 3 Subs per team.

 

There are plenty of screen shot examples posted in the "Submarines Related Discussion" forum thread.

[Seraphice]

15 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Pretty sure that is NOT true.

Of all the subjects discussed on the forums, I think Aircraft Carriers is probably the subject that appears the least.

I don't think I have seen any player request any Support Carrier.

Certainly not one that can lay mines and smoke screens.

The forum is not the only place where players talk about the game, or where feedback is collected. As I said I saw this plenty even before I joined Wargaming, and I didnt visit the forum before I joined Wargaming.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Kruzenstern]

15 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

The forum is not the only place where players talk about the game, or where feedback is collected.

Ahhh yes, the silent majority that loves submarines and enjoys nothing more than matches with 2 CVs, 4 DDs and 2 SS per team.

[ColonelPete]

23 hours ago, Seraphice said:

The request to introduce support CVs has actually been floated by the community for a while since the CV rework - especially CVs with the ability to e.g. drop an aerial smoke screen. I even recall reading a lot of those comments before I joined Wargaming.

That was the result of the rework. People wanted their ships back, WG removed.

Without the removal players would not have brainstormed a new use for the removed ships.

[SmegTheNoob]

2 hours ago, Seraphice said:

The forum is not the only place where players talk about the game, or where feedback is collected. As I said I saw this plenty even before I joined Wargaming, and I didnt visit the forum before I joined Wargaming.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

What Pete said.

 

Players wanted their CV's back.

All the odd tiered CV's that were removed with the CV rework.

They did not ask for those CV's to be stupid mine or smoke laying things.

 

You are right that the forum is not the only place where players talk about the game.

But 90% of the time, the forum is the only place to go and request features for the game.

Or ask for crap to be removed, if they don't like what Wargaming do.

Wargaming, never publish results of any surveys that they run.

Instead they come out with vague comments like "75% were in favour", without showing us proof.

 

But player feedback is 80% ignored by Wargaming.

Overwhelming negativity towards Submarines both in the forums, and shown by treble the number of dislikes, than likes in every official Wargaming Youtube video on the subject of Submarines.

Yet Wargaming have got their blinkers on in that regard. All they see is Dollar signs in front of their faces.

The same will be with these so called Support Carriers.

You will ignore all the negative feedback yet again.

 

Also, you claim that you saw plenty of requests for Support CV's before you joined Wargaming.

But claim you didn't visit the forums. Well, if at the time, you wasn't working for Wargaming, and didn't visit the forums. Where did you see all these requests for Support Carriers? 

[luksusdyr]

3 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Also, you claim that you saw plenty of requests for Support CV's before you joined Wargaming.

But claim you didn't visit the forums. Well, if at the time, you wasn't working for Wargaming, and didn't visit the forums. Where did you see all these requests for Support Carriers? 

I would like to know that too.

[Seraphice]

4 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Also, you claim that you saw plenty of requests for Support CV's before you joined Wargaming.

But claim you didn't visit the forums. Well, if at the time, you wasn't working for Wargaming, and didn't visit the forums. Where did you see all these requests for Support Carriers? 

I was mostly browsing discord/reddit.
But we look for feedback on a lot of platforms: Forum, Discord, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, Youtube, Twitch. Pretty much every platform that we are active on.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[tom_kat]

12 minutes ago, luksusdyr said:

3 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Also, you claim that you saw plenty of requests for Support CV's before you joined Wargaming.

But claim you didn't visit the forums. Well, if at the time, you wasn't working for Wargaming, and didn't visit the forums. Where did you see all these requests for Support Carriers? 

I would like to know that too.

Me too.

 

Collectors, like myself, wanted to  research and keep the Essex (for example) in our port. But we never asked for a "support CV", with that awful stun bombs idea, branch like we did not ask for the CV rework. 

 

Once again, twisting the words to make it appear that the decisions are made based on the community and not for pure business.

[Cammo1962]

43 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

I was mostly browsing discord/reddit.
But we look for feedback on a lot of platforms: Forum, Discord, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, Youtube, Twitch. Pretty much every platform that we are active on.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Well @Seraphice i follow a lot of those platforms and there are not many that talks about support CVs so I don know where WG gets it from and the only thing where I can remember where it was brought up was from a Dev blog last year where people siad it was a bad idea and they even said it in one of WGs official streams too. And as fare as I remember people even came up with how they could be changed and that was not smoke or laying mines.

[Shadowdancer__]

Perhaps you don't expect a meaningful, honest and truthful answer from WG.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Stunde, Cammo1962 sagte:

Well @Seraphice i follow a lot of those platforms and there are not many that talks about support CVs so I don know where WG gets it from and the only thing where I can remember where it was brought up was from a Dev blog last year where people siad it was a bad idea and they even said it in one of WGs official streams too. And as fare as I remember people even came up with how they could be changed and that was not smoke or laying mines.

It's really not hard to find some examples, here are two reddit posts which ask for support CVs with smoke screens (and other ideas of course):

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bm79yi/dear_wg_constructive_approach_please_give_cvs_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bthwl8/please_add_support_cvs/

 

[Cammo1962]

32 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

It's really not hard to find some examples, here are two reddit posts which ask for support CVs with smoke screens (and other ideas of course):

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bm79yi/dear_wg_constructive_approach_please_give_cvs_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bthwl8/please_add_support_cvs/

 

Sure and you can also find this

 

[SmegTheNoob]

46 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

It's really not hard to find some examples, here are two reddit posts which ask for support CVs with smoke screens (and other ideas of course):

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bm79yi/dear_wg_constructive_approach_please_give_cvs_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bthwl8/please_add_support_cvs/

 

Neither of which asked to be able to lay mines.

Oh and both are from 4 years ago.

Is that all you can come up with?

[Cammo1962]

47 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Neither of which asked to be able to lay mines.

Oh and both are from 4 years ago.

Is that all you can come up with?

And by putting in a support CV to the game you risk to get a CV and a support CV, 2 DDS and up to 2 subs can only say on thing WUPIIIIIIII or something 

[Seraphice]

13 hours ago, Cammo1962 said:

Sure and you can also find this

 

The biggest issue with them at the time - the stun bombs - was abandoned.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Nauseica]

9 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

The biggest issue with them at the time - the stun bombs - was abandoned.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

and probably we introduce another one on his place the mines (which until now we dont know how it will function could be a bad thing for surfase ships or another fail mechanic that we can ignore)

[tom_kat]

I've just had one of the worst experiences with this game.

It involved, while playing my Salem, an Audacious and a Louisiana. All the teams playing almost on 1 or 10 lanes, sniping, with no teamwork, no positioning, nothing. Just a passive game where I was bombed to death by both Louisiana and Audacious squadrons.

 

And you are plannig to add hybrids destroyers? Are you, CM or devs, gonna tell me that you play your own game, not for job duties, and find it fun?

Let me doubt it.

[Cammo1962]

10 hours ago, Seraphice said:

The biggest issue with them at the time - the stun bombs - was abandoned.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

And then introduce mine laying instead that invites to stop pushing forward with battleships, cruisers even more that it is today so destroyers are once again hanging in the noose good thinking again from the Devs @Seraphice

[kollektivschaden]

Would a Support CV with weaker squadrons (and maybe just 2 dmg-dealers according to national flavour) and much stronker fighter/AA-Support and spotting for the team be much more use for the team? Just like in the RTS days you could always choose to run the Air Dominance Setup (with 2 or 3 Fighter squads) instead of the much more used DMG-dealer setup....

 

Isn't lagging Air Support and most often rather poor spotting the most annoying thing of having a subpar (russian) CV in the team? Wouldn't still change anything on the problem that you can't be everywhere with your plane except the squadrons would be much faster... 

And maybe a dedicated ASW-squadron with which you can support the team in sub-hunting anywhere on the map -  i mean, i'd rather see the subs banned to one dedicated game mode... but if you want subs in the game, pls make the ASW more interesting.

 

And pls get some adequate Dasha-replacements one can take serious. I feel like a grandpa watching those kids - are they even legally allowed to have a drink or drive?

[Stronginthearms]

 

On 2/7/2023 at 9:01 AM, Seraphice said:

Right now there are no plans to change how hybrids work in the matchmaking. While a lot of people are now playing them because they are new, having multiple hybrids + CV is not very common.

 

As for the subs, the limit for submarines in regular matchmaking is 2, and that holds true even for divisions. However as the waiting time for a battle increases, the matchmaker will start to loosen those restrictions, which means after some time, it will be possible to have more than 2 submarines in the battle.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

you really are trying to destroy the game arnt you?

[Sol_reginae]

On 2/6/2023 at 4:40 PM, Seraphice said:

The request to introduce support CVs has actually been floated by the community for a while since the CV rework - especially CVs with the ability to e.g. drop an aerial smoke screen. I even recall reading a lot of those comments before I joined Wargaming.

Please, link.

As well as references to "numerous demands" for the introduction of submarines.

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, Sol_reginae said:

Please, link.

As well as references to "numerous demands" for the introduction of submarines.

Yep, its funny that a few players claim that lots of players requested Submarines on the forums, reddit, YouTube, discord etc.

 

But I have been playing this game with 2 accounts, on and off, since the closed alpha. I don't recall seeing tons of players requesting for Submarines.

 

I guess that yet again, its that SILENT MAJORITY.