Thanks, but no, nope and all the others.

[Figment]

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Umm......at T8?? Well idk.... which one? I don't play babbies....

Thought you meant in general, think there are some at T9-T* with more range? Thought I’ve seen 11 at least?

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Ermm.... you missing the point. It is resource draining tool. The thing is, you don't know what the sub gonna do. Ya know when Dd's say that XYZ has used damacon? Plus you have a LOT of other things to do, avoiding the sub is NOT the objective. For example Weegee has fukked up cruiser play real good by removing the disp debuff from camo's  so survival is a challenge by itself.

Honestly if people repair every time they get pinged they deserve what they’ve got coming. :/ Just remove the line of sight between you and the sub and whatever it fired is going to miss. It is the dumbfires that are dangerous.

 

Unless a ping indicates torps coming from the side or torps making a big curve, DCP is a bit of a waste when it comes to dodging homing torps as you can do this speed and turns and the automatic break at ~300m from the lead point that exists now (differs per class iirc?).

 

If stationary, sure, if you can actually get some speed, otherwise might as well ignore.

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I played enough ranked testing to know, see and experience, how a sub can break up a push. And subs were waay closer to being called balanced vs how they are now. Since then they received  just a shitton of mindless, unjustifiable and dishonest buffs so......no thanks.

Depends on which iteration we’re looking at. The silly citadels have been removed for instance.

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But the maps being smallish, also induce much more  and much more lethal consequences.

A lot of people like close quarters though. It’s different from the main, but not necessarily “bad”. More chances for ambushing, secondaries and cruiser torps actually being useful. It does not favour attrition based units and more alpha strike instead. It forces more quick decisionmaking and that too isn’t bad per se. Of course it means lots and lots of of Gerry ships…

[Andrewbassg]

46 minutes ago, Figment said:

Thought you meant in general, think there are some at T9-T* with more range? Thought I’ve seen 11 at least?

:) As the pic shows, the brawl is T8.

57 minutes ago, Figment said:

Honestly if people repair every time they get pinged they deserve what they’ve got coming. :/ Just remove the line of sight between you and the sub and whatever it fired is going to miss. It is the dumbfires that are dangerous.

:) That's not the issue. Not being 1v1 its a team mode. What one deserves is irrelevant in this context.

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Depends on which iteration we’re looking at. The silly citadels have been removed for instance.

All until they appeared in randoms. Ranked is my main mode. IF subs reappear there, in their current form, that will change.  One form of retarded abomination is more then enough.

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

A lot of people like close quarters though. It’s different from the main, but not necessarily “bad”. More chances for ambushing, secondaries and cruiser torps actually being useful. It does not favour attrition based units and more alpha strike instead. It forces more quick decisionmaking and that too isn’t bad per se. Of course it means lots and lots of of Gerry ships…

 Yes that's an accurate description of brawls. Without subs, of course.

 

Otherwise, it would be nice if you wouldn't contradict your arguments, yourself :) Ya know, bonus points for credibility :) Attrition has nothing to do with overwhelming DCP, but the latter has everything to do with team tactics.

[Figment]

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

:) As the pic shows, the brawl is T8.

Yes. Again, thought you were speaking in more general terms about ASW.

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

:) That's not the issue. Not being 1v1 its a team mode. What one deserves is irrelevant in this context.

Bad/good teamwork and individual bad/good play and resource (consumable/DCP) management is always relevant to what either side deserves. :)

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

All until they appeared in randoms. Ranked is my main mode. IF subs reappear there, in their current form, that will change.  One form of retarded abomination is more then enough.

Fair enough.

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

 Yes that's an accurate description of brawls. Without subs, of course

 

Otherwise, it would be nice if you wouldn't contradict your arguments, yourself :) Ya know, bonus points for credibility :) Attrition has nothing to do with overwhelming DCP, but the latter has everything to do with team tactics.

I havn’t contradicted anything… :/ Plus I’m not sure what you’re think I’m argueing (against).

 

Attrition and DCP do have a lot to do with one another btw: flooding and fire damage due to not being able to use DCP as it was used to disable a ping is damage over time. That’s the main complaint regarding subs’ ping influence: taking away DCP for repairs and causing increased vulnerability to attrition, as well as not being able to perform other repairs to damaged modules.

 

In theory, you could even argue pings increase the need for DCP management that negates attrition. (Which might be good for long term DPS units, but not for the enjoyment of the game by the target).

[Andrewbassg]

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Yes. Again, thought you were speaking in more general terms about ASW.

 

OK.

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Bad/good teamwork and individual bad/good play and resource (consumable/DCP) management is always relevant to what either side deserves. :)

Nah, nope.:) I mean the phrase is true, but that wasn't the point:). You said, if somebody misplays (with their DCP)  deserves to be sunk. But that has no relevancy in our case, coz we talk about brawls (context) and that being a team mode, gets reflected back at the team .Even if the team has no fault if one is bad at  consumable management, because, they have no saying in who gets cast in the team. Coz MM is ( presumably) "blind". Therefore is a bad argument. (Context is always king.:)) A is an A and not a B even if both are letters and part of the alphabet.

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

I havn’t contradicted anything… :/ Plus I’m not sure what you’re think I’m argueing (against).

 

:) Well, you are not as much arguing against,  more like for.:)

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Attrition and DCP do have a lot to do with one another btw: flooding and fire damage due to not being able to use DCP as it was used to disable a ping is damage over time. That’s the main complaint regarding subs’ ping influence: taking away DCP for repairs and causing increased vulnerability to attrition, as well as not being able to perform other repairs to damaged modules.

 

Yes and no. Yes attrition is DOT, however overwhelming the DCP could have immediate consequences, like you said yourself (again :)). And don't forget that this goes both ways, HE spam could also open up avenues for the sub to strike.

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

In theory, you could even argue pings increase the need for DCP management that negates attrition. (Which might be good for long term DPS units, but not for the enjoyment of the game by the target).

The argument is again, invalid, because while the threats concerning DCP have increased, they weren't balanced out by other means Like more charges ( for Ru babbies) or shorter cooldown.

Which equals bad, lazy and careless game design.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

17 hours ago, SeaWolf7 said:

How do you brawl with a sub?

Actually how the F do you brawl IN a sub?

 

 

 

You bring a shotgun?