Why are so many ships restricted in the next CB?

[RazorBlade72]

There are now 9 ships restricted for the next CB. So you have a nice ship and you can't use it. Why is that, and why so many? There might now be people that have only one or a few ships that they can use and they can't join the CB because all their ships are restricted. Yes, they can join in a rental but that is not what you want, right? I think this restriction proces is getting way out of hand. 

[Klopirat]

Vor 17 Minuten, RazorBlade72 sagte:

Why is that, and why so many?

 

Vor 15 Stunden, YabbaCoe sagte:

The restrictions in the season are twofold: They serve both to make the meta diverse from the last season that had the same base format and to experiment with some more restrictions.

The restriction on 30mm overmatch was put into place to allow more cruiser options, especially with double battleships allowed. For additional restrictions, we certainly will have to look at the data and feedback, but it is fair to say that we are willing to shake things up more this season - be it in tightening or loosening the restrictions.

 

[ColonelPete]

To make the season different to the last.

[SurfaceFish]

5 hours ago, Klopirat said:

to make the meta diverse from the last season

Open the gate to CV and subs then! 

[Hirohito]

6 hours ago, RazorBlade72 said:

There are now 9 ships restricted for the next CB. So you have a nice ship and you can't use it. Why is that, and why so many? There might now be people that have only one or a few ships that they can use and they can't join the CB because all their ships are restricted. Yes, they can join in a rental but that is not what you want, right? I think this restriction proces is getting way out of hand. 

The reason is simple:

WG has created too many ships that are significantly stronger than others, to the point that it would impact the meta in such a way that these ships would be stacked.
Some ship types are also so dominant that it would kill a healthy representation of all classes.

BBs are the most restricted class, and the reason for that is that they both provide the strongest, consistent and punishing crossfire in the game, while a lot of them also have 30mm overmatching guns that further exacerbate the problem of cruisers taking either catastrophic damage or getting outright devstruck from BB fire.
BBs especially are too strong for CBs as an isolated ship class, and the restrictions are thus in place in order to limit BB spam which would kill off cruiser play.

(But of course, potatoes will keep claiming that cruiser HE and fires are OP, as always)

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Hirohito said:

The reason is simple:

WG has created too many ships that are significantly stronger than others, to the point that it would impact the meta in such a way that these ships would be stacked.
Some ship types are also so dominant that it would kill a healthy representation of all classes.

BBs are the most restricted class, and the reason for that is that they both provide the strongest, consistent and punishing crossfire in the game, while a lot of them also have 30mm overmatching guns that further exacerbate the problem of cruisers taking either catastrophic damage or getting outright devstruck from BB fire.
BBs especially are too strong for CBs as an isolated ship class, and the restrictions are thus in place in order to limit BB spam which would kill off cruiser play.

(But of course, potatoes will keep claiming that cruiser HE and fires are OP, as always)

It is doubtful that Preussen is too strong.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It is doubtful that Preussen is too strong.

Being hard to kill is certainly it's own benefit, then add 457mm overmatch, secondaries, a long range hydro and rather short engagement distances...

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Being hard to kill is certainly it's own benefit, then add 457mm overmatch, secondaries, a long range hydro and rather short engagement distances...

And she is still not too strong...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

People just cried to much about how boring the season was because the best teams all picked the same lineup (What a surprise, who wouldn't pick the best possible setups?). So WG restricted the most picked choices of last season so the same players can complain about the next new best lineup.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

People just cried to much about how boring the season was because the best teams all picked the same lineup (What a surprise, who wouldn't pick the best possible setups?). So WG restricted the most picked choices of last season so the same players can complain about the next new best lineup.

Preussen was rather rare.

[lup3s]

7 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

What a surprise, who wouldn't pick the best possible setups?

 

According to some, that would be unethical. Better to play with the worst ships and 0-point captains.

 

Praise be the lord of light !

[arttuperkunas]

The Kleber/Marceau spam is going to be brutal.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, lup3s said:

 

According to some, that would be unethical. Better to play with the worst ships and 0-point captains.

 

Praise be the lord of light !

True. Gonna pick the shittiest setup to prove how good we are otherwise we are just easy mode no skill scrubs

[Siagor]

14 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

According to some, that would be unethical. Better to play with the worst ships and 0-point captains.

 

 

Hmmm... this just might explain the last 11 months. Maybe that's an official, military approach.

[Hirohito]

1 hour ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

People just cried to much about how boring the season was because the best teams all picked the same lineup (What a surprise, who wouldn't pick the best possible setups?). So WG restricted the most picked choices of last season so the same players can complain about the next new best lineup.

Its not that easy.

Some ships can be so strong vis-a-vis the rest that picking them is a nobrainer. But when the "next best" ship has less of a relative power spike compared to the rest, that can shake up the meta and make more ships viable in that you dont get unduly punished by picking a ship that is relatively less behind the current top pick.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, Hirohito said:

Its not that easy.

Some ships can be so strong vis-a-vis the rest that picking them is a nobrainer. But when the "next best" ship has less of a relative power spike compared to the rest, that can shake up the meta and make more ships viable in that you dont get unduly punished by picking a ship that is relatively less behind the current top pick.

double dm / nevsky haru smoke meta says hello

[ItsEyeJasper]

10 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

double dm / nevsky haru smoke meta says hello

As long as we are not Plagued by 3 x French DD & 2 x Khaba i am fine.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, ItsEyeJasper said:

As long as we are not Plagued by 3 x French DD & 2 x Khaba i am fine.

 

Delny will be more likely than khaba because usable torps

[Panocek]

Wouldn't true skill come from working and winning with what you get, not what you want? Basically dice roll which ship you get as you enter CB/Ranked, so you need to figure out strategies on the fly and be familiar with as many ships as possible.

 

[arttuperkunas]

I for one am glad Småland is banned. Not (just) because it's OP, but because it's such an automatic pick. As for banning (most) overmatch BBs, I think that will be interesting in terms of producing slightly different CB dynamics this season. Ofc it might be terrible, but at least a new kind of terribble.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Wouldn't true skill come from working and winning with what you get, not what you want? Basically dice roll which ship you get as you enter CB/Ranked, so you need to figure out strategies on the fly and be familiar with as many ships as possible.

 

The strategies barely change as most CB strats simply revolve around building triangles.

[Hirohito]

15 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

double dm / nevsky haru smoke meta says hello

We'll see if that is the only viable meta when that happens then.

[PrZelenskiy_UA]

From this movement in the next season, I am 50/50 satisfied and not satisfied. The whole problem is that these battleships pierce almost any cruiser with 30 mm armor in the bow ... but you forgot Shikishima, Yamato and Incamparable ... Based on what, these battleships will replace those that are limited. Well, the setups of French destroyers remain important, which have been causing imbalance in this mode for several seasons already... I would recommend in subsequent seasons of the CB to FOREVER exclude ships that cannot be obtained in any way, I'm talking about Thunderer and Småland. Thus, it will be fair to young clans and players who simply do not have these ships and will add the opportunity, like you in  your text, to EXPERIMENT on ship setups.
Otherwise, we will observe a picture when every season instead of Girings, Darings, Shimakaze and others they will take Marceau or Småland or combine their number

[WarburtonLee]

2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Being hard to kill is certainly it's own benefit, then add 457mm overmatch, secondaries, a long range hydro and rather short engagement distances...

You can call German BBs alot of things, but hard to kill isnt one of them imo. 

[PrZelenskiy_UA]

Well, if you do not want constant resentment in the KB for the fact that you are increasing the limited ships, then you should think about working out the armor of cruisers, because this is a global problem. Take a look at Random Battles or Ranked Battles (especially at lvl 5-8). The superior number of ships is occupied by destroyers and battleships, and there are 1-2 cruisers, or even none at all ... This says something ...