Schlieffen rebalance

[Sigismund_First_Marshall]

Greetings. I would like to ask the developers a question. Don't you think that schlieffen requires rebalancing, the ship can't be played normally in random with the current characteristics. Especially considering the superships. At the moment he is a punching bag. Why not increase his HP reserve or improve the accuracy of the main caliber shooting. Dear developers, if you call a ship a "melee ship", then make it normal. For anyone who will say that my hands are crooked for schlieffen, look at my statistics on him first!

[Hirohito]

Schlieffen is already way too strong for ranked, and showcases that if you rebalance it for large team formats lile random, then you make it broken in small team formats like ranked.

Hard no, if anything the boat could need a (ranked) nerf as currently any deep red potato will overperform in it.

[Nibenay78]

5 minutes ago, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

Greetings. I would like to ask the developers a question. Don't you think that schlieffen requires rebalancing, the ship can't be played normally in random with the current characteristics. Especially considering the superships. At the moment he is a punching bag. Why not increase his HP reserve or improve the accuracy of the main caliber shooting. Dear developers, if you call a ship a "melee ship", then make it normal. For anyone who will say that my hands are crooked for schlieffen, look at my statistics on him first!

It burns really well! <3

[Sigismund_First_Marshall]

7 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Schlieffen is already way too strong for ranked, and showcases that if you rebalance it for large team formats lile random, then you make it broken in small team formats like ranked.

Hard no, if anything the boat could need a (ranked) nerf as currently any deep red potato will overperform in it.

Nerf? Are you normal at all? Go play at random, since you're going to nerf

[Hirohito]

5 minutes ago, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

Nerf? Are you normal at all? Go play at random, since you're going to nerf

Learn to read.

[Sigismund_First_Marshall]

Just now, Hirohito said:

Learn to read.

Learn to play 

[Hirohito]

1 minute ago, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

Learn to play 

What does this have to do with Schlieffenbeing balanced or not?

Oh, you just got salty and wanted a quick comeback reply.

 

Ok, pathetic, but I understand.

[ColonelPete]

22 minutes ago, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

Greetings. I would like to ask the developers a question. Don't you think that schlieffen requires rebalancing, the ship can't be played normally in random with the current characteristics. Especially considering the superships. At the moment he is a punching bag. Why not increase his HP reserve or improve the accuracy of the main caliber shooting. Dear developers, if you call a ship a "melee ship", then make it normal. For anyone who will say that my hands are crooked for schlieffen, look at my statistics on him first!

Funny forum. Some insist she is too strong, others insists she is too weak. Both sides cannot be right.

[Hirohito]

15 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Funny forum. Some insist she is too strong, others insists she is too weak. Both sides cannot be right.

If you differentiate between game modes, both can be right though.

Schlieffen is not that fantastic in randoms, but oh my is it efficient at carrying 44% shitters into gold league where they can keep overperforming despite belonging in bronze.

[lafeel]

24 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Funny forum. Some insist she is too strong, others insists she is too weak. Both sides cannot be right.

In such a situation the truth is usually in the middle.

[lup3s]

21 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

What does this have to do with Schlieffenbeing balanced or not?

Oh, you just got salty and wanted a quick comeback reply.

 

Ok, pathetic, but I understand.

 

Disagreeing with people on the internet ... 

[Nov_A]

Schlieffen is either an OP secondary brawler or a mediocre semi-stealth battlecruiser, depending on the game mode or how a game develops. Since randoms at T10 tend to be more campy, long-range and people on EU turn heel and kite at the first sight of danger, Schlieffen has a hard time there, while modes like brawls, airship escort or sometimes even competitve with closer combat distances and actual tactics play hard into Schlieffen's strengths. A buff seems unnecessary.

 

If you suffer in randoms, play it in division with smokeslave DDs or long range HE spammers that draw fire and help you torch enemies, once the game turns, you can take the lead for them.

 

[Sigismund_First_Marshall]

1 minute ago, Nov_A said:

Schlieffen is either an OP secondary brawler or a mediocre semi-stealth battlecruiser, depending on the game mode or how a game develops. Since randoms at T10 tend to be more campy, long-range and people on EU turn heel and kite at the first sight of danger, Schlieffen has a hard time there, while modes like brawls, airship escort or sometimes even competitve with closer combat distances and actual tactics play hard into Schlieffen's strengths. A buff seems unnecessary.

 

If you suffer in randoms, play it in division with smokeslave DDs or long range HE spammers that draw fire and help you torch enemies, once the game turns, you can take the lead for them.

 

You're going to teach me how to play Schlieffen, lol, I'm saying what I see every single day in this game. I didn't ask you to teach me how to play, it's not for you to do it

[Hirohito]

Just now, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

You're going to teach me how to play Schlieffen, lol, I'm saying what I see every single day in this game. I didn't ask you to teach me how to play, it's not for you to do it

So this isnt a topic at all in other words, its just a whine thread where you want everyone to agree with you.

[Margin_Walker]

Guy with 340 games in Schlieffen, 67% W/R (9% above account average), 2500 PR and 145k average damage in the ship, starting a thread saying it's impossible to play the ship in randoms. 

 

Interesting

[VedranSeaWolf359]

Schlieffen I think that it is fine and fun I would only like that its bonus package cost lower to buy it

[159Hunter]

So you want the Schlieffen to be buffed to get your solo WR to what? 70%

You clearly know how to play the ship, and do very well in it.

 

If we look at the global statistics Schlieffen is one of the better silver BBs.

And yet you want to buff it?
 

Why?

[lameoll]

schliefen is a great ship in good hands.

in the average players hand who cant position its a bad ship.

 

i dont really come at the forums that mutch annymore but when i do there is some topic about schliefen balance.

 

personally i dont think she needs one tho 

[Itwastuesday]

Just nerf carriers and subs and add better maps and Schlieffen will be fine in randos too. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

3 hours ago, Hirohito said:

If you differentiate between game modes, both can be right though.

Schlieffen is not that fantastic in randoms, but oh my is it efficient at carrying 44% shitters into gold league where they can keep overperforming despite belonging in bronze.

Do you have any stats that could confirms it better performance in ranked vs random?

[Redcap375]

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Funny forum. Some insist she is too strong, others insists she is too weak. Both sides cannot be right.

 

Yeah well isnt that the story of this forum, lol.

 

But seriously, the guy is trolling hard. He has 320 ships and it's currently 8th in his top 10 damage dealers and 1st regarding win/game ratio.

 

Trolling....Hard.

 

Plus the guy seems like a D*** regardless.

[Hirohito]

45 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Do you have any stats that could confirms it better performance in ranked vs random?

Don't think that there has been any way to get that data for a few years now, so its anecdotal evidencein any case.
That being said, I have checked the stats of schlieffen potatoes out of curiosity, and in the majority of cases they have some very bad account wide stats (42-46% and the like), but often somewhere around 52-55% ranked WR when playing schlieffen.

[Redcap375]

41 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Don't think that there has been any way to get that data for a few years now, so its anecdotal evidencein any case.
That being said, I have checked the stats of schlieffen potatoes out of curiosity, and in the majority of cases they have some very bad account wide stats (42-46% and the like), but often somewhere around 52-55% ranked WR when playing schlieffen.

 

The truth lays in 2 things:

 

1) The smaller map and 2) smaller amount of ships. 

 

Brawling ships shine in smaller maps (obviously) and with a smaller amount of ships, you have less chance of being HE spammed or overmatched from all angles by BB's.  You have less ships that can concentrate on you and you have less targets you need to focus on to get those secondaries working.

 

Taking the Schlieffen is basically bringing a BB in battle with a cruiser and crap DD strapped to it's hull.  You are REALLY bring 3 ships to battle.  So the less ships the enemy can take, the better it becomes.

 

There are more ships able to focus on it in Randoms than there are in ranked.  Ranked, unlike Randoms tend to go more "brawling" anyway due to the nature of the gamemode.

 

My ranked stats in it:

 

Schlieffen

10

Germany

41

73.17%

2 217

125 778

1.34

1.95

Details

 

Compared to Randoms:

 

32

Schlieffen

10

Germany

18

55.56%

1 737

106 053

1.28

2.89

Details

 

Yes I have had only a few games in randoms but there is a difference. That is down to the mode and meta which at this moment in time in Randoms is so messed up with HE spam, subs and CV's. Like completely unfixable messed up.

 

Just look at the current Airship Escort mode? It's a beast as it plays perfectly into the close proximity style of the gamemode. The Schlidffen has everything required to play close up and personal (Hydro, torps and monster secondaries).  But if the game mode or meta requires more static stay at the back like it is now, then all those strengths are stripped from it and there are better ships to play for that meta e.g. Thunderer, Borg, Slava,  incomparable, Yam ect...

 

It's by no means crap in randoms, far from it, but it's more of a up hill struggle. That's not down to the ship, but the gamemodes meta.  I know that when i go into Random battles in a BB, in tier 10/11, I need a ship that can pull it's weight at a semi-distance at least or I will get "out camped" by the enemy. The Kurfurst suffers slightly less in Randoms and that's only down to a lot more armour, no torps required, HP (like 30,000 more) and more guns to use AT RANGE.

 

 Its horses for courses. 

 

[Hirohito]

Removed.

[Varian_Dorn]

15 hours ago, Sigismund_First_Marshall said:

You're going to teach me how to play Schlieffen, lol, I'm saying what I see every single day in this game. I didn't ask you to teach me how to play, it's not for you to do it

One can only teach those who are willing to learn... and for that matter understand there is something to learn.

 

In short, you don´t qualify anyway.