Can we kindly get some more coal BB's in Armory @Devs

[Sir_Sinksalot]

650k+ coal and nothing to spend it on(for a BB main).

Well, one thing that stood out with this interesting mixed tier Ranked season is the lack of coal ships at other tiers too.

 

For BB's the current Armory coal offerings are.

 

T5 - 2

T6 - 0

T7 - 1

T8 - 0

T9 - 4

T10 - 1

 

Maybe even consider Steel offerings.

 

[ReverendFlashback]

There are more than enough good premium bbs for coal available.

Compared to the other two main classes they have pretty much the best offerings anyway.

If anything they should add some T9 cruiser that isn't Carnot or Tulsa 

 

Maybe spread out to other classes instead?

[Figment]

I do think there's an overall issue with coal spending, where there's a huge gap in the costs. Most ships are either really cheap, below 100K, or really expensive (>200K) in terms of coal, but there's barely anything of interest in the mid ranges. Wouldn't say that's just the BBs as a class though.

 

I'd like to see low and mid tier Dutch BBs if they're not planning a full paper line in some silly brainfart for example. Same for the European lines in general.

 

Also plenty of room for sister ship variants within existing classes with minor changes or freemium characteristics (free captain placement/faster training, that sort of thing). Though I wouldn't mind side-grinding tech tree lines in that sense. Bit like what you have in War Thunder where there's 5 million variants of the same unit.

 

For CVs there's just the top tiers, not sure why since they have the old T5, T7 and T9 CVs at the least which they could shift one tier up or down with some adjustments with ease. It's not like there's going to be more in the MM as it's limited to two a team, would just add a bit more variety.

[Rockstone_III]

1 hour ago, ReverendFlashback said:

...

Maybe spread out to other classes instead?

I think there are enough coal CV's (Max I and Malta), though a coal submarine could be fun.

 

I do wonder though if the upcomming USN BB Illinois might be for coal.

[NewHorizons_1]

35 minutes ago, Figment said:

Bit like what you have in War Thunder where there's 5 million variants of the same unit.

Kinda sounds like Gran Turismo 2 back in the day.

It boasted it had 650 cars, but around half of them seemed to be various types of modded Nissan Skylines.

 

Back on topic : I wouldn't mind a decent premium/freemium German destroyer (of any tier) :- something my fleet is noticeably missing.

There's Z-44 but that doesn't sound that great.

 

2 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

T8 - 0

It is odd that there are no T8 coal ships of any class.

But, Tirpitz or Massa for coal would be nice (but probably not likely).

 

2 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

650k+ coal and nothing to spend it on(for a BB main).

My approach with coal is wait for coupon and spent it on the really expensive ship you're after.

Then when you have enough, buy a cheap coal ship to avoid getting it an SC (or event crate).

Being a co-op main, I have the advantage that it's easier to sail a wider range of ships than PvP (I like cruisers, but I'd be bad in randoms with them).

Of course, if there's no ship that floats your boat, then you could always use coal to obtain a legendary commander.

Maybe get a cruiser for coal and use it operations?

 

[NewHorizons_1]

9 minutes ago, Commander_Rockstone said:

... though a coal submarine could be fun.

The Royal Navy almost went there (oil fired not coal) ... it didn't work well at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_K-class_submarine

 

[RuneSlayers]

Vor 55 Minuten, Figment sagte:

I do think there's an overall issue with coal spending, where there's a huge gap in the costs. Most ships are either really cheap, below 100K, or really expensive (>200K) in terms of coal, but there's barely anything of interest in the mid ranges.  

Well...that's because WG sells T-VIII ships for dubloons only. 

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said:

If anything they should add some T9 cruiser that isn't Carnot or Tulsa 

And you will get, Azuma and Agir for coal in few months

 

1 hour ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

It is odd that there are no T8 coal ships of any class.

But, Tirpitz or Massa for coal would be nice (but probably not likely).

My guess, tier 8 premiums always were intended to be cash only. Proliferation of tier 9+ freemiums kinda put a questionmark for tier 8, damaging their sales, so WG decided to do "hit two birds with one stone" maneuver and increase appeal of tier 8 by bringing supershits

[Sir_Sinksalot]

3 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

 

My approach with coal is wait for coupon and spent it on the really expensive ship you're after.

Then when you have enough, buy a cheap coal ship to avoid getting it an SC (or event crate).

Being a co-op main, I have the advantage that it's easier to sail a wider range of ships than PvP (I like cruisers, but I'd be bad in randoms with them).

Of course, if there's no ship that floats your boat, then you could always use coal to obtain a legendary commander.

Maybe get a cruiser for coal and use it operations?

 

 

My approach for coal "management" is as follows. 

 

If there's nothing of great interest to buy with coal, save enough coal that would purchase at least 2 of the most expensive coal ships even without discounts before considering buying some coal ship of no great interest to me. That way, if I did buy some less desirable coal ship but afterwards WG springs an unforeseen and unannounced surprise by adding some new T10 coal ship that I'd immediately want, I'd still be in the position(or very close) to buy that new ship without regretting buying the other ship first.

 

But now that I'm in that position, tbh I'm still very reluctant to bother buying some coal ship that I probably don't really want and won't play much of simply "because".

 

Having tier specific game-modes are a great way to encourage that and give other ships a lot more relevancy and attractiveness when featured as a top tier ship away from that 3 tier rando format, but as mentioned, these ship options just aren't available for coal at some tiers which seems odd to me given these ships are available at even higher tiers such as T9 and T10 which are premier tiers for this game with only T11 being higher. It's like WG devs are caught between different ideas and directions to take which conflict with each other.

 

If the argument for not featuring coal ships at T8 was money, then it makes even less sense to offer T9 ships valued at €63 for coal, and T10 ships aren't even available to buy for cash yet can be obtained with coal albeit just one ship, the GK. What price would that sell for if placed in the premium shop? €90-100? Regardless of "GK is meh" it would still be a way for a completely new player to buy their way straight into T10 immediately and it ain't that bad of a ship tbh, certainly a decent ranked ship with it's tanky armor, lots of mains, secondary with 32mm+ of pen, torp spotting hydro and decent AA. It ain't Bourgo but still, it's a decent T10 and I'd expect some people would buy it for €90-100 if it was offered in the premium shop. Yet it's only available for coal. Therefore it kinda makes no sense that T8 has no coal ships at all, of ANY class, as much as to suggest that T8 is the premier tier in this game and that T9 and T10 are considered inferior tiers in the pecking order of things.

 

Same can nearly be said about T6. There's lots of T6 premiums, is this a secret seal clubbing tier I didn't know about that there's lots of T6 premiums and yet no coal ships other than 3 DD's? T7 only has 4 coal ships.

 

Co-op is trash imho, just something to play for missions which makes spending as much as 300k a waste(personally speaking) but I do like Ops but that's restricted to tiers in which we simply don't have many(or any in T8) coal ships available. Plus I find that Ops randomly drawn missions, the new balance with OP bot waves make it a struggle and downright impossible for T6 and T7 ships to carry and as such makes it a "T8 only" mode for any solo player that wants to play this mode with at least having a small chance to carry when all teammates melt and go AFK or God knows what.

[NewHorizons_1]

2 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Same can be said that there's no T6.

There could be some T6s that could be made available for coal.

For those that missed them as a dockyard/event rewards, Repulse & Novorossiysk for example.

Maybe some of the older premiums (whose sales may be drying up anyway) like Warspite.

 

13 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

T7 only has 4 coal ships.

And one of them, Flint, is quite expensive for a T7 - presumably because it was a former Steel ship.

 

24 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Co-op is trash imho,

I can understand co-op not being everyone's cup of tea. But for me Randoms have gone trash ...

 

26 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

... downright impossible for T6 and T7 ships to carry and as such makes it a "T8 only" mode for anyone that wants to play this mode with at least having a small chance to carry when all teammates melt and go AFK or God knows what.

Ops rework should have included forming teams of same tier ships so that they could be still used by newer players in T6s to learn the ropes instead of being dropped in at the deep end against way higher tier ships with often artificially inflated stats (Eg Musashi in Newport with ~130k health).

Some T7 ships that do well in ops can still perform (Weimar, Scharny, Atlanta), but yes it's much, much harder work.

Sadly I rarely used any of my fave T6s (Leander, Nurnburg, Dido) since.

[tocqueville8]

38 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

it kinda makes no sense that T8 has no coal ships at all, of ANY class, as much as to suggest that T8 is the premier tier in this game and that T9 and T10 are considered inferior tiers in the pecking order of things.

 

I reckon the idea was that allowing people to just buy their way into Tier 9-10 would've been bad for gameplay, and besides a lot of highly historical WW2 ships were going to be Tier 8: Bismarck, South Dakota & North Carolina classes, Baltimore & Cleveland, lots of IJN DDs, many CVs...

Besides, Tier 8s are already quite expensive if you buy them without a coupon: if you're a collector and you want most of them, you're already giving WG quite a bit of money. Maybe it was also to keep up player numbers: if you can buy a Tier 8 at most, you'll still grind to Tier 10 to always be top dog, while going higher defeats that purpose.

 

And it's not just that there are no Tier 8 coal ships: there are no Tier 8 freemiums at all...

[Figment]

47 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

And it's not just that there are no Tier 8 coal ships: there are no Tier 8 freemiums at all...

Soon there's no freemiums at all, but more coal ships...

[Ymustihaveaname]

1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

but I do like Ops but that's restricted to tiers in which we simply don't have many(or any in T8) coal ships available. Plus I find that Ops randomly drawn missions, the new balance with OP bot waves make it a struggle and downright impossible for T6 and T7 ships to carry and as such makes it a "T8 only" mode for any solo player that wants to play this mode with at least having a small chance to carry when all teammates melt and go AFK or God knows what. 

With T8 Op now, I do think WG could do some t8 ships for none dubs after all they are effectively selling steel and coal in the BP (and dockyard stages), so they would still be getting money from people who want the ships faster if they say sold a few of the T8 ships for semi inflated prices say at the same as T9 prices as they used to be only for dubs.

 

Not that I think they will sell my favourite OPs ship ie Massa to people except in an auction or crates as It's still too good, but say the recent T8 dockyard ships and a few other T8 in armoury might get more people to buy BP for the steel and coal.

[BLUB__BLUB]

5 hours ago, Figment said:

I do think there's an overall issue with coal spending, where there's a huge gap in the costs. Most ships are either really cheap, below 100K, or really expensive (>200K) in terms of coal, but there's barely anything of interest in the mid ranges

I agree. Not a lot mid-range. I already have all the low-hanging fruit and most of the top. 

 

[22cm]

No. Submarines for coal this year.

[BLUB__BLUB]

5 minutes ago, 22cm said:

No. Submarines for coal this year.