What happened to the 150% XP/FXP/CXP bonuses of the Ultimate Crocodile camo for the Black?

[ThePurpleSmurf]

28 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

The information on the wiki is of the old bonuses - the new bonuses have increased commander and free xp gains since ship XP modifiers no longer affect commander/free xp

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

The new bonuses don't seem to not have found their way to Black. The old alternate camo, which gave 150% to all XP types, is no longer obtainable. Why is only the cosmetic available but not the improved bonuses, but the price remained the same. Before you paid 10 Ranked token for improved bonuses plus new cosmetic, now you pay 10 Ranked token for cosmetic without bonuses. Both, the default as well as the improved camos (old) are different camos, they did not yield the same bonuses and should not be treated as default perma camos with identical stats, where the discount of first purchase makes sense. This case is different, because default and special camo are totally different - at least they used to be.

[Seraphice]

5 minutes ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

The new bonuses don't seem to not have found their way to Black. The old alternate camo, which gave 150% to all XP types, is no longer obtainable. Why is only the cosmetic available but not the improved bonuses, but the price remained the same. Before you paid 10 Ranked token for improved bonuses plus new cosmetic, now you pay 10 Ranked token for cosmetic without bonuses. Both, the default as well as the improved camos (old) are different camos, they did not yield the same bonuses and should not be treated as default perma camos with identical stats, where the discount of first purchase makes sense. This case is different, because default and special camo are totally different - at least they used to be.

It's correct that if you did not own Black with the improved bonus before update 0.11.6 hit, that the improved bonus is not available anymore at all.
If you did have the camouflage before that, and you don't have the improved bonus now - that would be a bug.

In general we decided to abandon the idea of different bonuses with the exterior separation.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[NewHorizons_1]

20 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

It's correct that if you did not own Black with the improved bonus before update 0.11.6 hit, that the improved bonus is not available anymore at all.
If you did have the camouflage before that, and you don't have the improved bonus now - that would be a bug.

In general we decided to abandon the idea of different bonuses with the exterior separation.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

OK, then can WG explain why the bonuses for my Yamato with the K117 camo (which I had before the eco rework & used to give improved commander XP and credits, but a lower ShipXP bonus IIRC) do not appear to have been applied in the new scheme?

 

As I understood the rework at the time if you had more than one perma camo on a ship, that had different XP/credit bonuses, the resulting perma bonus package would take the best of all the perma camos.

 

But if you compare the two bonus packages they appear the same. I would expect Yamato to have inherited the improved commander XP & credit bonuses from the K117 camo compared to that of a standard (eg Montana's) perma-camo.

 

T10 Yamato with has both K117 & Default perma camos:

 

 

For comparison, T10 Montana which only has the Default perma camo (again, bought pre-rework) & resulting bonus package:-

 

 

 

 

 

 

[_DemonGuard_]

13 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

OK, then can WG explain why the bonuses for my Yamato with the K117 camo (which I had before the eco rework & used to give improved commander XP and credits, but a lower ShipXP bonus IIRC) do not appear to have been applied in the new scheme?

 

As I understood the rework at the time if you had more than one perma camo on a ship, that had different XP/credit bonuses, the resulting perma bonus package would take the best of all the perma camos.

 

But if you compare the two bonus packages they appear the same. I would expect Yamato to have inherited the improved commander XP & credit bonuses from the K117 camo compared to that of a standard (eg Montana's) perma-camo.

You did get the best bonuses you had before the rework. It just doesn't stack, because before the rework, you could also only use one camo at a time.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 17 Minuten, NewHorizons_1 sagte:

OK, then can WG explain why the bonuses for my Yamato with the K117 camo (which I had before the eco rework & used to give improved commander XP and credits, but a lower ShipXP bonus IIRC) do not appear to have been applied in the new scheme?

 

As I understood the rework at the time if you had more than one perma camo on a ship, that had different XP/credit bonuses, the resulting perma bonus package would take the best of all the perma camos.

 

But if you compare the two bonus packages they appear the same. I would expect Yamato to have inherited the improved commander XP & credit bonuses from the K117 camo compared to that of a standard (eg Montana's) perma-camo.

The old K117 camo had the following bonuses:

-50% post-battle service cost
+50% Commander XP
+50% XP

(can be seen here https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/327 )

 

As such, your new bonus package is not worse than the old bonuses, it's better actually.

[NewHorizons_1]

20 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

You did get the best bonuses you had before the rework. It just doesn't stack, because before the rework, you could also only use one camo at a time.

 

13 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

The old K117 camo had the following bonuses:

-50% post-battle service cost
+50% Commander XP
+50% XP

(can be seen here https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/327 )

 

As such, your new bonus package is not worse than the old bonuses, it's better actually.

OK, I see : the 100% bonuses derived from the old ShipXP bonus on the Default camo trumped (and didn't stack on) the 50% commander bonus on the K117 (which had less Ship XP) bonus.

 

[Ubertron_X]

On 1/24/2023 at 6:02 PM, NewHorizons_1 said:

IIRC It's camos that are purchased that affect the discount.

If you get the first perma camo from a crate or mission reward but don't like it, you can purchase 2nd camo at a discount.

But a 3rd camo will be full price.

 

4 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Yes! This is correct.

 

Are you sure about that? I never bought any camo for my Tirpitz but if I were to I would have to pay full price.

 

Default comes with the ship, the Tarnanstrich was aquired via missions/marathon and I got the Magnu-S out of a crate.

 

 

Not that I want to buy another camo, just pointing out possible glitches.

 

[Ubertron_X]

Or even clearer:

 

 

So because I was "lucky" to be around to celebrate the games 6th anniversary, all future camos will be charged at full price...

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 29 Minuten, Ubertron_X sagte:

Are you sure about that? I never bought any camo for my Tirpitz but if I were to I would have to pay full price.

 

Default comes with the ship, the Tarnanstrich was aquired via missions/marathon and I got the Magnu-S out of a crate.

 

 

Not that I want to buy another camo, just pointing out possible glitches.

 

It is correct for any camos you receive after the camo/eco split. If you already had a perma camo at that time, the discount was not added to that ship.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

2 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

It is correct for any camos you receive after the camo/eco split. If you already had a perma camo at that time, the discount was not added to that ship.

Which still is shitty cause we never asked for those camos & had no way of declining them or even getting rid of them

[GulvkluderGuld]

13 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

Now this is interesting. I just checked ingame the Flint bonus from the special camo and it seems that they changed the bonus on it, but not on the Black.

 

Now I'm curious if this is an oversight. And it doesn't matter what the special camo has compared to the normal perma camo. These reward ship special camos had higher stats from the start, so you can not compare them to regular perma camos that you can buy for doubloons.

 

They didnt change it.

Previously ship XP was added to commander and free XP (5%).

Now its separate and WG artificially doubled the commander XP and FXP earnings when they made the rework.

Dont see anything new here except for WG reworks = nerfs (including removal of good camos)

[LiveWire___]

19 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

The new bonuses don't seem to not have found their way to Black.

 

 

[Seraphice]

15 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

 

Are you sure about that? I never bought any camo for my Tirpitz but if I were to I would have to pay full price.

 

Default comes with the ship, the Tarnanstrich was aquired via missions/marathon and I got the Magnu-S out of a crate.

 

 

Not that I want to buy another camo, just pointing out possible glitches.

 

In this case any ship you already had a permacamo for prior to 0.11.6 will also not have the discount.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Ubertron_X]

15 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

It is correct for any camos you receive after the camo/eco split. If you already had a perma camo at that time, the discount was not added to that ship.

 

51 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

In this case any ship you already had a permacamo for prior to 0.11.6 will also not have the discount.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

Thanks for the answers, I do understand the underlying logic now, however even after taking some time for comprehension I still don't quite understand the (commerical) reasoning why the split was done in such a way.

 

What do you think is more likely? That I spend 5.000 doubloons in order to have a somewhat historical looking (default camo) Yamato after already having received the K117 camo for free, or that I spend 200 doubloons in order to have a somehwat historical looking (default camo) Montana, especially considering that after the split all camo is cosmetics only? One is a serious 20 Euro investment comparable in magnitude to aquiring a T6 to T7 premium ship (e.g. Perth, Blyskawica), the other can be done without minding much if you just happen to have a few spare doubloons lying around.

 

But thats apparently just me and my sales background... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[NewHorizons_1]

36 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

What do you think is more likely? That I spend 5.000 doubloons in order to have a somewhat historical looking (default camo) Yamato after already having received the K117 camo for free, or that I spend 200 doubloons in order to have a somehwat historical looking (default camo) Montana, especially considering that after the split all camo is cosmetics only? One is a serious 20 Euro investment comparable in magnitude to aquiring a T6 to T7 premium ship (e.g. Perth, Blyskawica), the other can be done without minding much if you just happen to have a few spare doubloons lying around.

 

But thats apparently just me and my sales background... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Indeed, WG's marketing/sales department kinda screwed their own art department.

[NewHorizons_1]

On 1/25/2023 at 12:31 PM, Seraphice said:

Yes! This is correct.

OK, here's a couple of oddities then.

Example 1:

Fletcher (and Neptune) with the Five Epochs camo rewarded from the campaign before the rework.

A second camo is not discounted.

 

Example 2:

The perma camos that are available on my Cleveland were both mission/crate rewards : I haven't purchased any.

Freedom was awarded from a mission before the rework, Vanguard was recently rewarded from a Festive Finery crate, ie post-rework.

Why are the others then full price?

[Seraphice]

On 1/28/2023 at 5:11 PM, NewHorizons_1 said:

OK, here's a couple of oddities then.

Example 1:

Fletcher (and Neptune) with the Five Epochs camo rewarded from the campaign before the rework.

A second camo is not discounted.

 

Example 2:

The perma camos that are available on my Cleveland were both mission/crate rewards : I haven't purchased any.

Freedom was awarded from a mission before the rework, Vanguard was recently rewarded from a Festive Finery crate, ie post-rework.

Why are the others then full price?

E#1:

This is working as intended. Any ship with a permanent camouflage applied prior to the rework will not have the other camouflages discounted

 

E#2:
This is the same as above, if you had a permacamo on your ship prior to 0.11.6, you will not have a discount on that ship.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

17 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

E#1:

This is working as intended. Any ship with a permanent camouflage applied prior to the rework will not have the other camouflages discounted

 

E#2:
This is the same as above, if you had a permacamo on your ship prior to 0.11.6, you will not have a discount on that ship.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

I will remind this every time WG posts about it: the fact that we dont get discounts for camos when we already had one is shitty, especially when the camo was received, not bought.

It wasnt even possible to  not accept these camos or sell them. 

[NewHorizons_1]

13 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I will remind this every time WG posts about it: the fact that we dont get discounts for camos when we already had one is shitty, especially when the camo was received, not bought.

It wasnt even possible to  not accept these camos or sell them. 

Exceptions such as this don't do anything to improve (much needed) goodwill amongst the community.

For my next doubloon purchase I'm was considering the perma-bonus + camo for Daring.

But now, it'll probably just be the bonus package.

Which is a shame, as the WG's art department is generally well regarded by the player-base.

@Seraphice, maybe you should pass this back to WG's marketing department to see how counter-productive some of their policies actually are.