What happened to the 150% XP/FXP/CXP bonuses of the Ultimate Crocodile camo for the Black?

[ThePurpleSmurf]

Did WG just deleted them with the camo/bonus split and now you get only the cosmetics for 10 Ranked tokens, when previously this camo had +150% to all XP types while the classic perma camo for Black had +100%. Do players get double shafted, because XP bonus in general is totally useless on premium ships and on top of that they also canned the 150% FXP/CXP, which was the real incentive to get this camo?

[Yamashiro42]

15 minutes ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Did WG just deleted them with the camo/bonus split and now you get only the cosmetics for 10 Ranked tokens, when previously this camo had +150% to all XP types while the classic perma camo for Black had +100%. Do players get double shafted, because XP bonus in general is totally useless on premium ships and on top of that they also canned the 150% FXP/CXP, which was the real incentive to get this camo?

Newly acquired camos are only cosmetic. If you had some of the ones that provided improved bonuses before the economy rework, you do keep the bonuses (via improved booster pack).

[Chocan]

All the non standard version of the bonuses are no longer available, only the standard version of the permanent bonuses can be acquired. 
 

Users that had those non standard perma bonuses kept them after they were « converted » to the new version.

[Varian_Dorn]

1 hour ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Did WG just deleted them with the camo/bonus split and now you get only the cosmetics for 10 Ranked tokens, when previously this camo had +150% to all XP types while the classic perma camo for Black had +100%. Do players get double shafted, because XP bonus in general is totally useless on premium ships and on top of that they also canned the 150% FXP/CXP, which was the real incentive to get this camo?

If you had this special camo before the split the bonus should now be attached to the ship´s permanent bonus card. If not or the bonus is incorrect you might want to contact support.

[Ubertron_X]

If the camo on the ship was special then it was converted into a special booster package.

 

Example of a regular T8 booster package:

 

 

Example of an improved T8 booster package:

 

 

 

However as already mentioned above the camouflage itself is cosmetics only and afaik those improved booster packages are now unavailable for new players or late buyers.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

2 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

However as already mentioned above the camouflage itself is cosmetics only and afaik those improved booster packages are now unavailable for new players or late buyers.

Yeah I know that they are only cosmetic now. Black had 2 camos, the standard with 100% to all XP bonuses and the special camo for Ranked token with 150% bonuses. The latter is now unavailable yet the price remained the same. All other perma camos that had bonuses are split into appearance and bonus pack, where the cosmetic part is only a fraction of the old perma camo cost. So why does the special camo cost the same 10 Ranked token as before, yet it doesn't give the old, improved bonus? Just another rip-off it seems.

BTW, USS Black camo was the only one that was special in that way because it used to be a Ranked reward ship. All other special camos for Ranked and CB token had the same bonuses as the default perma camo.

[LukkaiCH]

Actually the reduced price for a permanent camouflage only applies to the first one you buy. Any further permanent camouflages you get will be full, old price.

[GulvkluderGuld]

4 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

BTW, USS Black camo was the only one that was special in that way because it used to be a Ranked reward ship. All other special camos for Ranked and CB token had the same bonuses as the default perma camo.

My Flint camo wants to have a word with you. You know the one they gave out before you reached Black? Its the great for Narai farm too :)

[Hugh_Ruka]

45 minutes ago, LukkaiCH said:

Actually the reduced price for a permanent camouflage only applies to the first one you buy. Any further permanent camouflages you get will be full, old price.

Actually the reduced price only applies if you have NO permacamo of any kind. If you acquire one by other means (container drop, event and such) the reduced price no longer applies.

[Ubertron_X]

2 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

Actually the reduced price only applies if you have NO permacamo of any kind. If you acquire one by other means (container drop, event and such) the reduced price no longer applies.

Actually also not quite fully correct if I am not entirely mistaken as at least some camoflages seem exempt from the general rule.

 

Exhibit A:

 

 

Perhaps its only the New Year and Epoch ones, but I have not equipped the later yet, so I can't comment on them.

 

 

 

[LukkaiCH]

Camouflage that isn't initially bound to a ship like the Epoch ones are exempt from this, afaik.

 

Not 100% sure about bound permanent camos received from other sources, I should be able to check later tonight.

[NewHorizons_1]

IIRC It's camos that are purchased that affect the discount.

If you get the first perma camo from a crate or mission reward but don't like it, you can purchase 2nd camo at a discount.

But a 3rd camo will be full price.

[_DemonGuard_]

5 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

BTW, USS Black camo was the only one that was special in that way because it used to be a Ranked reward ship. All other special camos for Ranked and CB token had the same bonuses as the default perma camo.

No, there were quite a few camos with special bonuses: Kii, Ashitaka and Warspite, just to name some of them.

 

35 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

Actually the reduced price only applies if you have NO permacamo of any kind. If you acquire one by other means (container drop, event and such) the reduced price no longer applies.

At least the camos gained from events don't count as "bought", so you still have the discount available.

[Hugh_Ruka]

5 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

No, there were quite a few camos with special bonuses: Kii, Ashitaka and Warspite, just to name some of them.

 

At least the camos gained from events don't count as "bought", so you still have the discount available.

I have the Z-23 Congratulatory camo from the Anniversary collection, afaik it cannot be bought, it only drops from the collection. I cannot buy the regular permacamo for a discount, only full 3k dub price.

Same with 6th Anni camo for Gadjah Mada, got it from event for the tokens, regular permacamo only available for full price. Royal Navy camo for Lightning, again a collection camo from the Royal Navy collection, same situation.

 

I don't know if those camos are available for sale in the game, I obtained them in a different way. However at least for the Anniversary collection camos, I doubt it.

 

[VenividiviciNL]

15 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Did WG just deleted them with the camo/bonus split and now you get only the cosmetics for 10 Ranked tokens, when previously this camo had +150% to all XP types while the classic perma camo for Black had +100%. Do players get double shafted, because XP bonus in general is totally useless on premium ships and on top of that they also canned the 150% FXP/CXP, which was the real incentive to get this camo?

It was all done at the moment of the Great (uhum) Economic Reworks, where the special camouflages (including those high FXP/CXP rewards) of the Black, Flint and Stalingrad where changed into normal economic booster packages.

 

WG even changed the conditions from 3 (or 5?) tokens into 10 tokens needed, although generously they mulitplied the ones in possession of the playerbase!

 

I asked in a post at that time that it was not fair to the playerbase grinding the hell out CB's and ranked to get those f*cking tokens that the ultimate rewarding was changed in a negative manner, but it got waived away by Seraphice and consorts.......

 

As such I salute the players who obtained the pre reworks camouflage with the old perks as they have something nobody can obtain anymore.

[VenividiviciNL]

9 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

I have the Z-23 Congratulatory camo from the Anniversary collection, afaik it cannot be bought, it only drops from the collection. I cannot buy the regular permacamo for a discount, only full 3k dub price.

I have finished that collection too, but I am now only interested in the economic booster package, connected to that Congratulary collection. 

 

At the time of obtaining those 5 permanent camouflages old style I had already grinded myself through the mentioned ships or was using expendable camouflages with better perks than the collection type.

 

Due to the economic reworks it doesn't matter anymore; ships booster package plus the expendable booster packages won't make up for the rewarding old style (i.e. expendable camo's + economic signals) unless you are still full on red and blues.......

 

It is that I have finished all current tech tree lines (including CV's and Subs by using FXP to prevent playing them), that luckily I don't have the need to use the remainder of the blues/reds I possess, besides the ships booster packages.

 

Have fun and enjoy till it lasts.........

[_DemonGuard_]

1 hour ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

I have the Z-23 Congratulatory camo from the Anniversary collection, afaik it cannot be bought, it only drops from the collection. I cannot buy the regular permacamo for a discount, only full 3k dub price.

Same with 6th Anni camo for Gadjah Mada, got it from event for the tokens, regular permacamo only available for full price. Royal Navy camo for Lightning, again a collection camo from the Royal Navy collection, same situation.

 

I don't know if those camos are available for sale in the game, I obtained them in a different way. However at least for the Anniversary collection camos, I doubt it.

 

That's because WG treated every camo acquired before the camo rework as it was purchased. Stated reason for this was something like: "we don't have any means to see how the camos were acquired".

[Litigo]

17 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

Did WG just deleted them with the camo/bonus split and now you get only the cosmetics for 10 Ranked tokens, when previously this camo had +150% to all XP types while the classic perma camo for Black had +100%

Yes, Wargaming just deleted them. 

Yes, there is no longer any incentive to get Ranked/Clan Battles camo for Black. (or any other ship for that matter)

[ThePurpleSmurf]

8 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

No, there were quite a few camos with special bonuses: Kii, Ashitaka and Warspite, just to name some of them.

 

9 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

My Flint camo wants to have a word with you. You know the one they gave out before you reached Black? Its the great for Narai farm too :)

 

USS Black was special in the way that its alternate perma camo gave higher bonuses. Flint (which I have too just as Black, earned it through Ranked in the old system) and all the other have the same bonus on all type of alternate camos. Black was the only ship in the game where the default camo gave 100% to XP, Free XP, Commander XP and the alt camo, the Ultimate Crocodile, gave 150%. They introduced this camo, among other Ranked reward ships/camos, when they thought Ranked Tokens were a good idea.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 2 Stunden, _DemonGuard_ sagte:

That's because WG treated every camo acquired before the camo rework as it was purchased. Stated reason for this was something like: "we don't have any means to see how the camos were acquired".

That's the problem there, I guess, yes. Because I did check now with my Gnevny (where the Vanguard camo dropped from those containers in the Carol Clash) and I can still buy the standard perma camo for 100 dubloons if I want to. So any newly acquired perma camos from collections should (hopefully) be treated the same. Anyone not finished with North Cap, Royal Navy DDs, Bismarck or any of those collections yet? That way we could check.

[GulvkluderGuld]

4 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

 

USS Black was special in the way that its alternate perma camo gave higher bonuses. Flint (which I have too just as Black, earned it through Ranked in the old system) and all the other have the same bonus on all type of alternate camos. Black was the only ship in the game where the default camo gave 100% to XP, Free XP, Commander XP and the alt camo, the Ultimate Crocodile, gave 150%. They introduced this camo, among other Ranked reward ships/camos, when they thought Ranked Tokens were a good idea.

Maybe you didn't buy the similar special camo for Flint? It has twice the normal modifiers for tier 7 (I earned mine the same way you did)

 

Exhibit A:

[ThePurpleSmurf]

1 hour ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Maybe you didn't buy the similar special camo for Flint? It has twice the normal modifiers for tier 7 (I earned mine the same way you did)

 

Exhibit A:

 

Now this is interesting. I just checked ingame the Flint bonus from the special camo and it seems that they changed the bonus on it, but not on the Black.

 

Now I'm curious if this is an oversight. And it doesn't matter what the special camo has compared to the normal perma camo. These reward ship special camos had higher stats from the start, so you can not compare them to regular perma camos that you can buy for doubloons.

[Hugh_Ruka]

8 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

That's because WG treated every camo acquired before the camo rework as it was purchased. Stated reason for this was something like: "we don't have any means to see how the camos were acquired".

Lol, they don't know their own content ? Why am I not surprised ... ok I will open a ticket for this and see where it goes ...

[Ubertron_X]

3 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

Now this is interesting. I just checked ingame the Flint bonus from the special camo and it seems that they changed the bonus on it, but not on the Black.

 

Now I'm curious if this is an oversight. And it doesn't matter what the special camo has compared to the normal perma camo. These reward ship special camos had higher stats from the start, so you can not compare them to regular perma camos that you can buy for doubloons.

 

I did some digging and according to the old split article the booster package stemming from Black's (old) Crocodile camo should also yield better bonuses.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/exterior-visuals-and-economic-bonuses/

 

(scroll down a lot)

[Seraphice]

19 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

IIRC It's camos that are purchased that affect the discount.

If you get the first perma camo from a crate or mission reward but don't like it, you can purchase 2nd camo at a discount.

But a 3rd camo will be full price.

Yes! This is correct.

 

 

4 hours ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

 

Now this is interesting. I just checked ingame the Flint bonus from the special camo and it seems that they changed the bonus on it, but not on the Black.

 

Now I'm curious if this is an oversight. And it doesn't matter what the special camo has compared to the normal perma camo. These reward ship special camos had higher stats from the start, so you can not compare them to regular perma camos that you can buy for doubloons.

The information on the wiki is of the old bonuses - the new bonuses have increased commander and free xp gains since ship XP modifiers no longer affect commander/free xp

Fair seas captain!
~Sera