is premium ships a golden pinata?

[Spearhawk1969]

I notice that whenever I play premium ships it seems like everyone on the other team ignores everyone else even DD right in front of them

to shoot at the premium ship, its gona as far as people from other areas (ABC) turns around and travels towards and fires at the golden turkey

 

is there something I am missing? I am only having a Massachusets, and its low tier, so is there a bonus for firing upon golden gooses?

[ollonborre]

A lot of premiums are really strong, so getting rid of them quickly is not a bad idea. Also considering if you play a Massachutes which is arguably one of the strongest tier 8 BB's in the game. But one more likely thing is that the ship that is the most out of position gets the most focus. And being in a secondary ship my guess is you perhaps play a bit to aggressively in order to get into secondary range quickly. Try to hang back a bit early on, take a more secure route and my guess is that this feeling of getting focused will go away.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Competence issue is my guess.

New players overextend in close range battleships rather easy and the worst of them show broadside to "muh use all the guns".

Since these ships are rather dangerous when they get close to you and everyone is easy food if they show broadside - they get murdered first. Also focussing an overextending BB in the first minutes of the game can be a decisive advantage.

 

So, don't make the mistake I did, don't play brawler BBs first, it's very hard to learn when to push and when not.

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

I notice that whenever I play premium ships it seems like everyone on the other team ignores everyone else even DD right in front of them

to shoot at the premium ship, its gona as far as people from other areas (ABC) turns around and travels towards and fires at the golden turkey

 

is there something I am missing? I am only having a Massachusets, and its low tier, so is there a bonus for firing upon golden gooses?

Looks more like you are sailing her wrong. Targets that cannot escape and are easily hit are often focussed.

[Spearhawk1969]

8 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Competence issue is my guess.

New players overextend in close range battleships rather easy and the worst of them show broadside to "muh use all the guns".

Since these ships are rather dangerous when they get close to you and everyone is easy food if they show broadside - they get murdered first. Also focussing an overextending BB in the first minutes of the game can be a decisive advantage.

 

So, don't make the mistake I did, don't play brawler BBs first, it's very hard to learn when to push and when not.

I go FAAAR behind the dd, prob 10 km or so....yet cv spot, evberyone shots from from everywhere....its like watching firewards on entire sky.

[Spearhawk1969]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Looks more like you are sailing her wrong. Targets that cannot escape and are easily hit are often focussed.

if I play further back ill be in the previous map.... 

[Spearhawk1969]

its to the point funny that when I play I act like bait, everyone targets me and the dd's goes safe from cv's and everything so they are free firing on opponent.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

if I play further back ill be in the previous map.... 

Doubtful, otherwise you would not complain about getting shot at, unless you are broadsiding the whole time, which is another issue.

[Spearhawk1969]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Doubtful, otherwise you would not complain about getting shot at, unless you are broadsiding the whole time, which is another issue.

you don't get my question, it was if it is more rewarding to hit a golden ship or not because to me it seems everyone is shooting at me, ignopring those closer, even ignoring dd firing torps at them.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, Spearhawk1969 said:

you don't get my question, it was if it is more rewarding to hit a golden ship or not because to me it seems everyone is shooting at me, ignopring those closer, even ignoring dd firing torps at them.

Enemies do not purposefully target premium ships usually. Thats why players are suggesting that you are putting yourself into overextended positions and that might be why it appears to you that everyone shoots you. 

 

Can you show us one of your games by uploading a replay file of one of the battles?

[Spearhawk1969]

Just now, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Enemies do not purposefully target premium ships usually. Thats why players are suggesting that you are putting yourself into overextended positions and that might be why it appears to you that everyone shoots you. 

 

Can you show us one of your games by uploading a replay file of one of the battles?

I stopped playing the Massachuset and went with the North Carolina because even with loss I still out xp'd(dunno if thats a word) the Mass with the NC, and not everyone is shooting at me,

 

 

but to the question , or reflection I made, then it is not due to expa xp given for hitting the golden ships, thank you, I can buy moar now :)

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

you don't get my question, it was if it is more rewarding to hit a golden ship or not because to me it seems everyone is shooting at me, ignopring those closer, even ignoring dd firing torps at them.

And that is a personal impression, which is caused by being out of position.

6 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

I stopped playing the Massachuset and went with the North Carolina because even with loss I still out xp'd(dunno if thats a word) the Mass with the NC, and not everyone is shooting at me,

 

 

but to the question , or reflection I made, then it is not due to expa xp given for hitting the golden ships, thank you, I can buy moar now :)

Earning more XP in NC than in Massa is clearly a sign that you played Massa wrong.

[Spearhawk1969]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And that is a personal impression, which is caused by being out of position.

Earning more XP in NC than in Massa is clearly a sign that you played Massa wrong.

288% PUK in a win with massa earned me 7653 silver star and 1191 free star
70% PUK with NC in a loss earned me 6111 silver and 1273 free stars.
Massa had the perm bonus, nc did not

neither of them had the daily bonus

 

the numbers don't lie....

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I don't think you can be helped if you insist on being right even with more experienced players trying to advise you.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

288% PUK in a win with massa earned me 7653 silver star and 1191 free star
70% PUK with NC in a loss earned me 6111 silver and 1273 free stars.
Massa had the perm bonus, nc did not

neither of them had the daily bonus

 

the numbers don't lie....

That is what I said...

[Spearhawk1969]

Just now, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

I don't think you can be helped if you insist on being right even with more experienced players trying to advise you.

I take the advice but when I keep track of my scores and xp earned its hard to deny scores, unless the end of combat lies.
explain to me how 288% PUK is worse then 70% PUK, or perhaps its Aslain that got it wrong.

I eagerly await the reply because I want to know

my goal is to grind to get 2 tier x ships so yeah, xp is important to me

[ZygZag]

23 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

you don't get my question, it was if it is more rewarding to hit a golden ship or not because to me it seems everyone is shooting at me, ignopring those closer, even ignoring dd firing torps at them.

NO - it is not more rewarding. Usually you shot:

- the highest threat

- the target that is easy to hit (broadsiding BB is a perfect ground to farm dmg).

[Ronchabale]

46 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

I notice that whenever I play premium ships it seems like everyone on the other team ignores everyone else even DD right in front of them

to shoot at the premium ship, its gona as far as people from other areas (ABC) turns around and travels towards and fires at the golden turkey

 

is there something I am missing? I am only having a Massachusets, and its low tier, so is there a bonus for firing upon golden gooses?

As they said you are probably too far forward//overextended, perhaps your concealment is not as good as it can be, if you are the only target.. well.. then everyone will shoot at you

Even if there is a DD in front of you he may well still be concealed,  Massa detectability without any perks is 16.1 km so a friendly DD with his 6km detection can for sure be 8-10 km in front of you without being detected

Concealment expert captain perk ?

Concealment module in slot 5

 

[Fediuld]

13 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

I stopped playing the Massachuset and went with the North Carolina because even with loss I still out xp'd(dunno if thats a word) the Mass with the NC, and not everyone is shooting at me,

 

a) We do not get more XP/credits if shooting Premium ships

b) If someone picks you over something closer is happening because 

• You are broadside
• You have radar
• You are the only ship they can see closer to them. Even if your team mate, a DD in your example, is closer to the enemy, doesn't mean they can see it. A T8 IJN torp boat (Kagero, Harekaze) has 5.4km concealment, they can drop torps at that distance (up to 10km) and be completely unspotted while you are at 15km from the target. 

c) If you get more XP with NC over Massa, then you either haven't put the perma eco bonus on it which you got from purchasing the ship, or you are doing something wrong while playing Massa. We need replays to help you how to get better 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

The PUK is not what determines how much XP or credits you earn. The only determining factor for that is the base XP value.

In this screenshot you can see me playing Des Moines with a low base XP value of 1k even though we won.

Because my base XP being so low even though we won my earnings of XP and credits is also low.

The game was over very quickly and won. It all depends on the base XP value. Do you have example screenshots of some of your battles?

 

Do you use more economy boosters on the NC than on the Massa?

[ollonborre]

2 minutes ago, Spearhawk1969 said:

I take the advice but when I keep track of my scores and xp earned its hard to deny scores, unless the end of combat lies.
explain to me how 288% PUK is worse then 70% PUK, or perhaps its Aslain that got it wrong.

I eagerly await the reply because I want to know

my goal is to grind to get 2 tier x ships so yeah, xp is important to me

Not sure what PUK is an abbreveation of? But if we go by pure numbers, the Massa earns more credits and to an extent more XP thanks to its perma bonus package. Now according to your stats the NC and Massa has virtually the same average XP gain. So in the cases where you get poor rewards out of your Massa, that means you have not done something right in that game.

 

XP is primarily calculated on wins (and you win more in your NC than in your Massa, so that also play a part) and on % of damage dealt to a target and kills (also spotting, tanking and plane kills also count but not as much). If you deal let's say 15% damage to a BB or a cruiser, the XP gain would be the same. However the damage dealt would obviously be lower when targeting the cruiser. This means farming a BB would yield more damage but the same XP as blowing up a similar portion of a cruiser.

 

So target selection also plays a big role in XP numbers. Also economic boosters as mentioned above. My personal opinion is that ship XP boosters are wasted on premium ships as you need gold to convert that XP. So on premium ships captain XP, credit and free XP boosters are the ones you want instead and save those ship XP boosters for your tech tree ships.

[NewHorizons_1]

7 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

Not sure what PUK is an abbreveation of?

Answers on a postcard.

[Spearhawk1969]

24 minutes ago, ZygZag said:

NO - it is not more rewarding. Usually you shot:

- the highest threat

- the target that is easy to hit (broadsiding BB is a perfect ground to farm dmg).

This answered my question without comments on how I play, thank you.

[Spearhawk1969]

18 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

Not sure what PUK is an abbreveation of? But if we go by pure numbers, the Massa earns more credits and to an extent more XP thanks to its perma bonus package. Now according to your stats the NC and Massa has virtually the same average XP gain. So in the cases where you get poor rewards out of your Massa, that means you have not done something right in that game.

 

XP is primarily calculated on wins (and you win more in your NC than in your Massa, so that also play a part) and on % of damage dealt to a target and kills (also spotting, tanking and plane kills also count but not as much). If you deal let's say 15% damage to a BB or a cruiser, the XP gain would be the same. However the damage dealt would obviously be lower when targeting the cruiser. This means farming a BB would yield more damage but the same XP as blowing up a similar portion of a cruiser.

 

So target selection also plays a big role in XP numbers. Also economic boosters as mentioned above. My personal opinion is that ship XP boosters are wasted on premium ships as you need gold to convert that XP. So on premium ships captain XP, credit and free XP boosters are the ones you want instead and save those ship XP boosters for your tech tree ships.

PUK is
it's a mod that is supposed to indicate how good u were in a match. damage, capping, spotting, it all adds to that.

[Spearhawk1969]

either way I got my answer and I thank all comments.

How I play is how I play, I usually play, it can only become better (I hope)