And here we go as expected, Battle Pass rewards gimped for the same price

[iFax]

What happened to the free BP dismount for equipment? Before it was 0, now it's 25 dubs...

[Seraphice]

2 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

A ing tech tree ship..

30% less Coal, Steel and RB points..

Same price..

Why am I not surprised ?

Does WG have any comments ?  @Seraphice

I know it´s not your fault.. 

 

The battlepass overall rewards is not necessarily because this patch it's less, but because the Christmas patch had more.
The battlepass correlates to the length of the update - if the update is longer, then the rewards will be more, as there will also be more stages to complete. Considering that there is 1 battlepass for every patch, we have so far decided to keep the price consistent nonetheless.
 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Ubertron_X]

29 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Incidentally, am I misremembering, or did previous iterations of the pass include free equipment dismount (or was I getting that for something else?)? The present one doesn't.

[Seraphice]

12 minutes ago, iFax said:

What happened to the free BP dismount for equipment? Before it was 0, now it's 25 dubs...

This is no longer the case. The seasonal rewards of the battlepass changes with every battlepass:

0.11.10:

0.11.11

 

12.0

Any of the seasonal bonuses may change with the next edition of the battlepass, so watch closely what bonuses the seasonal bonuses give!

 

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Ubertron_X]

While we are on it, how many points/stages could you unlock with this 1/week extra mission?

 

[Farheim]

I'm more baffled that it only lasts 28 days and they've cut the daily win bonus from +150 to +100. I was actually considering to buy the premium BP just for the free upgrade demounting and extra daily win bonus, which would make grinding new tech tree lines significantly faster and cheaper but haha no we aren't allowed to have good things.

 

I didn't care much about the rewards but dang, this stuff also got screwed. Imagine going from 5 extra santa's big gifts to a friggin' tech tree ship. Like bruh, I wanna have some extra gacha rolls, not this lame abomination of a ship.

[Carandraug]

28 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

The battlepass overall rewards is not necessarily because this patch it's less, but because the Christmas patch had more.
The battlepass correlates to the length of the update - if the update is longer, then the rewards will be more, as there will also be more stages to complete. Considering that there is 1 battlepass for every patch, we have so far decided to keep the price consistent nonetheless.
 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Sorry mate, but this is pure and simple gaslighting. The only consistent thing is your greed, i wonder why the mythical "consistency" goes always in favor of company and never the paying customer ?

 

Also are you telling us this logic 1 BP = 1 patch means we will get next major patch in 28 days ? Considering the whole Early Access tragedy for US hybrids starts February 2nd i seriously doubt that. So this argument goes out the window. Or hey maybe we will get a "Battlepass patch" with nothing else in it to justify it in the best WG fashion.

 

It's not only about the stage rewards, EVERYTHING in the new Battlepass is worse, from bonuses to final reward. 

 

"We care*" - Your WG

 

*only about your money 

[Verblonde]

23 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

watch closely what bonuses the seasonal bonuses give!

So, the aim appears to be: hope that people got sufficiently 'trained' by the first couple of BPs to think that certain things are included, and then make it comparatively hard for them to realise when they're subsequently excluded, so getting more money for less in return?

 

Personally, I don't really care about the free equipment dismount (it was merely a 'nice to have'), but this making people hunt for changes (generally for the worse) in different iterations of - ostensibly - the same thing is shady.

[Ubertron_X]

42 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

 Considering that there is 1 battlepass for every patch, we have so far decided to keep the price consistent nonetheless.

While this decision might keep things simple it is also quite questionable as it makes the rewards/money (doubloons) value of each pass different from the respective rewards/time value.

 

1st BP (5 weeks, so 500 doubloons per week)

3.3k total steel => 0.66k steel/week
40.5k total coal => 8.1k coal/week
3.3k total RP => 0.66 RP/week

55k free XP => 11k free XP/week

 

2nd BP (6 weeks, so 417 doubloons per week)

4.1k total steel => 0.68k steel/week
48.5k total coal => 8.1k coal/week
4.1k total RP => 0.68 RP/week

70k free XP => 11.7k free XP/week

 

3rd BP (4 weeks, so 625 doubloons per week)

2.7k total steel => 0.68k steel/week
27k total coal => 6.75k coal/week
2.7k total RP => 0.68 RP/week

45k free XP => 11.25 XP free XP/week

 

As you apparently standardize rewards on a per week basis (what happened to coal in BP3?), costs should also be standardized on a per week basis, e.g. 500 dubloons/week.

[Carandraug]

2 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

So, the aim appears to be: hope that people got sufficiently 'trained' by the first couple of BPs to think that certain things are included, and then make it comparatively hard for them to realise when they're subsequently excluded, so getting more money for less in return?

 

Personally, I don't really care about the free equipment dismount (it was merely a 'nice to have'), but this making people hunt for changes (generally for the worse) in different iterations of - ostensibly - the same thing is shady.

Well once again it's by design and the absence of any Battlepass article or clear information is fully supporting that. You can't find anything about actual rewards and changes in the patch notes, absolute radio silence. So they are (like many times in the past) banking on people assuming its similar and buying things without realizing the current "adjustments". Rinse and repeat, their shady practices never change sadly.

[Ronchabale]

1 hour ago, Seraphice said:

The battlepass overall rewards is not necessarily because this patch it's less, but because the Christmas patch had more.

Ok Christmas, makes sense (i guess)

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The battlepass correlates to the length of the update - if the update is longer, then the rewards will be more, as there will also be more stages to complete.

Guess that makes sense too in a way or at least its a way of looking at it

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Considering that there is 1 battlepass for every patch, we have so far decided to keep the price consistent nonetheless.
 

But if i look at it that way then this is where i have a bit of an issue.

The length of update is shorter and with less rewards but the same price.

Personally I would rather pay less for less and more for more, etc.

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Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Thankyou, have a good one

[Hogger4169]

36 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

As you apparently standardize rewards on a per week basis (what happened to coal in BP3?), costs should also be standardized on a per week basis, e.g. 500 dubloons/week.

IMHO the only parameter lacks, is the parameter standard of the week. While the rewards go more or less according the duration, expected cost should be more or less too. (2500dubs 1st season, 2600dubs 2nd season, 2400 dubs 3rd season.)

But....

[Karasu_Browarszky]

So the seasonal rewards are shifty ... sorry, I mean shifting on purpose, is it?

[Tordenskjold23]

6 hours ago, mdjmcnally said:

1st BP = 5 weeks - 50 stages.

2nd BP = 6 weeks - 60 stages

3rd BP = 4 wee,s - 40 stages.

    4th BP=5 weeks - 50 stages

I think it is only fair Lesta don't work at christmas and new year. That is why 2 BP was for 6 weeks and 60 days.

Please stop whining. Some of you act like spoiled teenagers

[Tordenskjold23]

Nothing

[Carandraug]

1 minute ago, Tordenskjold23 said:

    4th BP=5 weeks - 50 stages

I think it is only fair Lesta don't work at christmas and new year. That is why 2 BP was for 6 weeks and 60 days.

Please stop whining. Some of you act like spoiled teenagers

Or maybe 1 week for the same price right ? It's only fair according to your logic. Perfect WG customer, don't question the shifty stuff, just consume, shill and pay. 

[onya999]

Evening All,

 

I hope all is well.Just some food for thought, If a big retailer has a black Friday sale/ offer that differs significantly to the normal price point would you remark on the price after the sale has ended and complain?. I agree the BP upgrade in this update is not worth it so i simply choose not to purchase it. In regards to the difference in rewards for the upgraded BP, It clearly states what you get for the DUBS.

 

Common sense, is not always common

[Carandraug]

1 minute ago, onya999 said:

Evening All,

 

I hope all is well.Just some food for thought, If a big retailer has a black Friday sale/ offer that differs significantly to the normal price point would you remark on the price after the sale has ended and complain?. I agree the BP upgrade in this update is not worth it so i simply choose not to purchase it. In regards to the difference in rewards for the upgraded BP, It clearly states what you get for the DUBS.

 

Common sense, is not always common

Indeed, but there is a small caveat.

 

When the retailer tries their best to obfuscate the actual product offered, they deserve the scorn. Do you think its random there is no official post and info about the Battle Pass ? While the previous ones had nice and easy to read summaries BEFORE they went up ? Of course it's down to people not reading stuff properly and assuming, but it's a tactic WG tried for some of the previous "sales" and offers. In here they are trying the bait & switch again.

 

We already know everything WG does needs to be double checked with lawyer and magnifying glass for fineprint. So yes always triple check anything you spend your dubs or god forbid real money on in World of Warships. 

 

P.S. The Black Friday offer comparison of a retailer is not fully fitting, i would rather say the cable company switches the monthly subscrirption offering of TV channels, gives you way less for the same money. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

17 minutes ago, onya999 said:

Evening All,

 

I hope all is well.Just some food for thought, If a big retailer has a black Friday sale/ offer that differs significantly to the normal price point would you remark on the price after the sale has ended and complain?. I agree the BP upgrade in this update is not worth it so i simply choose not to purchase it. In regards to the difference in rewards for the upgraded BP, It clearly states what you get for the DUBS.

 

Common sense, is not always common

 

5 minutes ago, Carandraug said:

Indeed, but there is a small caveat.

 

When the retailer tries their best to obfuscate the actual product offered, they deserve the scorn. Do you think its random there is no official post and info about the Battle Pass ? While the previous ones had nice and easy to read summaries BEFORE they went up ? Of course it's down to people not reading stuff properly and assuming, but it's a tactic WG tried for some of the previous "sales" and offers. In here they are trying the bait & switch again.

 

We already know everything WG does needs to be double checked with lawyer and magnifying glass for fineprint. So yes always triple check anything you spend your dubs or god forbid real money on in World of Warships. 

 

P.S. The Black Friday offer comparison of a retailer is not fully fitting, i would rather say the cable company switches the monthly subscrirption offering of TV channels, gives you way less for the same money. 

 

I just can't help wondering what percentage of the players have liked the BP so far and automatically started buying it without (foolishly) looking up the changing details?

[Verblonde]

59 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

I just can't help wondering what percentage of the players have liked the BP so far and automatically started buying it without (foolishly) looking up the changing details?

Pretty high, I imagine. The acid test will be the one after: if enough people do as you hypothesise, and are disappointed, then - one might imagine - the income from the next iteration will drop.

 

Mind you, if I guess the end reward of the next one right, I won't be touching it with a ten-foot barge-pole and that won't be down to disappointment this time around (the latest is poorer value than the previous ones, for me, but still useful enough. Just.)...

[Yedwy]

I suspect most people buy in to get the extra bonus cards and coal/steel/rp and not for the “main prize” but still 

[Seraphice]

16 hours ago, Carandraug said:

Also are you telling us this logic 1 BP = 1 patch means we will get next major patch in 28 days ? Considering the whole Early Access tragedy for US hybrids starts February 2nd i seriously doubt that. So this argument goes out the window. Or hey maybe we will get a "Battlepass patch" with nothing else in it to justify it in the best WG fashion.

Our usual patch release cycle is ~4 weeks. This is also how the battlepass was designed. The only thing is that when the battlepass was introduced we had the Christmas patch which was significantly longer (6 weeks). That is the exception, not the rule.
What I meant for the consistency is that instead of increasing the price of the battlepass (since there was more rewards to be earned in that battlepass) we opted not to at the time and keep the price at 2500 even for the Christmas patch.

 

16 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

While this decision might keep things simple it is also quite questionable as it makes the rewards/money (doubloons) value of each pass different from the respective rewards/time value. 

Same here - usual patches last 4 weeks and that is the "standard". The patches that are longer are an exception, not the rule.

 

13 hours ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

So the seasonal rewards are shifty ... sorry, I mean shifting on purpose, is it? 

The seasonal bonuses have changed every single time so far and at the moment there are no plans to make one specific thing "permanent" in the seasonal bonuses - at least not yet.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Peffers]

I must say I got a pop up about the new BP.  So having read this thread I thought lets click on it and see WGs promo.  Having clicked I found myself on the 0.12 webpage,  imagine my surprise when there was no mention of the new BP details, not even under enhancements.  I was extremely surprised by the obvious omission,  or was it just another miscommunication? 

 

Luckily I saw the funny side of it.

 

PS Top tip for WG staff, put a cross on the bottom of your coffee mug, then you will know when it is time to refill it.

 

Peffers,

Norwegian fjords port

 

written in the style and a tribute to Viz letters page.

[Ubertron_X]

6 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Same here - usual patches last 4 weeks and that is the "standard". The patches that are longer are an exception, not the rule.

Which would have been fine if it would have been announced* as such, or even better if people could have experienced it like this before.

 

Just imagine the two scenarios:

 

A1. You decide internally that the regular BP length is 4 weeks for 2500 dubs.

A2. You announce multiple time that the regular BP length is 4 weeks for 2500 dubs before the first BP starts and with each new BP (because new or returning players will usually not look up old articles).

A3. You have a couple of regular BP's running before X-mas.

A4. For the X-mas BP you announce that it will run for a generous 6 weeks instead of 4 for just the same 2500 dubs.

 

B1. You decide internally that the regular BP length is 4 weeks for 2500 dubs.

B2. You have one BP running for 5 weeks and the X-mas one running for 6 weeks, all for 2500 dubs, both without mentioning their "irregular" lengths.

B3. The next BP ist the first "regular" one and people are of course irritated and angry because it is now "just" 4 weeks for 2500 dubs.

B4. You retroactively announce* that the regular duration of a BP is 4 weeks for 2500 dubs and that the previous ones had been exceptions to the rule.

 

Which one of the two scenarious would have people praising your generosity and which one will leave a sour taste?

 

* I do not claim that it has not been announced at least once that the regular pass is 4 weeks, but even if it was I do not remember it.

[Viridem]

On 1/19/2023 at 5:41 PM, Ubertron_X said:

While we are on it, how many points/stages could you unlock with this 1/week extra mission?

 

If they didn't change the mission since the first BP, it's an easy weekly chain that unlocks 3 stages per week.

The missions have to be completed in order and are unlocked each week, but do not expire.

You can complete all the missions, one after the other, on the very last day of the patch, for example.

 

I suppose you get all the missions even if you buy the premium pass on the last day, too. At least this sounds logical to me.