And here we go as expected, Battle Pass rewards gimped for the same price

[Ubertron_X]

3 minutes ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

And where on the web is list of BP rewards?

Not in the news section yet, apparently...

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, Carandraug said:

And the lowering of rewards is pretty significant, so let's take a look.

Previously we had 60 stages of rewards and now it drops to 40,

You forget that the Battlepass doesn't end on the level 40. Like the previous ones will go to level 90-92ish. 

Which means around 55000+ coal (if you are in a clan) plus the other goodies. 

[Fediuld]

23 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

Not that i will defend WG but the first one had 50 stages, second one 60 stages and the third one 40 stages and all have the same price.

Yet the battlepass ended at level 90-92 for ALL of them. They didn't stop at the final stage. (50, 60)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

You forget that the Battlepass doesn't end on the level 40. Like the previous ones will go to level 90-92ish. 

Which means around 55000+ coal (if you are in a clan) plus the other goodies. 

 

So.. less is more.. literally?

[HMS_Kilinowski]

1 hour ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

As stated in our feedbacks to the initial BP, the rewards were overly generous for the price. It was fishy from the start.

Since the rewards are quite lower for the same price its likely I won't participate in getting the BP anymore myself 

 

I honestly don't think they were too generous. From the point of view of a whale, maybe the BP makes sense. But part of any larger business operation is a strategy called "price discrimination". A business tries to serve different strata of customers and their varying willingness to pay, by offering different types of discounts and models. The price was set in a way, that still made me think whether it was worth it and made me wait to see if I even was playing enough to make the final reward. There is a risk to it that for private of work reasons you won't be able to finish enough phases.

 

In a way the new Battle Pass contains incentives for the sligthly more committed customer and the whales. The bottom are the F2P-people. Then come the people who invest into a lot of premium time. They invest ~50€ per year. So to get a more steady cashflow, WG introduced the Premium BP for the more commited players, who, on top of their premium time, invest in a monthly deal that also requires extensive commitment to play regularly. This Battle Pass costs around 120€ per year on top of the Premium Account and dockyard event or two. So we're talking about people who likely invest around 200€ per year. On top of that we got the Season Bonusses, which clearly address the 300-400€ per year stratum.

 

Personally I saw the BP so far as a budget dockyard event. Easier but more long-term commitment at a lower price for a lower reward (a meh mid-tier ship plus change) I felt this model absolutely made sense.

By shifting the Battle Pass towards an Early-Access model, the Battle Pass now moves up a stratum towards the 300-400€ per year whales. It is no longer interesting for the large group of medium customers, who got their 360 days of premium and now are looking for the occasional extra.

 

I can say that for my willingness to pay, this instance of the Battle Pass is no longer attractive. Why would I care about getting a mediocre ship early, when I can grind the line in days, if I want to?

A little extra coal, steel and RP, that is not enough to commit me to a month long mission.

Actually after the grindy anniversary and christmas, I don't even mind that it is an early-access ship. So I can sit one out and take a mild break.

[Shepke]

7 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

You forget that the Battlepass doesn't end on the level 40. Like the previous ones will go to level 90-92ish. 

Dont you forget there is one thing, called LIFE?

[Carandraug]

5 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

You forget that the Battlepass doesn't end on the level 40. Like the previous ones will go to level 90-92ish. 

Which means around 55000+ coal (if you are in a clan) plus the other goodies. 

Okay so for those slightly not blessed with basic math :)

 

In the current " normal" Premium BP you can get maximum of 60 stages because there is a finite amount of points you can earn (weekly mission 4 x 8 and 28 daily ones each per). 40 stages are the listed rewards and the extras are 1k coal each plus junk. The whale Premium Pass has some extra mission chain for possible more earnable points, but its so terrible value i wont even mention it.

 

Soooo, in the previous BP you had BETTER listed rewards and BETTER extra rewards (because it was longer with more possible stages to reach) for SAME money. 

[Fediuld]

1 minute ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

I honestly don't think they were too generous. From the point of view of a whale, maybe the BP makes sense. But part of any larger business operation is a strategy called "price discrimination". A business tries to serve different strata of customers and their varying willingness to pay, by offering different types of discounts and models. The price was in a way that still made me think whether it was worth it and made me wait to see if I even was playing enough to make the final reward. There is a risk to it that for private of work reasons you won't be able to finish enough phases.

 

In a way the new Battle Pass contains incentives for the sligthly more committed customer and the whales. The bottom are the F2P-people. Then come the people who invest into a lot of premium time. They invest ~50€ per year. So to get a more steady cashflow, WG introduced the Premium BP for the more commited players, who, on top of their premium time, invest in a monthly deal that also requires extensive commitment to play regularly. This Battle Pass costs around 120€ per year on top of the Premium Account and dockyard event or two. So we're talking about people who likely invest around 200€ per year. On top of that we got the Season Bonusses, which clearly address the 300-400€ per year stratum.

 

Personally I saw the BP so far as a budget dockyard event. Easier but more long-term commitment at a lower price for a lower reward (a meh mid-tier ship plus change) I felt this model absolutely made sense.

By shifting the Battle Pass towards an Early-Access model, the Battle Pass now moves up a stratum towards the 300-400€ per year whales. It is no longer interesting for the large group of medium customers, who got their 360 days of premium and now are looking for the occasional extra.

 

I can say that for my willingness to pay, this instance of the Battle Pass is no longer attractive. Why would I care about getting a mediocre ship early, when I can grind the line in days, if I want to?

A little extra coal, steel and RP, that is not enough to commit me to a month long mission.

Actually after the grindy anniversary and christmas, I don't even mind that it is an early-access ship. So I can sit one out and take a mild break.

While the reward ship is lame, do we know if we get perma cammo & perm eco bonus? If yes, then is ok. If not then is totally lame reward. 

 

In addition do we know if there will be 92 levels like on the previous BP? Because that extra 52 levels is 52000 coal + 10% clan bonus. Plus all the other goodies. 

On the last (Christmas) BP, we only got 42 extra levels with 42000 coal + 10%. 

[Fediuld]

2 minutes ago, Shepke said:

Dont you forget there is one thing, called LIFE?

Then don't pay for it. Vote with your wallet. 

[Carandraug]

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

While the reward ship is lame, do we know if we get perma cammo & perm eco bonus? If yes, then is ok. If not then is totally lame reward. 

 

In addition do we know if there will be 92 levels like on the previous BP? Because that extra 52 levels is 52000 coal + 10% clan bonus. Plus all the other goodies. 

On the last (Christmas) BP, we only got 42 extra levels with 42000 coal + 10%. 

There is no perma camo and no bonus package for the T8 US hybrid abomination in the final rewards.

 

Also of course there is not the same amount even of extra stages, because it's shorter so the finite amount of points is logically lower.

[lafeel]

Eh I'll just keep on playing my imported copy of Super Robot Wars V instead. Almost got the Yamato (back, long story) in it too..

 

EDIT: Just a quick explanation, you get her from the start, but you get sent to a different part of a another dimension (turns out she got sent there too, later on) but don't get her back till 11 scenarios later.

 

And I'd be lying through my teeth if I didn't admit to missing her firepower, she's by FAR the strongest ship in that game.

[ReDiR20]

The main reward is ok, new T8 with modules and 10 points commander for a short 4 weeks BP. However, other rewards are underwhelming (less coal ,steel..), because it's 4 weeks BP instead of 5 or 6 weeks. So price should be adjusted for like 500 dubs a week and not fixed like it is now.

[mdjmcnally]

So basically we have had 3 BP now, including the one just started.

 

1st BP - 5 weeks

2nd BP - 6 weeks

3rd BP - 4 weeks

 

each BP rewards adjusted in terms of length of BP, so when went from 5 weeks to 6 weeks then rewards went up, but paid the same.

now dropping from 6 weeks to 4 weeks and rewards dropping but paying the same as for 6 weeks and 5 weeks rewards.

 

Perhaps WG can simply adjust the doubloon price so that have a price per week so that can charge more when the BP is longer and less when is shorter,   With 5 week BP at 2500 then is 500 a week so easy figure to work with.

 

5 week BP = 2500 doubloons

6 week BP = 3000 doubloons

4 week BP  = 2000 doubloons

 

For the people complaining about it are you prepared to give WG the extra 500 dubs for last months BP?

 

if do not like the shorter ones being same price then expect to pay more for the longer BP.

 

 

 

[Ubertron_X]

42 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

Yet the battlepass ended at level 90-92 for ALL of them. They didn't stop at the final stage. (50, 60)

 

1st BP max level was 75 (or 76), because the maximum points that you could accumulate was 750.

 

 

2nd BP max is 90 (91)

 

[RazorBlade72]

Not sure why it is relevant what you got in the past. I would just look at what I can get now and what it costs. Is it worth the money then go for it, if not then don't buy it.

[SurfaceFish]

36 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

From the point of view of a whale, maybe the BP makes sense.

Not to this whale, don't need bonuses, coal or even steel as they drops from containers especially Santa containers. Unless the final reward is temptating, I don't see any whale think premium BP is necessary. 

[lafeel]

12 minutes ago, RazorBlade72 said:

Not sure why it is relevant what you got in the past. I would just look at what I can get now and what it costs. Is it worth the money then go for it, if not then don't buy it.

And this is how you always should weigh these things.

[Ocsimano18]

I bought the first two battlepasses because when WG introduces something new, it’s usually good value which gets nerfed when they realize it.

[Verblonde]

I'm taking part in this one, as I assume the T8 hybrid will branch off from Colorado, and I *really* don't want to ever play that hunk of junk more than I have to (for snowflakes etc.). Yeah I know - no moral fibre!

 

Besides that, I can always use the steel, and coal (to a lesser extent).

 

Presumably, this 'early access ship as the final reward' thing will continue, and - if memory serves - that means the next one will be British submarines, at which point my wallet slams resoundingly closed.

[Ubertron_X]

13 minutes ago, RazorBlade72 said:

Not sure why it is relevant what you got in the past. I would just look at what I can get now and what it costs. Is it worth the money then go for it, if not then don't buy it.

Because to be able to determine "if it is worth the money" it is 100% fully relevant what we got in the past? Everything else is wishful thinking of (iPhone type) marketing managers: Don't judge our product by what it is really worth (parts used) and what similar products (phones) are worth, or what it was worth in the past (previous rendition), just consume glorious product.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

The one thing that deters me the most with practically all these 'events' and 'missions' and other content WG is now 'offering' is that I don't really want to put money down for the luxury of having to dance to someone else's tune. I prefer to play, the little I play any more, at my own pace and playing content of my own choosing.

[SurfaceFish]

100% agree, dockyard, battle pass and new unique commander for this patch. Pay us money and your time. Or you won't get the rewards. 

 

Only super whales can justify buying out all the above without spending much time in this game. 

 

My time is more important. I don't want to pay money to WG for the opportunity to work a second job!

 

Spend little money as possible, buy doubloons with the 30% discount and double doubloons birthday coupons to whale Santa containers to get ships released that year. Don't need anything else from this game. 

[Ruthus]

Guys,

 

WG is surely being very fair in saying you dont need to opt for the BP until right at the end when you can judge what rewards you will receive. You dont have to commit on day one. I dont see how you can lose on this basis.

[Verblonde]

15 minutes ago, Ruthus said:

right at the end when you can judge what rewards you will receive. You dont have to commit on day one. I dont see how you can lose on this basis.

Quick question for those who upgraded right at the end in previous months: if you buy whatever the very top level pass is called, you get a bonus on coal/steel/RP earnings from whatever source (5%) amongst other things; does that get applied retrospectively as well?

 

For example, if I earn 100 steel this week, and then get the super-duper pass next week, will I get the extra 5 steel from this week's earnings as well?

 

Incidentally, am I misremembering, or did previous iterations of the pass include free equipment dismount (or was I getting that for something else?)? The present one doesn't.

[Fediuld]

3 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Quick question for those who upgraded right at the end in previous months: if you buy whatever the very top level pass is called, you get a bonus on coal/steel/RP earnings from whatever source (5%) amongst other things; does that get applied retrospectively as well?

 

For example, if I earn 100 steel this week, and then get the super-duper pass next week, will I get the extra 5 steel from this week's earnings as well?

 

Incidentally, am I misremembering, or did previous iterations of the pass include free equipment dismount (or was I getting that for something else?)? The present one doesn't.

YES.