[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #126 Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, Schelfie said: True, but increase in the rate of fire would do a lot, and I think she'll be far more popular then than now... No denying that it'd help, but that only solves one of her two glaring issues. The other one being that you can survive having bad armor, or bad maneuverability in a CL, but not having *both* 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #127 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, lafeel said: No denying that it'd help, but that only solves one of her two glaring issues. The other one being that you can survive having bad armor, or bad maneuverability in a CL, but not having *both* Yup. Ive been in too many situations where i was fighting a battle with a low HP target, which i could't hurt fast enough, and which kept eating away my HP fast instead. It's a really bad combo. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #128 Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, Europizza said: Yup. Ive been in too many situations where i was fighting a battle with a low HP target, which i could't hurt fast enough, and which kept eating away my HP fast instead. It's a really bad combo. And frankly a far bigger issue than (admittedly no small issue itself) the dpm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #129 Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, lafeel said: And frankly a far bigger issue than (admittedly no small issue itself) the dpm. One can't rely on these 150 mm guns. Damage saturation, pen issues etc. it's bad. Sometimes cant even manage to land a kill on a DD on my own. With 15 guns lol. So many have been 'stolen' from me rofl. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #130 Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, Europizza said: One can't rely on these 150 mm guns. Damage saturation, pen issues etc. it's bad. Not like I needed more reasons to, but thank you for reinforcing my decision to make this line sit until something is done to fix it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DMP] Schelfie Players 552 posts 10,768 battles Report post #131 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, lafeel said: Not like I needed more reasons to, but thank you for reinforcing my decision to make this line sit until something is done to fix it. I'm just playing it to collect the ships, but after that, I don't think i'll play much with these ships. No fun whatsoever... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #132 Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Schelfie said: I'm just playing it to collect the ships, but after that, I don't think i'll play much with these ships. No fun whatsoever... Good luck (no sarcasm intended) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #133 Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Schelfie said: I'm just playing it to collect the ships, but after that, I don't think i'll play much with these ships. No fun whatsoever... Agreed. I'm getting the line out of the way mainly becasue I am very dissapointed. Won't play it again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,899 battles Report post #134 Posted January 31 47 minutes ago, lafeel said: Good luck (no sarcasm intended) Me & @Schelfie mainly play co-op, and Shimanto does OK in that mode. Not great, but OK. Gun reload kinda feels like Dido - you've got small calibre guns that fire slowly. 1 hour ago, lafeel said: Might also have noticed she's missing a few mm of HE pen compared with Mainz thanks to not having the Germans patented built in ifhe.. Always seemed odd the T7 had Mogami-esque 155s but you "upgrade" to 150s on the T8. But interestingly the smaller calibre on Shimanto has higher HE penetration - 30mm vs 26mm for Omono. Not as high as German 150mm which is 38mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPURD] Itwastuesday Players 1,768 posts 13,575 battles Report post #135 Posted January 31 I wonder why make this when you could have made a line with a pile of harugumo turrets. Or harugumo quad turrets? C'mon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hirohito Players 1,717 posts 6,192 battles Report post #136 Posted February 1 10 hours ago, Itwastuesday said: I wonder why make this when you could have made a line with a pile of harugumo turrets. Or harugumo quad turrets? C'mon. Appealing to weebs that love anything Japan, as well as the potato shima crowd that loves huge numbers of torpedoes in the water from max range, would be my guess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] endlessBoogie [_I_] Players 270 posts 12,752 battles Report post #137 Posted February 1 Vor 11 Stunden, Itwastuesday sagte: I wonder why make this when you could have made a line with a pile of harugumo turrets. Or harugumo quad turrets? C'mon. 6 x 4 100mm with 3 sec. reload Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #138 Posted February 1 I'm grinding the T8 in operations right now, and it's a sad state when a T5 DD or cruiser can just brutalize you. T5 BBs just delete the T8 cruiser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,549 battles Report post #139 Posted February 1 Hi all, I have just finished the Takahashi grind and reached the Yodo... Since I miss just 1 point (for mission to end) I will now try Yodo in the "Airship Escort"... Leo "Apollo11" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,549 battles Report post #140 Posted February 1 Hi all, My first, and very likely, last game in long time with her... Leo "Apollo11" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #141 Posted February 1 This line will never be fixed. It requires so much balance and rework that is hopeless at this point. The entire line exists just to be farmed upon, you/me playing these are nothing but a liability to your team, the ships, are not capable of impacting the game. This can be seen in the current brawls, having a shimanto and the enemy getting an additional BB is infuriating. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUTF] Nauseica Players 628 posts 10,955 battles Report post #142 Posted February 1 29 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, My first, and very likely, last game in long time with her... Leo "Apollo11" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOWSA] Chandra_fighter Players 22 posts 46,678 battles Report post #143 Posted March 9 Am 18.1.2023 um 15:06, Redcap375 sagte: Did you miss the part about tier 6 and 9 being 3 MM apart? No irony required. The Austin is a very high skill ceiling ship yet still remains in the top 4 after it landed (because it is a good ship). So the fact that you said the Gokase has a high skill ceiling *check, potatoes will struggle *check but enters the board close to last (humm), doesn't look very good does it? The new IJN line is bad, but glad you like it and think they preform well. And you do realise that's not a good sign right? But anyway, lets see how the lines goes shall we. Austin is not respectable! Austin is trash, because with his 30k HP is children easy to kill even as dd with sometimes more HP now. Then have a look to the reload time for the main battery - 8 Sec. Any ship will kill Austin in close combat even with secondary, Torps are weak help, no smoke and no radar, no armory!!!! Austin can drop bombs on the sub ONLY by odriving over it! Guess, any subb will kill him or show him to the own BB's for 1-2 shots and you are again in your port with useless civil ship with some AA and torps - Austin. Austin MUST be reworked, otherwise it will remain unplayable. Of course, if you want to win:-) His ability to survive is the lowest from All other cruisers! My winrate was 2% higher before I played it. In Austin is by 40%. REWORK Austin or forget it! My stats are open - look and compare. Any other US cruiser has better winrate then Austin. Except higher credit income Austin is useless for your team without good dd or sub! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLING] Cammo1962 [BLING] Players 2,468 posts 25,257 battles Report post #144 Posted March 9 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chandra_fighter said: Austin is not respectable! Austin is trash, because with his 30k HP is children easy to kill even as dd with sometimes more HP now. Then have a look to the reload time for the main battery - 8 Sec. Any ship will kill Austin in close combat even with secondary, Torps are weak help, no smoke and no radar, no armory!!!! Austin can drop bombs on the sub ONLY by odriving over it! Guess, any subb will kill him or show him to the own BB's for 1-2 shots and you are again in your port with useless civil ship with some AA and torps - Austin. Austin MUST be reworked, otherwise it will remain unplayable. Of course, if you want to win:-) His ability to survive is the lowest from All other cruisers! My winrate was 2% higher before I played it. In Austin is by 40%. REWORK Austin or forget it! My stats are open - look and compare. Any other US cruiser has better winrate then Austin. Except higher credit income Austin is useless for your team without good dd or sub! And what have this to do with the new IJN cruisers ?? Edited March 9 by Cammo1962 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 867 posts 14,307 battles Report post #145 Posted March 9 Just finished grinding this line, Really don't see what you are all complaining about, seems fine to me, and I'm really not that great a cruiser player. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #146 Posted March 9 3 hours ago, bobtherterrible said: Just finished grinding this line, Really don't see what you are all complaining about, seems fine to me, and I'm really not that great a cruiser player. Mate, half the ships on that list aren't even a part of this line. (Mogami, Myoko and Ibuki) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 867 posts 14,307 battles Report post #147 Posted March 9 14 minutes ago, lafeel said: Mate, half the ships on that list aren't even a part of this line. (Mogami, Myoko and Ibuki) Well spotted, have a biscuit (and then tell me how to filter the Stats so it only shows the lights) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 867 posts 14,307 battles Report post #148 Posted March 9 17 minutes ago, lafeel said: Mate, half the ships on that list aren't even a part of this line. (Mogami, Myoko and Ibuki) there you go. Happy now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #149 Posted March 9 23 minutes ago, bobtherterrible said: there you go. Happy now? Much better. Including the other ships like that was not a fair representation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 867 posts 14,307 battles Report post #150 Posted March 9 31 minutes ago, lafeel said: Much better. Including the other ships like that was not a fair representation. If you say so. Actually it allows good comparison since you can then compare how a crap cruiser player does in each category and see that it makes little difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
