New IJN Light Cruisers

[Redcap375]

2 hours ago, Viridem said:

Everything went above your head, faaar above it, didn't it?

 

Try again, let it sink in before you quote back mate. 

[invicta2012]

I have to say I think Gokase is a ship I will sell the second it becomes part of the Tech Tree.

 

It's a bit less bad than Agano or Yahagi but this is a bit like being a bit less bad than the Black Death.

 

I think I will enjoy Omono, as it seems to have Mogami guns (and I really like Mogami) but I'm yet to be persuaded about the VIIII-IX-X. They seem to be giving up too much for those supercharged torpedoes. 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

On 1/17/2023 at 11:39 PM, Redcap375 said:

So come back into this thread in a years time and I bet my mortgage that the Yolo will STILL be bottom 1/3 if "stats out of context". Stats "do" give context. 

So which do you think will disppear first, the game or your mortgage?

 

as for yodo...

- frightening prospect ...is it

- fragile...think I

- not looking forward to it...am I

 

ActuellY the line feels OK up to tier 7. Not ever formally grinding anything ever again, though.

(Medical advice taken about what activities I am still allowed)

[Siagor]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

I have to say I think Gokase is a ship I will sell the second it becomes part of the Tech Tree.

 

 

I've hated every second in that ship.

 

Not gonna sell it, will stay as a reminder of how some ships and me don't match at all.

[159Hunter]

17 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Hey all,

I see that there is a lot of talk about the new IJN CLs, which is great, but it's always worth keeping in mind that overall ship statistics from wows-numbers are not a very accurate way to judge a ship's performance.

  

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

If you are implying the API is broken: yep, you're right. Thx WG for that BTW.

If you are referring to your own hidden stats: then share them with us. WG keeps referring to them but never shares them.

 

Or maybe you are referring to something else?

[Seraphice]

6 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

If you are implying the API is broken: yep, you're right. Thx WG for that BTW.

If you are referring to your own hidden stats: then share them with us. WG keeps referring to them but never shares them.

 

Or maybe you are referring to something else?

Back in the day there was a website, maplesyrup, that was able to give a much more accurate display of statistics. It was not the most user-friendly website, but it got the job done (or at least better than wows-numbers in that regard)

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/

Some of the statistics are still there to look at, but it is no longer operational as it used to be.

In any case, I was simply saying that wows-numbers does not always give the most accurate representation of a ship's overall balance.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Yedwy]

Couple of games today with the T9 must say not 2  bad but guns break like they are made of glass

[lafeel]

13 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Couple of games today with the T9 must say not 2  bad but guns break like they are made of glass

Might as well be with how thin the turret armor is.

[Yedwy]

14 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Might as well be with how thin the turret armor is.

Oh i know thin armor and they are hudge, just sayin... 

[lafeel]

11 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Oh i know thin armor and they are hudge, just sayin... 

And, lest we forget, this was very much a thing (the poor turret armor that is) of IJN cruisers in RL as well.

 

Well of those that even had armor, pretty sure the Agano turrets didn't even have any..

[Animalul2012]

Thank you WG for releasing another OP cruiser line, your admiration for this class and its audience is unprecetended. Cruisers always get the most love....

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Thank you WG for releasing another OP cruiser line, your admiration for this class and its audience is unprecetended. Cruisers always get the most love....

Do hope that's sarcasm because this line is far from OP..

[Animalul2012]

29 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Do hope that's sarcasm because this line is far from OP..

True being is.... that this line is another middle finger to cruisers and mostly cruisers main. They are so mashochistic and hard to play compared to other classes that you might as well forget them.

[ice_747]

5 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Back in the day there was a website, maplesyrup, that was able to give a much more accurate display of statistics. It was not the most user-friendly website, but it got the job done (or at least better than wows-numbers in that regard)

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/

Some of the statistics are still there to look at, but it is no longer operational as it used to be.

In any case, I was simply saying that wows-numbers does not always give the most accurate representation of a ship's overall balance.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

By the way, the API Encyclopedia is stuck at Ver 0.11.8, when will it be fixed? ?

data: {
ships_updated_at: 1662984331,
game_version: "0.11.8.0"
}

 

[Seraphice]

55 minutes ago, ice_747 said:

By the way, the API Encyclopedia is stuck at Ver 0.11.8, when will it be fixed? ?

data: {
ships_updated_at: 1662984331,
game_version: "0.11.8.0"
}

 

Right now we have no exact plans to update the API

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Itwastuesday]

Tried Shimanto for the first time. Seems decent, if a bit silly. 

 

Turrets turn lightning fast and back turrets go 360, yay! Looks like the higher tier models lose this great feature though, boo. Firing angles decent. Shell velocity seems just about all right as do shell arcs. Damage and fire chance feel pitiful, but I can't think of a T8 cruiser that does decent damage anyway. 

 

Torpedo angles great and while this whole torpedo cruiser thing is weird and probably not the most useful, at least the torps pack a wallop. It's not like Zao where you have to be suicidally close and have horrible arcs, for example. It is good that when you hit your fish, at least the reward is there.

 

The ship itself, however... Feels like it turns like a battleship and it generally feels huge and lardy. This is rather unfortunate. Very long ship. Sits rather low in the water though, and has mostly equivalent tier CA armor. Exposed citadel with this IJN turtleback that's made against spaceship attacks probably. 

 

 

Two shimantos in team

 

 

Live and die by the long lances, I suppose.

[MrWastee]

cake piece 'tis of my

Yodo

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4

50% Average

2 691 Super Unicum

126 403

1

1.75

mjam

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

On 1/17/2023 at 12:22 AM, Redcap375 said:

When it has more 10,000 more HP than a heavy cruiser Zao, yeah WG really are a bunch of clowns 

As for the ship? Not being able to pen 30mm without IFHE and a what 12.5 sec reload for a light cruiser???? Hummm, no thank you very much.

 

Radar? No

Smoke? No

Small for a light cruiser? No

bad rudder? Dear god Yes

Large? Hell Yes

DPM? No

And you can keep the slow and easy to see torps too...

 

I would rather play with the tier 8 Mainz with much better reload and baked in IFHE...Or the Nevsky, Smolly, Worcester, Mino, ect at tier 10, any day. Like all other light cruisers are better at doing it's "light crusier" role better and heavy cruisers are better at spamming from range due to it's better pen, ability to hit without floaty shells and being able to take hit without blowing up. Oh it's alpha really hurts DD? Yeah, so does the Venezia and 3/4 of BBs HE nowadays.

 

Such a shame this line. Oh did i mention the armour on this thing is something special? It's gonna be fun bumping into more of these things in Randoms.  I deleted one in my Balancedgrad Yesterday as he was trying to turn like a pig stuck in mud, it died very easy.  At least a Smolly can smoke up or at the very least dodge incoming fire.

 

Of all the lines in this game, this one seems to be the worst for me...HARD pass.

 

So much this!

 

I can't see any reason whatsoever to waste my free time grinding this line as a self-punishment. The problem that WG has created over many years now is that there is no place in this game any more for a "balanced" line when all it will compete against is OP/Broken/BS ships that just have to look at this line and send it back to port. 

 

I rather stop grinding a any new line and just play all my OP old ships and OP Premiums where I will have a fighting chance of getting a good/enjoyable game than just hitting my face against a concrete wall for 20 min (well 5-7 min these days).

 

On that note, the new Hybrid US BB line seems to follow in WGs ordinary release of OP/Broken/BS ships at least. Could that have anything to do with the CV-elements of the line?! Not a CV expert but have we seen a aiming reticle this small before? 

 

 

So Yodo line is a hard pass, not even future buffs can polish that turd.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

I just started playing Shimanto in "Airship Escort" gaming mode (i.e. I have acquired enough XP on Tier VII Omono from last patch to immediately buy her)... I will try to grind her (and Tier IX Takahashi) in this gaming mode...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

21 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Right now we have no exact plans to update the API

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

What is the differnce between "no plans"

and

"no exact plans" ?

 

Journalist Claud Cockburn: “Never believe anything until it is officially denied.”

 

 

[Seraphice]

41 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

What is the differnce between "no plans"

and

"no exact plans" ?

 

Journalist Claud Cockburn: “Never believe anything until it is officially denied.”

 

 

The difference at the moment is that the API is being talked about internally, but other than that there has been no further commitment to actually updating it so far, and we cannot promise that we will either in the near or far future.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

On 1/20/2023 at 12:08 PM, Leo_Apollo11 said:

I just started playing Shimanto in "Airship Escort" gaming mode (i.e. I have acquired enough XP on Tier VII Omono from last patch to immediately buy her)... I will try to grind her (and Tier IX Takahashi) in this gaming mode...

 

 

Still stock... I usually kill 1-2- ships per game and get 60K+ damage... but the ship is very very fragile (and big)...

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Weij0]

On 1/20/2023 at 1:38 AM, Itwastuesday said:

The ship itself, however... Feels like it turns like a battleship

 

Shimanto's turning circle is just slightly smaller than Amagi's, 830m vs 870. At TX, Yodo's turning circle is bigger than Yamato's, 930m vs 900m. So you are certainly right that it turns like a BB.

[lafeel]

34 minutes ago, Weij0 said:

 

Shimanto's turning circle is just slightly smaller than Amagi's, 830m vs 870. At TX, Yodo's turning circle is bigger than Yamato's, 930m vs 900m. So you are certainly right that it turns like a BB.

A solid 1,5 second slower rudder shift than Mogami does Shimanto no favours either. Doesn't sound like a huge difference, but it can be the difference between life and death with a ship as fragile as this.

 

And it only gets worse, the gap increases to a full 4,4 seconds between Yodo and Zao. Again, in case it's somehow not blatantly obvious, in Zao's favor. And this is before modules, which would only make it worse for the CL's.

[Itwastuesday]

Okay, final opinion : 

 

Finally WG vision of cruisers crystallized. Does absolutely nothing, is just a target for other ships.