New IJN Light Cruisers

[bouncer8409]

 

 

So I just read the info on update 12.0.

 

The new IJN light Cruisers are described as -

"The ships of the new branch can definitely be called classic representatives of light cruisers"

Is that WG speak for naff ?

[DirtyHeddy]

47 minutes ago, bouncer8409 said:

The new IJN light Cruisers are described as -

"The ships of the new branch can definitely be called classic representatives of light cruisers"

Is that WG speak for naff ?

well - normally when WG praises a new line in that way I am used to find a catch soon.

But up to T7 i am not overly disappointed - yet. I will see the T8 in a few days.

 

 

[NewHorizons_1]

8 minutes ago, DirtyHeddy said:

But up to T7 i am not overly disappointed - yet

Only gripe I've got with the T7 is the tectonic turret traverse that you need to work around in quick paced co-op matches.

Anyone know how much XP you need to unlock the T8?

[DirtyHeddy]

6 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Only gripe I've got with the T7 is the tectonic turret traverse that you need to work around in quick paced co-op matches.

Anyone know how much XP you need to unlock the T8?

Nothing to find in the wiki, but I expect it to be above 100k XP

[Nov_A]

10 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Only gripe I've got with the T7 is the tectonic turret traverse that you need to work around in quick paced co-op matches.

Anyone know how much XP you need to unlock the T8?

Around 110k +/- 5k, all the T8 cruisers are that amount.

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, DirtyHeddy said:

well - normally when WG praises a new line in that way I am used to find a catch soon.

But up to T7 i am not overly disappointed - yet. I will see the T8 in a few days.

 

 

Indeed Omono is a great T7 light cruiser. Surprisingly resilient with strong AA for a low tier cruiser, strong enough to make even the Kaga think twice to come close to it, a carrier that laughs at anything sort of T9+ USN cruiser with DAAF. In just few easy going battles got 100K xp needed to unlock the Tier 8. 

[Animalul2012]

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

Indeed Omono is a great T7 light cruiser. Surprisingly resilient with strong AA for a low tier cruiser, strong enough to make even the Kaga think twice to come close to it, a carrier that laughs at anything sort of T9+ USN cruiser with DAAF. In just few easy going battles got 100K xp needed to unlock the Tier 8. 

[Aragathor]

I haven't seen a single IJN CL  T7 and lower that:

 

-Lived past the halfway point.

-Made a speck of difference to any team result.

 

I played a few randumbs in them and can say it's a fXP line for sure.

 

Obligatory Flamu baiting for the haters:

 

 

[Figment]

2 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Obligatory Flamu baiting for the haters:

 

 

Not a hater, but weird argumentation. Does he expect every new ship to be better than the previous ships? :/ If it's near the 50% it's actually properly balanced? I for one havn't gotten to grinding the new IJN line yet. Too many ships to go through in the limited time I have. I'm sure that time issue is true for most players. Plus there are other considerations, like whether players have been playing certain tiers and ships for game modes, if there's a pop drop for reasons, etc.

[Aragathor]

8 minutes ago, Figment said:

Not a hater, but weird argumentation. Does he expect every new ship to be better than the previous ships?

Not weird at all, normally due to the nature of Early Access the new ships have better stats for a month or two, as only whales and vets play them.

Yodo having bad stats after coming out of EA shows the ship isn't that great.

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Your post makes no sense, maybe you are confused? 

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

I haven't seen a single IJN CL  T7 and lower that:

 

-Lived past the halfway point.

-Made a speck of difference to any team result.

 

I played a few randumbs in them and can say it's a fXP line for sure.

 

Obligatory Flamu baiting for the haters:

 

 

 

The only people having Yodo are those who paid A LOT OF money to get it. Which is a tiny minority. 

The clown, is getting blasted for this tweet if you read the replies. 

[Figment]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

Not weird at all, normally due to the nature of Early Access the new ships have better stats for a month or two, as only whales and vets play them.

Yodo having bad stats after coming out of EA shows the ship isn't that great.

That's what people said about the Dutch cruisers as well, that they'd suck due to their cannon's DPS. Turns out they're not doing that bad either (top half to top third in performance I think for tier 6 to 10). Seems fine with me. As I recall Flamu was first hyped about the armour, then argued it sucked, then went on a rampage with air strikes after he learned to use them and then figured it wasn't half that bad after all. I mean. Meh?

[Aragathor]

30 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

 

The only people having Yodo are those who paid A LOT OF money to get it. Which is a tiny minority. 

The clown, is getting blasted for this tweet if you read the replies. 

I don't see any blasting, people are agreeing with him.

 

21 minutes ago, Figment said:

That's what people said about the Dutch cruisers as well, that they'd suck due to their cannon's DPS. Turns out they're not doing that bad either (top half to top third in performance I think for tier 6 to 10). Seems fine with me. As I recall Flamu was first hyped about the armour, then argued it sucked, then went on a rampage with air strikes after he learned to use them and then figured it wasn't half that bad after all. I mean. Meh? 

Well, looking at the Golden Loo it's average across the board in the last 28 days stats. The T9 and T8 are respectively worse then the next ship, with the T8 being barely average.

And the airstrike rampage happened when WG set the reload to be the same as ASW reload.

[NewHorizons_1]

1 minute ago, Aragathor said:

Well, looking at the Golden Loo

Trump's favourite ship, perhaps?

[Figment]

38 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

in't se ng, people are agreeing with him.

 

Well, looking at the Golden Loo it's average across the board in the last 28 days stats. The T9 and T8 are respectively worse then the next ship, with the T8 being barely average.

And the airstrike rampage happened when WG set the reload to be the same as ASW reload.

So, balanced. It was predicted to be absolute garbage that couldn't compete DPS wise.

 

 

You're making it sound like it's a bad thing that it's average. So does Flamu.

 

 

THAT is a bad thing, when a decent average isn't good for a new ship addition. :/

[Taliesn]

3 hours ago, Aragathor said:

I haven't seen a single IJN CL  T7 and lower that:

 

-Lived past the halfway point.

-Made a speck of difference to any team result.

 

I played a few randumbs in them and can say it's a fXP line for sure.

 

Obligatory Flamu baiting for the haters:

 

 

 

I've only played Omono but she seems nice enough.

 

[KillStealBoss]

Omono was nice, played it and I'm not going to sell it. Same with Gokase. 

 

The issue with this line is that it's good to counter pushing flanks.

So floaty shells are not a problem when someone is shortening the distance, long range slow torps are good for that matter too.

But the playerbase at T9+ is campy as hell. That's why it'll be a struggle, similar to the Pan Asian line. Though there there's a smoke to farm, here we don't have such thing. 

 

It's one of the reasons I don't play much Colbert or Austin. 

And the result of that will be hybrid BBs. They don't care about campers. And WG will make more of those. But that's a discussion for another topic/thread. 

[Redcap375]

When it has more 10,000 more HP than a heavy cruiser Zao, yeah WG really are a bunch of clowns 

12.5 sec reload for a light cruiser???? Hummm, no thank you very much.

 

Radar? No

Smoke? No

Small for a light cruiser? No

bad rudder? Dear god Yes

Large? Hell Yes

DPM? No

And you can keep the slow and easy to see torps too...

 

I would rather play with the tier 8 Mainz with much better reload and baked in IFHE...Or the Nevsky, Smolly, Worcester, Mino, ect at tier 10, any day. Like all other light cruisers are better at doing it's "light crusier" role better and heavy cruisers are better at spamming from range due to it's better pen, ability to hit without floaty shells and being able to take hit without blowing up. Oh it's alpha really hurts DD? Yeah, so does the Venezia and 3/4 of BBs HE nowadays.

 

Such a shame this line. Oh did i mention the armour on this thing is something special? It's gonna be fun bumping into more of these things in Randoms.  I deleted one in my Balancedgrad Yesterday as he was trying to turn like a pig stuck in mud, it died very easy.  At least a Smolly can smoke up or at the very least dodge incoming fire.

 

Of all the lines in this game, this one seems to be the worst for me...HARD pass.

 

It is one thing bringing balanced ships into the game, it's another thing bringing garbage ones into the game. 

 

Dear god look at that citadel, no wonder why i deleted him so quick..

 

How to fix? Lower that bloody reload, take off that titanic rudder, shrink that citadel to normal levels would be a START.

 

On 1/16/2023 at 7:27 PM, Figment said:

So, balanced. It was predicted to be absolute garbage that couldn't compete DPS wise.

 

 

You're making it sound like it's a bad thing that it's average. So does Flamu.

 

 

THAT is a bad thing, when a decent average isn't good for a new ship addition. :/

 

WG set the stupidly high bar remember, not us. 

 

And this is subterranean. WG doesn't know the meaning of the word balanced. 

 

Just take a look at Maltese video of the thing.  Look at the shatter pens...Look at every shell that hit him.....Look how the enemy team was almost space levels of stupid.

 

And that's from a decent player who hugged most of the islands like his life depended on it.  You put that in the hand of an average player? Well, i don't wanna see it on my team that's for sure. 

 

 

[Itwastuesday]

I assume Yodo is quite bad, but I think I might have some fun with a torpedo build. At least it's something different.

[Panocek]

8 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

When it has more 10,000 more HP than a heavy cruiser Zao, yeah WG really are a bunch of clowns 

Remember when cruiser classification was based on gun caliber only? Good times... 

 

And point of this line was to make CA line look appealing. Same reload, similar broadside weight, actually usable AP and 32mm pen straight out of the box with good fire chance. Also ships themselves are actually agile

[Hugh_Ruka]

13 hours ago, Figment said:

So, balanced. It was predicted to be absolute garbage that couldn't compete DPS wise.

 

 

You're making it sound like it's a bad thing that it's average. So does Flamu.

 

 

THAT is a bad thing, when a decent average isn't good for a new ship addition. :/

The problem is, there's an entire line prior to the T10 and I rarely see them in randoms or ranked ... so an average T10 does not improve the situation much.

[MrWastee]

i'm really curious on em (not played a single match in pre-obtained ones).

 

as i got it they got range and arcs good ngh for island camping. which basically comes down to be usable in fortress as in kiting mode with noice torps on top? like in, best of both worlds? including "i look at u, byebye" cita's on the other?

 

me gusto, sounds good to me ....

 

in the end i guess overall cl quality gets defined by atlanta-belly-figure to a good degree ^^. if they got this they're most probably op

[Figment]

17 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

The problem is, there's an entire line prior to the T10 and I rarely see them in randoms or ranked ... so an average T10 does not improve the situation much.

I havn't got to a number of new lines myself yet. I'm not surprised people are being outpaced by the addition of new lines. I wouldn't hold it against the ships personally. I see lots of variation, so it's not like people are gravitating too much to certain lines (outside radar cruisers).

 

I also don't see how the situation is worse or better by the addition of a new average line? I rather have a new average line that's played by some who enjoy the playstyle, than an OP line that's spammed.

[Hugh_Ruka]

21 minutes ago, Figment said:

I havn't got to a number of new lines myself yet. I'm not surprised people are being outpaced by the addition of new lines. I wouldn't hold it against the ships personally. I see lots of variation, so it's not like people are gravitating too much to certain lines (outside radar cruisers).

 

I also don't see how the situation is worse or better by the addition of a new average line? I rather have a new average line that's played by some who enjoy the playstyle, than an OP line that's spammed.

What I meant is that I see the GL from time to time but very rarely the lower tiers ... so people clearly played through them as they have the GL but don't feel like playing them ...