Malta or Black or Brisbane for coal?

[Ocsimano18]

Which one of Malta/Black/Brisbane is the best ship for coal?

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

5 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Which one of Malta/Black/Brisbane is the best ship for coal?

 

Malta is strongest 

[Flaky26]

Both Malta and Black are strong ships. So it depends on your class preference.

 

Brisbane is still being tested and currently has some flaws (weak dpm, standard AP shells). I would wait for final version.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Malta is a strong CV. 

Brisbane doesn’t look great at the moment. Might be a decent DD killer but with only 20s radar and those flight times, it might not even be great at that.

 

Im more excited by Hector than Brisbane.

 

Black is strong but I don’t really enjoy it.

 

 

[LiveWire___]

6 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Which one of Malta/Black/Brisbane is the best ship for coal?

 

 

Malta is a CV. There are too many CVs in game.

 

The power of Christ compels you not to get her. 

 

Brisbane is something of a mystery atm. 

 

Black is very strong in the right hands.

 

I'd get her.

[SnuSnu_RIP]

I would wait until the Brisbane is released, just to see what this ship brings to the table. Black is nice to have, but not a must have in my opinion. There are so many other strong DDs on T9. You can even equip the Chung Mu with an radar today. 4 years ago I would definitely go with the Black, but today... 

I have the Malta but I don't play it, because it's a CV. 

[Mamba_ZA]

Black every day of the week! 

 

 

[Ocsimano18]

I went for the Malta… only to discover that there is nothing OP about this ship. The bombs are only good against light cruisers of which you see one in every tenth game. The torpedos are good, but Haku has better ones, the rocket planes are not nerfed to the ground with extra delay like some older CVs, but there is nothing special about them.

 

I was quite frustrated trying to Bomb a Haku, only to get non pens.

 

Also the teams are nonsensical. They cannot kill a 2000HP DD when you spot her, but give you -karma if you don’t fly to the other flank to be their personal spotter/fighter provider.

 

I lost 7 out of 9 matches and all my 5 karma.

[NewHorizons_1]

8 hours ago, Mamba_ZA said:

Black every day of the week!

Surely, that should only be Friday.

Sorry, I'll get my coat and see myself out...

[NewHorizons_1]

35 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The bombs are only good against light cruisers of which you see one in every tenth game

Apparently @BLUB__BLUB likes to counter-grief Nakhimovs with them.

[BLUB__BLUB]

26 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Apparently @BLUB__BLUB likes to counter-grief Nakhimovs with them.

Nahkimov is almost un-armoured, when you find one in Malta... heheheheheh....
Also you can use the rockets on fat, low-armoured targets (Conq... Schlieffen... those new US BB-carriers should be great food, too). 

Enjoy loads of pens and some fires to boot. Satsuma anyone? Burn baby burn! Then get some floods...  

 

1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said:

Also the teams are nonsensical.

Same as you I do not consider Malta very strong, it is more like 'potato proof'. It is very easy to play. 

Meaning you will always wreck something & ruin somebody's day but the large scores depends on what the reds are bringing. 

It is not like Haku (better play = big damage). It also depends on what your own team brings. Better hope they are decent or similar like the reds.
It needs time to do damage, yeah 10K-per-dump on a cruiser, but that is not much compared to what you can do in a BB. 
So... often it happens that you think 'hey we're on a roll here' and then your team dies one after another, ROFLSTOMP, low score.

Even if it is the reds that get ROFLSTOMPd you get low score, too. Balanz comrade yeah right (great team MM nowadays).

 

9 hours ago, Mamba_ZA said:

Black every day of the week! 

Agree. It is nice, I am still learning DDs but this feels fine already.

[Redcap375]

3 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I went for the Malta… only to discover that there is nothing OP about this ship. The bombs are only good against light cruisers of which you see one in every tenth game. The torpedos are good, but Haku has better ones, the rocket planes are not nerfed to the ground with extra delay like some older CVs, but there is nothing special about them.

 

I was quite frustrated trying to Bomb a Haku, only to get non pens.

 

Also the teams are nonsensical. They cannot kill a 2000HP DD when you spot her, but give you -karma if you don’t fly to the other flank to be their personal spotter/fighter provider.

 

I lost 7 out of 9 matches and all my 5 karma.

 

 

Nope, looks solid to me.  Planes are close to unkillable and it's CV easy mode. But it's still nothing compared to the completely re****** tier 11 Super CV's.

 

Malta U.K. 99 353 51.44 % 0.97 95 528 1 946 4.67 3.40 Franklin D. Roosevelt U.S.A. 343 998 51.15 % 0.81 93 403 1 757 4.20 3.07 Admiral Nakhimov U.S.S.R. 406 602 50.32 % 0.89 94 268 1 857 5.84 2.80 Hakuryū Japan 1 562 317 49.06 % 0.87 81 648 1 755 5.18 4.09 Audacious U.K. 785 852 49.01 % 0.87 78 594 1 788 4.73 3.97

 

Top would you believe, who would have thought.  But alas, they are made to be this good as WG want you to play CV's, simple business 101.  They WANT you to play this class and suck the life out of other players by doing so.

[Ocsimano18]

Last 28 days stats for T10. I can’t see Malta in the top 10, not even in the top 20:

[Fediuld]

On 1/15/2023 at 10:27 PM, Ocsimano18 said:

Which one of Malta/Black/Brisbane is the best ship for coal?

 

MALTA. 

 

While Immelmann is a side grade to Richthofen, Malta is a HUGE upgrade to Atrocious, with the unique AP carpet bombers to chase light cruisers and punish them even when  hiding in their smoke.

[Juuzaam]

Vor 12 Stunden, Ocsimano18 sagte:

Vor 12 Stunden, Ocsimano18 sagte:

I went for the Malta… only to discover that there is nothing OP about this ship

You dont know what you got, the value it brings and how to use it properly. Mostlikely because you are not playing Carriers.

 

As an example, Maltas AP bombers. Regular bombers deal like an average of 8-10k damage on TierX targets. Fires from HE, Citadels from AP are not as consistent as people try to make them. Maltas AP bombs always perform pretty well. Like a random GK takes 12-15k damage, every time and you are able to hit him at least twice per squad, thats around 25k guaranteed damage. For something you dont need any knowledge of a drop pattern to score a citadel, in such a spread that it is almost undodgeable or just to miss randomly, without the need to pray for a fire. This is a rock solid value you can work with, against every BB(!). On top you get the funny interaction with the light cruisers that tend to play tower defense. Certain Tier VIII BBs tend to take 20k even saturated (like Vladi) and if you hit turrets to often against an unsaturaed tier X you might just get 10k. The point, the Malta bombs perform very well.

 

But there are still mechanics you need to learn. Like how slowing down increases the pen of the AP bombs, but no matter what you do, you can never ever pen a Haku from the top, because high tier IJN carriers got an armoured deck. (random info: a perk of british CVs, these are fortified from mid tier already. So you dont snipe Hakus with bombs, and you dont go for a CV duel with a british CV ever.) If you want to hit anything against a Haku with Malta bombs, you have to strike from the side at full speed, this causes the bombs to slam through the side armour, into the citadel. 

 

In general, you want to slow down Malta bombs vs US CVs and german BBs. (there are a few parts of certain ships you might get a pen more or less, but you only need to know these 2 kind of ships)

 

While you mentioned the rockets felt less nerfed, i personally found these to be among the worst on this tier. They dont deal any damage, nor got any speed and you still only hit the clueless DDs. The torpedo bombers, like the AP bombs, just overperform as well.

 

 

Vor 12 Stunden, Ocsimano18 sagte:

I lost 7 out of 9 matches and all my 5 karma. 

One of us, one of us. Thats the CV experience.

 

In case you are to disapointed from the Malta i would suggest to learn a few things about how to play it and offer the help of CV thread in this forum. I am sure we can offer help, from reviews to tell you where you went wrong or in your special case some minor coaching.  You would  get at least something out of it.

[Fediuld]

12 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I went for the Malta… only to discover that there is nothing OP about this ship. The bombs are only good against light cruisers of which you see one in every tenth game. The torpedos are good, but Haku has better ones, the rocket planes are not nerfed to the ground with extra delay like some older CVs, but there is nothing special about them.

 

I was quite frustrated trying to Bomb a Haku, only to get non pens.

 

Also the teams are nonsensical. They cannot kill a 2000HP DD when you spot her, but give you -karma if you don’t fly to the other flank to be their personal spotter/fighter provider.

 

I lost 7 out of 9 matches and all my 5 karma.

 

Indeed Malta is not OP. Is basically the "proper" T10 carrier for the British tech tree since Atrocious is very bad carrier, yet is more fun to play than any other carrier somehow. 

 

If you play Atrocious, you will feel right at home with Malta. The rocket airplanes behave as good on chasing DDs and setting fires on BBs. The torp bombers are bit tricky and need better aim at the trajectory of the enemy. And the AP bombers are absolutely amazing on nuking light cruisers even inside their smoke, and clocking damage on fat battleships. Narrow ones like Schlieffen need TB or rockets as the AP bombs doing 1/2 to 1/3 the normal damage due to the shape of the ship. 

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Malts AP bombs are excellent. They hurt everything except certain carriers. Certain cruisers get hurt a lot but they do perfectly well with regular penetrations. The bombers are also both tanky and very fast to regenerate

Rockets are some of the best around right now, not saying much though.

Torpedoes are nice and seem to flood better than some.

 

I wouldn't call it OP but it's certainly strong enough.