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[HassenderZerhacker]

49 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

defamation is just a different, sometimes harsher form of insult

completely wrong.

defamation is the act of damaging a person or entity's reputation with false statements that are either written or oral. defamation does not even need to be insulting to be defamation.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

First, I believe that while different jurisdictions may have different laws and so on, I think one universal truth that holds is that police will only investigate prosecutable offenses, not civil cases. Anyone is free to sue, of course, but you need a lawyer for that and a court, not the police.

 

Secondly, in those cases I don't know if they felt insulted or not, but that was not what their case was based on.

That is why I mentioned the law. In some countries it is a prosecutable offense.

2 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

completely wrong.

defamation is the act of damaging a person or entity's reputation with false statements that are either written or oral. defamation does not even need to be insulting to be defamation.

And the act is insulting. If one does not feel insulted by the lies spread about oneself, then there is no reason to sue.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

14 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is why I mentioned the law. In some countries it is a prosecutable offense.

And the act is insulting. If one does not feel insulted by the lies spread about oneself, then there is no reason to sue.

 

No... lies make it defamation, not insult. You need to figure out what 'insult' means.

 

https://www.minclaw.com/difference-defamation-insult/

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

No... lies make it defamation, not insult. You need to figure out what 'insult' means.

 

https://www.minclaw.com/difference-defamation-insult/

Insults are often lies too...

And an action that damages ones reputation usually damages ones feelings.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Insults are often lies too...

And an action that damages ones reputation usually damages ones feelings.

 

Look, mate. I try to put this as simply to you as I can. If it makes you feel bad, upset, or you think somebody said something that you think wasn't very nice, it's an insult. And no, I doubt very much that in most countries you will get a police investigation or your day in court over that.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

16 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

I doubt very much that in most countries you will get a police investigation or your day in court over that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antragsdelikt

 

You will if properly motivated. And the guy will have pay for it, if found guilty.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

6 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antragsdelikt

 

You will if properly motivated. And the guy will have pay for it, if found guilty.

 

Yes, I know this one. However, this is a different distinction. There still has to be at least a finable offense or grounds for a criminal investigation. It will only get into prosecution if the victim lodges the complaint. Typically these are less serious cases of assault and battery or domestic violence. Not insults, in other words.

[ColonelPete]

25 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Look, mate. I try to put this as simply to you as I can. If it makes you feel bad, upset, or you think somebody said something that you think wasn't very nice, it's an insult. And no, I doubt very much that in most countries you will get a police investigation or your day in court over that.

Defamations usually make you "feel bad, upset" and are not very nice. But I guess everyone feels differently for being portrayed as a terrorist or torturer.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Defamations usually make you "feel bad, upset" and are not very nice. But I guess everyone feels differently for being portrayed as a terrorist or torturer.

 

That is defamation (if untrue), not insult...

[TheAlba2014]

6 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Yes, I know this one. However, this is a different distinction. There still has to be at least a finable offense or grounds for a criminal investigation. It will only get into prosecution if the victim lodges the complaint. Typically these are less serious cases of assault and battery or domestic violence. Not insults, in other words.

I know what you've been saying, in many places that is the way.

 

In the UK I guess it's quite wide ranging if you can prove what was said fall into the below:

 

The Law Commission's review of harmful online communications

Section 127(1) of the Communications Act 2003 which criminalises the sending, via a 'public electronic communications network', of a message which is 'grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character,'.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

That is defamation (if untrue), not insult...

You brought it as an example for an insult...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

You brought it as an example for an insult...

Like where?

[Siagor]

5 minutes ago, TheAlba2014 said:

Section 127(1) of the Communications Act 2003 which criminalises the sending, via a 'public electronic communications network', of a message which is 'grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character,'.

I've seen the original post pre-censoring. It was such a hideous, malicious message that it qualifies for the harshest sentence by this law.

 

But putting UK laws aside, WG you indeed must do all to stop this person spreading this vile.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 minutes ago, TheAlba2014 said:

I know what you've been saying, in many places that is the way.

 

In the UK I guess it's quite wide ranging if you can prove what was said fall into the below:

 

The Law Commission's review of harmful online communications

Section 127(1) of the Communications Act 2003 which criminalises the sending, via a 'public electronic communications network', of a message which is 'grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character,'.

 

Something tells me that law is intended to cover something else than calling a person a 'bleeding t**t'.

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

Like where?

Here

45 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Look, mate. I try to put this as simply to you as I can. If it makes you feel bad, upset, or you think somebody said something that you think wasn't very nice, it's an insult.

And this usually applies to defamations, too.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Here

And this usually applies to defamations, too.

 

F***king Gsus mate...

 

Are you perhaps an exceptionally adroit assistant for a professional knife thrower as you are so skilled at dodging every point?

 

I leave you to figure out under which category that falls under. No hurry, take your time.

 

And then some.

[Cammo1962]

5 hours ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Yes but hate speech and insults are very far apart in legal terms.

In my country we have freedom of speech, but under responsibility and that means you can be prosecuted if you insult people even online.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

In my country we have freedom of speech, but under responsibility and that means you can be prosecuted if you insult people even online.

 

Wow that's one strict place. Sounds like beneath hell to me.

[Cammo1962]

4 hours ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Punishment for insults? Sure if you go into a pub and start throwing insults around.

Insults, slander and lies both in public and online can be punished here in my country.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

Insults, slander and lies both in public and online can be punished here in my country.

 

Either you are all very well behaved or the courts must be awfully busy in your country.

[Cammo1962]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Wow that's one strict place. Sounds like beneath hell to me.

It´s not a strict place I live in its just learning people tell the truth and you can get away with everything unless it is state secrets 

[Cammo1962]

4 minutes ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

Either you are all very well behaved or the courts must be awfully busy in your country.

Its inbetween the middle here some can walk the line and some cant. And just look at the U.S. there you can be taken to court when you lie, slander or insult people and they also have the freedom to speak.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

Its inbetween the middle here some can walk the line and some cant. And just look at the U.S. there you can be taken to court when you lie, slander or insult people and the also have the freedom to speak.

 

I've never heard of anyone being successfully sued for insulting someone in the US.

[Cammo1962]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Browarszky said:

 

I've never heard of anyone being successfully sued for insulting someone in the US.

Last year a radio man was taken to court for insulting and lie about a certain schoolshooting some years ago and he was found guilty and had to pay compensation to all those he had done it to and it was a high profile case over there.

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

Last year a radio man was taken to court for insulting and lie about a certain schoolshooting some years ago and he was found guilty and had to pay compensation to all those he had done it to and it was a high profile case over there.

 

 

Note how you said "and lie". This looks like defamation to me.