Fenyang- worst tier 8 nomination

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

39 minutes ago, Schelfie said:

I'm more inclined to say that the Collingwood is a hell lot worse.

 

Like in this example: the deadly combination of a slow ship with slow moving turrets and again a stupid map with far to many useless  islands and bots that abandon their position to go the other side of the map.

 

Oh the joys I had in this match...

Yeah, but Collingwood is a tier 7 battleship. Kind of falls out of all comparison here. Erie, as a tier 1 cruiser, is a lot worse. Especially when it comes to dealing with tier X CVs. 

[Schelfie]

1 minute ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Yeah, but Collingwood is a tier 7 battleship. Kind of falls out of all comparison here. Erie, as a tier 1 cruiser, is a lot worse. Especially when it comes to dealing with tier X CVs. 

Oops, saw one I too few. Thought it was a T8...

[bobtherterrible]

Zieten.

Did not find anything good about that POS

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

1 hour ago, bobtherterrible said:

Zieten.

Did not find anything good about that POS

Pretty good guns, it has torpedos, secondaries, hydroacoustic search. Id say its on the stronger end again. 

[lafeel]

21 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Pretty good guns, it has torpedos, secondaries, hydroacoustic search. Id say its on the stronger end again. 

And, let's not forget, a good turn of speed too.

[bobtherterrible]

42 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Pretty good guns, it has torpedos, secondaries, hydroacoustic search. Id say its on the stronger end again. 

6 inaccurate guns at t8, can't bring most of them to bear without giving broadside, crap range, burns well, limited presses of R, secondaries long range but ineffective, low health pool, not actually all that fast. slow pointless torps that you'll never hit anything with because you'll be dead before you're in range

[lafeel]

4 hours ago, bobtherterrible said:

not actually all that fast

Actually, at 31 knots, she's only behind the French BB's in top speed.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

4 hours ago, bobtherterrible said:

6 inaccurate guns at t8, can't bring most of them to bear without giving broadside, crap range, burns well, limited presses of R, secondaries long range but ineffective, low health pool, not actually all that fast. slow pointless torps that you'll never hit anything with because you'll be dead before you're in range

Pure LTP issue

[Amiral_Tiger]

Indeed it's the worst ship you could play in T8

[bobtherterrible]

11 hours ago, lafeel said:

Actually, at 31 knots, she's only behind the French BB's in top speed.

Hawke + speedboost is way faster.

This Zieten may work for you in coop but trust me it sweats like a pregnant nun in randoms

[bobtherterrible]

10 hours ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

Pure LTP issue

Sure and I don't usually give up on a ship, but this one does not seem to be worth the effort. It is, after all, supposed to be enjoyable.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

1 hour ago, bobtherterrible said:

Sure and I don't usually give up on a ship, but this one does not seem to be worth the effort. It is, after all, supposed to be enjoyable.

well it does beter than Amagi, Kansas, NC, Bismarck, Tirpitz.......looking by stats in Wr and DMG done

[bobtherterrible]

13 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

well it does beter than Amagi, Kansas, NC, Bismarck, Tirpitz.......looking by stats in Wr and DMG done

That's not saying a lot tho is it? Statistically slightly less Meh than a bunch of Meh.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

44 minutes ago, bobtherterrible said:

That's not saying a lot tho is it? Statistically slightly less Meh than a bunch of Meh.

So basicly every non premium Bbs in t8 is meh?....

[bobtherterrible]

17 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

So basicly every non premium Bbs in t8 is meh?....

each to their own, but Veneto worked for me, Bismarck was OK once captain trained enough (but horible when up tiered and not trained) and Hawke was pretty good. Which made the german BC after British BC a bit of a come down.

Just too melty for me.

[ReDiR20]

Only met Fenyang once in a battle and in 1vs1 lost against him in my Akizuki or Cossack (cant recall now). That AP is nasty and if played by good player, Fenyang is a very solid DD. And almost nobody knows about it's strengths. I would love to get Fenyang in some container....

[dommo77]

I think it's far from worst, AP murders DDs, HE is good for setting fires on BBs - especially if you chose DE skill for Da Rong brothers, torps hit hard and are sneaky, thanks to reload booster you can lay a nice carpet of them, PA smokes are the best in game, and AA for what it's worth is good. If you'd like to see what she can do watch replay of my game I played like half an hour ago, Z-23, Cossack and Akizuki were destroyed with AP only, you can see how easy it is to set fires and how powerful her torps are. I misplayed at the end with Duca, and it was a loss, but good demonstration of what Fenyang can do. 

20230116_183419_PZSD518-Fen-Yang_20_NE_two_brothers.wowsreplay

 

[XDMeloniXD]

Idk, Fenyang seems like a more balanced Akizuki. Have a friend in wows that plays it and he seems to enjoy it. It definietly takes more skill to play than Akizuki, but it's by no means bad.

[KillStealBoss]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:39 AM, hellhound666 said:

yes, these 2 are the only options - shite or p2w

Eh no. 

There are decent premiums, things like Kii, Iwami, Alabama, Irian, San Diego, Atlantico, Collingwood, Leningrad, Tone, Rochester, Lazo, Maya, Warspite, Arizona, Monaghan, Aigle. 

Those are not P2W nor shite. There are more OF SUCH but I don't remember all of them. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 1/16/2023 at 6:45 AM, Amiral_Tiger said:

Indeed it's the worst ship you could play in T8

Silliwangi wants to have a word... (yes got that out of a container, too). 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

9 hours ago, KillStealBoss said:

There are decent premiums, things like Kii, Iwami, Alabama, Irian, San Diego, Atlantico, Collingwood, Leningrad, Tone, Rochester, Lazo, Maya, Warspite, Arizona, Monaghan, Aigle.  

Tiger '59?

[SurfaceFish]

23 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Silliwangi wants to have a word... (yes got that out of a container, too). 

She can smoke and hydro trap DD. Torpedoes are fast, have good range and hits hard. Guns reload slow but have good travel speed to target. Detection and speeds are fine. 

 

So not OP but definitely not weak. 

[Sub_Human]

On 1/15/2023 at 12:38 AM, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I got a Fenyang in the christmass event. Good port filler, but after trying it out it genuinely doesnt seem to do anything well. Shitty guns, less nimble than most BBs, not stealthy, no good torps (lack count, cant hit cruisers or DDs, very slow reload). 
The only thing it seems to have going for it is a pretty good AA suite. 

The stats on this thing are absolutely terrible, it seems to be the worst tier 8 DD. 

 

Some suggestions to make it at least somewhat playable: 
1. Give the 100mm a 25mm pen rule like found on Japanese, removing the 100% necessity for IFHE

2. Change the Defensive AA consumable to a Main battery reload consumable, Hydroacoustic search, Repair party, or even Radar. Anything useful in combat really.

3. Let the Deepwater torps also hit cruisers. Superdeepwater torps are Asashios thing, and it kind of works on Asashio. Asashio is stealthy, fast, has arguably better guns, better manoevrability, a much more useful torpedo armament with faster relaod, as well as a more convenient commander setup (no IFHE required). It makes no sense that Fenyang has both its guns and its torps so seriously hindered. 

 

Any of the three above would help, but to turn Fenyang into a proper premium somewhere in the midrange of tier 8 DD performace I'd expect all three would need to be picked up. 

You are right its a bad ship. They wanted to make it unique and not just a copy pasta premium Akizuki. And they thought that not giving it the 1/4 pen would be a good idea.

I think it has lower reload speed, worse pen, higher alpha and fire chance, it also has better AP balistics and pen, but not pen angles.

Disregarding the torps you could play it as a firestarter with lots of smokes and use AP to do direct damage. But in reality that just makes it so hard to use. A slight angle and you bounce your AP and you cant even farm superstructure (except on DDs) with your HE.

 

A DD must be able to fight other DDs, and you need IFHE to do that in Fen Yang.

 

The consept doesnt work, its a bad ship. I still have Super Unicum stats in it though 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

She can smoke and hydro trap DD. Torpedoes are fast, have good range and hits hard. Guns reload slow but have good travel speed to target. Detection and speeds are fine. 

Yeah has good smoke. But at T8, that might as well be usable for friendlies.... and a trap to yourself. 

Don't overestimate the hydro... it is not far enough that you can avoid getting torped in the smoke, and yes you can 'flush' enemy DDs out of their smoke.
The thing is, do you want that, because the guns are anemic - and if he decides "well Ok I'm spotted let's go" then you are probably dead. 
Eh, and you cannot hit them with torps (which are only a few and have 2 minute reload...).

 

9 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

So not OP but definitely not weak. 

Compared to most T8 Dds I think it is rather crud. 

It's not a DD, it is a long-distance torpedo launcher.