Almirante Grau - De Zeven Provinciën №2?

[TheKaramelka]

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Somwhere i already see it...

WHERE IS MY ALMIRANTE BROWN?!

And do I understand correctly that Cumberland is a battleship with 16 406 mm guns? I'm not implying anything but...

Spoiler

 

[mdjmcnally]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)
 

hardly surprising as she was sister ship then sold to Peru where became Almirante Grau.

[Dutchy_2019]

1 hour ago, mdjmcnally said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)
 

hardly surprising as she was sister ship then sold to Peru where became Almirante Grau.

 

I guess OP is unaware of Boise and Nueve de Julio.

[SV_Kompresor]

That's what the first few words in the ship's description say on the devblog yes.

[Figment]

7 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

Makes note: *in case of acquisition: plant Dutch event flags on her in order to KOLONISEER a ship sold to some colony*

[TheKaramelka]

2 hours ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

 

I guess OP is unaware of Boise and Nueve de Julio.

 

3 hours ago, mdjmcnally said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)
 

hardly surprising as she was sister ship then sold to Peru where became Almirante Grau.

 

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Makes note: *in case of acquisition: plant Dutch event flags on her in order to KOLONISEER a ship sold to some colony*

you probably misunderstood. I meant that instead of creating a model for a new ship with different weapons, and not just copying an already existing one, and instead of an airstrike, screw on combat instructions

[Nauseica]

Zero effort = more money

Muppets gives money = Bank account get bigger

 

all happy right !!!

[Seraphice]

21 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

 

 

you probably misunderstood. I meant that instead of creating a model for a new ship with different weapons, and not just copying an already existing one, and instead of an airstrike, screw on combat instructions

The ship is historically significant to the people of Peru. Should we omit adding this ship to the game because its a sister ship to another ship in the game?
The same would go for the entire commonwealth tree, as most commonwealth ships are british in origin. That doesn't mean they are any less significant or important to those people.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[TheKaramelka]

1 minute ago, Seraphice said:

The ship is historically significant to the people of Peru. Should we omit adding this ship to the game because its a sister ship to another ship in the game?
The same would go for the entire commonwealth tree, as most commonwealth ships are british in origin. That doesn't mean they are any less significant or important to those people.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Well, I think that the players are waiting for new ships with new gameplay and different from their branch counterparts. Almirante Grau has indeed historically been in the Peruvian Navy (and by the way, this makes it one of the most modern ships in the game at tier 8, as it was sold in 1973, and only in 2022 was scrapped). However, I think the players are waiting for new ships, and not "repainting" the old ones. The same Almirante Brown that served Argentina for 30 years, I think, would be different from the branch of light cruisers (if only because its weapons correspond to heavy ones).

[Shepke]

1 hour ago, TheKaramelka said:

However, I think the players are waiting for new ships, and not "repainting" the old ones. 

Small correction here.

The players have been waiting for ages for new content (modes, campaigns, different playstyles and mechanics, UIs and so on), not for another pile on 3d-models (even not cloned ones) which WG take as content by mistake.

This is content for premium shop, no doubt, but this is not content from player`s POV.  

[TheKaramelka]

10 minutes ago, Shepke said:

Small correction here.

The players have been waiting for ages for new content (modes, campaigns, different playstyles and mechanics, UIs and so on), not for another pile on 3d-models (even not cloned ones) which WG take as content by mistake.

This is content for premium shop, no doubt, but this is not content from player`s POV.  

This is also the case, but if ships are already being introduced one after the other, then at least they differ in gameplay. I reviewed the specifications, here are all the differences:
Almirante Grau has 100 HP more than De Zeven Provinciën
Almirante Grau cooldown is 2 seconds faster than Zeven Provinciën
De Zeven Provinciën Engine Boost and Almirante Grau - Hydroacoustic Search/Defensive AA Fire
De Zeven Provinciën has an air strike, Almirante Grau has combat instructions
Almirante Grau has 30 m less circulation radius and 0.4 km further light radius
For all other characteristics - identical ships. Yes, it seems that the main difference should be an airstrike / combat instructions, but that one will be through fires, which is another

[Shepke]

I will quote myself (sorry) from devblog topic 

54 minutes ago, Shepke said:

Wait, what?!

The sistership has much better main guns (much higher DPM with combat instructions on top) just because of absence of useless airstrikes? Really?

Better repair party, better mobility, better consumables (Hydro is way better than weak Engine Boost(which is also non relevant because of Combat Instructions boost))

What the magic is this?

[ItsEyeJasper]

4 minutes ago, Shepke said:

I will quote myself (sorry) from devblog topic 

DSP air strikes are far from useless.  She as a whole is a fantastic Platform for them, the problem with DSP is that if you dont practice with her the airstrike are difficult to land. But the reload is nice and fast and have a very tight grouping. this allows you to really punish ships that are not paying attention.

[Shepke]

11 minutes ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

DSP air strikes are far from useless.  She as a whole is a fantastic Platform for them, the problem with DSP is that if you dont practice with her the airstrike are difficult to land. But the reload is nice and fast and have a very tight grouping. this allows you to really punish ships that are not paying attention.

Yep, i know Bruce Lee quote about mastering one punch, but i`ve got a hundreds ships in my port, so its slightly difficult to master only one mechanic for only one particular ship.
Moreover, coop bots mostly dodge any of your airstrikes (except beached ones)  

As for "A. Grau" - you will use standard(or common) shooting mechanic (but with better DPM + combat instructions(easy one key)). Peace of cake and 100% result.

 

[Seraphice]

4 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

Well, I think that the players are waiting for new ships with new gameplay and different from their branch counterparts. Almirante Grau has indeed historically been in the Peruvian Navy (and by the way, this makes it one of the most modern ships in the game at tier 8, as it was sold in 1973, and only in 2022 was scrapped). However, I think the players are waiting for new ships, and not "repainting" the old ones. The same Almirante Brown that served Argentina for 30 years, I think, would be different from the branch of light cruisers (if only because its weapons correspond to heavy ones).

Ok then let's see which ships that were released in 2022 I thought had quite a new and unique playstyle, regardless of whether they are clones:
Atlantico, Hornet, Maya, Mecklenburg, San Diego, Aquila, Huron, Alvaro, I-56, Vallejo, Tromp
That's quite a couple is it not?
There were 20 premiums released and I listed 11 of them. That's quite a %. Just because a ship is a clone/sistership doesn't automatically mean it will have the same or even a similar playstyle.

 

3 hours ago, Shepke said:

Small correction here.

The players have been waiting for ages for new content (modes, campaigns, different playstyles and mechanics, UIs and so on), not for another pile on 3d-models (even not cloned ones) which WG take as content by mistake.

This is content for premium shop, no doubt, but this is not content from player`s POV.  

We've already added Arms race and are getting a new iteration of dirigible derby very soon, which may also make its way into randoms.
We also had the jerzy swiski campaign and five epochs of the navy that we've added.

The game is constantly changing and we've added various new playstyles and mechanics that diversify the game, just look at the ships I listed above.

We've made various changes to the UI in 2022 and have further improvements planned for 2023

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Verblonde]

42 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

The game is constantly changing and we've added various new playstyles and mechanics that diversify the game, just look at the ships I listed above.

True, but not for the better lately.

 

42 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

I-56

For example.

 

Endless new things are not an improvement if the quality of the game suffers; I have - I think - all of those new ships you list on my main account, yet the amount of time (and, more importantly to you, money) I'm spending in the game has cratered. The reason for this is simple: recent changes (of the submersible variety) have made Randoms drastically worse than they used to be, so I've stopped playing the main game mode. If recent additions had improved the game, the reverse would have been true.

[ReDiR20]

22 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

True, but not for the better lately.

 

For example.

 

Endless new things are not an improvement if the quality of the game suffers; I have - I think - all of those new ships you list on my main account, yet the amount of time (and, more importantly to you, money) I'm spending in the game has cratered. The reason for this is simple: recent changes (of the submersible variety) have made Randoms drastically worse than they used to be, so I've stopped playing the main game mode. If recent additions had improved the game, the reverse would have been true.

 

Stop whinning about subs already... They are fine

[invicta2012]

7 hours ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

DSP air strikes are far from useless.  She as a whole is a fantastic Platform for them, the problem with DSP is that if you dont practice with her the airstrike are difficult to land. But the reload is nice and fast and have a very tight grouping. this allows you to really punish ships that are not paying attention.

She's not much fun for PVE, though. The bots are highly skilled dodgers. You can hit them with Tromp, but not with DZP, which makes DZP a slightly undergunned ship for the Tier. 

 

Almirante Grau looks like she'll fix that problem with the MBRB/Combat Instructions feature, and being a historic ship and all (last gun cruiser) I'm happy to see her in the game, cut n paste hull or no. 

[J0tt]

Vor 5 Stunden, Seraphice sagte:

We've already added Arms race and are getting a new iteration of dirigible derby very soon, which may also make its way into randoms.

Please remember to adapt your mission templates if you keep diluting the random queue with new game modes. Picking up buffs in Arms race should count for capture/defend missions because right now two of three modes are almost useless in that regard. No idea about Dirigible derby since I did not play that last time.

[WildWind84]

14 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

The players have been waiting campaigns

This.

[Adm_Lindemann]

18 hours ago, Seraphice said:

The game is constantly changing and we've added various new playstyles and mechanics that diversify the game

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

If you say this multiple times, do you think the playerbase will believe it?

Adding subs, more radar, more planes into the game not diversifying the game but leads to a static gameplay (and it gets even worse with the planned re-introduced stealth radar). Completely not relevant, what kind of new ship models you put into the game because players are hardly punished if they want to play actively in a non-pet class.

[Seraphice]

On 1/13/2023 at 10:16 PM, J0tt said:

Please remember to adapt your mission templates if you keep diluting the random queue with new game modes. Picking up buffs in Arms race should count for capture/defend missions because right now two of three modes are almost useless in that regard. No idea about Dirigible derby since I did not play that last time.

It's a good point and we'll see what we can do to improve these missions.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[bobtherterrible]

Hey @Seraphice

while we're on the topic of copy paste ships, can we please have "hunt for the bismark - extra helpings" as follows:

 

HMS Rodney (=Nelson with torps and/or spotter plane but maybe back off the sooper heal a bit)

HMS Prince of Wales (=KGV/DoY but with smoke and without whatever you fancy)

HMS Norfolk/Suffolk/Dorsetshire (=Devonshire tweaked in whatever way makes sense e.g. radar on Norfolk)

HMS Sheffield (=Belfast/Edinburgh)

HMS Sikh/Maori/Zulu/Tartar/Mashona (=Cossack)

ORP Piorun (= Jervis tweaked to make it N class)

HMS Victorious (= indomitable but nerfed a lot)

U-556 (=a submarine, noone cares what it looks like )

 

extra brownie points (but probably not easy copy pastes) for

destroyers Z10 and Z16

and 

HSwMS Gotland  which is essentially a hybrid cruiser in WoWS terms