Admiral Schroder: thoughts?

[LiveWire___]

Good evening all.

 

So I managed to snag this ship yesterday, using some spare dubs I had leftover to skip the last three stages.

 

I've played a few battles in her, and like her.

 

The guns I've found pretty effective, despite being T4 weapons.

 

I've specced her for maximum manliness by going full sec build, and though I haven't played her enough for these to be used much, I'm liking what I see. 

 

I do think the secs should be German cruiser accurate, not German battleship accurate, as I feel that her not having torps deserves it.

 

Her armour is, I've found, quite trollish, pinging even 18" gunfire quite consistently.

 

Her speed isn't the best, but is fast enough.

 

Her maneuverability, even without a molded rudder is still good.

 

Specced for concealment, I've also found her rather sneaky, which is nice. 

 

Overall, too early to judge whether she's truly a favourite of mine, but time will tell.

 

What are your thoughts?

[Bigruss42]

I've found it plenty fast enough especially with the 3 min speed boost giving 38 knots.

The armour isn't too bad either as you say angled it can bounce quite large caliber shells.

The main guns aren't too bad but the secondaries are quite decent even without secondary build, with a secondary build it can sometimes be devastating.

Have sunk a few ships without even aiming or focusing the secondaries at them.

Overall I'm quite happy with it but as you say it's early days.

 

 

 

[LiveWire___]

24 minutes ago, Bigruss42 said:

I've found it plenty fast enough especially with the 3 min speed boost giving 38 knots

 

Yes, I'd forgotten about speed boost.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

[LiveWire___]

5 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

 

I think your gif means shroder falls prey to superships? 

 

I hardly ever get menaced by superships, so I don't suppose that'll bother me much

 

[KillStealBoss]

Just like the meme gif says. It's ok until you get into T11 games. Then it feels really sad to play it. Though for me it's not that bad so far (6 battles). I'll post here when I'll play it more. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

13 hours ago, KillStealBoss said:

Just like the meme gif says. It's ok until you get into T11 games. Then it feels really sad to play it. Though for me it's not that bad so far (6 battles). I'll post here when I'll play it more. 

not so many ships excells in +2 MM

[Aragathor]

50 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

not so many ships excells in +2 MM

Because for T9s it's not a real MM+2. It's closer to MM+1(+1/+2/+3). Some of the superships are closer to Tier 13 than Tier 11.

 

[LiveWire___]

So what are people's experiences of her thus far?

 

Any tips from those who have had her for a while?

[VedranSeaWolf359]

It will be much better if it have reload booster instand engine boost since it don't have torpedoes

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

On 1/12/2023 at 9:04 PM, LiveWire___ said:

I think your gif means shroder falls prey to superships?  

This is Siegfried - which is crap all by itself - looking down at Schröder making a clown out of itself and actually managing to pass below the low standards set by Ägir. And then meeting T11+

 

I really feel this aptly sums up the ship.

[LiveWire___]

2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

This is Siegfried - which is crap all by itself - looking down at Schröder making a clown out of itself and actually managing to pass below the low standards set by Ägir. And then meeting T11+

 

I really feel this aptly sums up the ship.

 

[Ronchabale]

10 hours ago, LiveWire___ said:

So what are people's experiences of her thus far?

 

Any tips from those who have had her for a while?

Secondaries are strong..

speedboost yolo at 39.2kn with flag and boost

maybe get a driveby..

In the end its a torpedo that does 59k damage

[Schelfie]

For CO-Op: I find her really good. Fast, strong second armaments. The main battery is also quite strong. Only pity she doesn't has torps or a main battery reload boost...

[Darkwhite_SaltyBelfast]

what they could use would be the sec spread of the graf zeppelin.

 

but it's still a fun ship.

 guess t9 brawls or rank good you will be a good choice

[LiveWire___]

I think they should definitely give her secs German Battlecruiser dispersion rather than BB dispersion. 

[Ronchabale]

9 hours ago, Schelfie said:

For CO-Op: I find her really good. Fast, strong second armaments. The main battery is also quite strong. Only pity she doesn't has torps or a main battery reload boost...

 

I had my second highest ever coop game score in Schröder

 

[Schelfie]

5 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

I had my second highest ever coop game score in Schröder

 

Her only weak spot (when I play her that is): I can't win against a Minotaur with it. Get suck everytime by that piece of  ship. I hate it nearly as much as subs...

[Saint_Michaelus]

On 1/14/2023 at 9:09 AM, Schelfie said:

For CO-Op: I find her really good. Fast, strong second armaments. The main battery is also quite strong. Only pity she doesn't has torps or a main battery reload boost...

The lack of torpedoes is concerning, to say the least. I thought that She/He will receive 6km torps (just in case) like a IX Roon. 

[Schelfie]

3 minutes ago, Saint_Michaelus said:

The lack of torpedoes is concerning, to say the least. I thought that She/He will receive 6km torps (just in case) like a IX Roon. 

Yeah, it's quite painfull sometimes to not own torps. Got many times where 3 CA's and/or DD's are shooting torps at me, and i'm "defenceless"...

[LiveWire___]

OK, so I've played her in several battles now, and I've identified a couple of areas which, in my opinion, need a buff.

 

Secondaries.

 

Why on a large cruiser, which sacrifices torps and anti sub airstrike, do her secondaries not receive enhanced dispersion?

 

I've deliberately closed to secondary range quite a few times to test them, and find that they aren't accurate enough to stack up enough damage.

 

It's not worth the risk. Especially since many ships at this tier and higher have torps to counter.

 

They need German battlecruiser dispersion to make them work.

 

Napoli has very accurate secs, with SAP, on a Hull also armed with fairly long ranged torps, only, as far as I know, having slightly less main gun range as a tradeoff. Nobody I know considers her OP. 

 

Why not Schroder?

 

If WG is unwilling to do this, then give her torps. 6k torps would more than compensate.

 

Deck mounted depth charges.

 

Really? When a sub can outrun this ship on the surface in a straight line, you're not going to catch it to get a drop on them.

 

WG said that they would give deck depth charges to those ships which historically had them. But Schroder is a paper ship. So why not have given her the air strike?

 

I'm seriously considering giving this "secondary" cruiser a main battery build, since, as it stands, the secondaries just don't seem worth investing modules in.

 

@Seraphice @YabbaCoe, can we please get your views on this? 

 

@Karkong_the_Impaler you laugh, but you don't ask, you don't get, do ya? They can only say "no". 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

There is a simple formula, applied even when we first heard about Schröder:

 

It's a german ship = crap

It's a welfare ship = crap

 

It's a german welfare ship = crap²

 

And if you consider it's now the new victim tier IX, it's actually crap³

 

Turns out, everyone was right. Just stop the whining, relegate it to snowflake duty and get on with it. And don't waste dubs on ships that are trash in the future. They won't change anything, as Sera already said, I quote loosely, "not every ship can be good".

At best it ticks some "special interest" boxes with someone and he manages to make it work, but that's about it.

[LiveWire___]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Just stop the whining, relegate it to snowflake duty and get on with it. And don't waste dubs on ships that are trash in the future

 

Don't accuse me of whining, pal.

 

It was not a whine. It was my trying to constructively feedback areas which I see as needing improvement in this ship.

 

I'll use my own money as I see fit. So you can keep your financial advice to yourself.

 

Don't mistake me for one of these moronic, whinging, illiterate types who throws their dollies out the pram at every whipstitch. I am not. 

 

You can be really unpleasant, mate. If all you're capable of is muck flinging and being snarky, then feel free to stop "contributing" to this thread. 

 

I've read a lot of your posts. They're generally not helpful nor constructive in the slightest. You seem to enjoy crawling over this forum, spreading toxicity and negativity wherever you go.

 

One wonders why you bother logging on at all, really. 

 

@Seraphice: do you mind having a word with this guy?

 

@Karkong_the_Impaler laugh it up bud. Just confirms my assessment.

[Varian_Dorn]

Ignore Karkong on this one. In fact, ignore him on everything.

 

Schroder, as well as Siegfried and Agir, are by far not as bad as some make them out to be. There are worse ships, both at T9 as well as overall.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

26 minutes ago, Varian_Dorn said:

Ignore Karkong on this one. In fact, ignore him on everything.

I could agree with you, but then we'd both be as wrong as those who didn't listen.

 

27 minutes ago, Varian_Dorn said:

Schroder, as well as Siegfried and Agir, are by far not as bad as some make them out to be. There are worse ships, both at T9 as well as overall.

If the only redeeming factor is that there are even worse ships.... that's not really high praise. Basically you're not wrong, yes, one can play these ships - but please just make sure you play on the red side.