[STRMO] ReverendFlashback Players 123 posts 4,005 battles Report post #1 Posted January 10 Got this out of a santa crate, looked at values and initially thought this would be one of the worst dds in game. However, despite it being crap in almost every way, I'm doing surprisingly well in it and it's downsides don't bother me actually that much, except for one: No depth charges. Like seriously, was that a conscious decision made by wg or just an overlook? Because they honestly totally lost their mind if they think giving it nothing to deal with subs, balances this already below average dd somehow... 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ROUGH] Yamashiro42 Players 1,065 posts 26,558 battles Report post #2 Posted January 10 32 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said: Like seriously, was that a conscious decision made by wg or just an overlook? WG has repeatedly stated that Leone (and Okhotnik) missing ASW was intentional. Although their argumentation (that historically these ships did not carry any ASW) is somewhat wonky, given their another statement that WOWS is an arcade game and not historical simulation. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1701] XDMeloniXD Players 195 posts 17,341 battles Report post #3 Posted January 10 If I recall correctly, it is a conscious decision made by WG. Some more "historical" nonsense or some such (yes, I like historical accuracy, just dislike whenever WG decides to throw it out the window or use it as an excuse for their convenience). Okhotnik sadly doesn't get ASW either, but unlike Leone, it is still a good ship without them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STRMO] ReverendFlashback Players 123 posts 4,005 battles Report post #4 Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, XDMeloniXD said: If I recall correctly, it is a conscious decision made by WG. Some more "historical" nonsense or some such (yes, I like historical accuracy, just dislike whenever WG decides to throw it out the window or use it as an excuse for their convenience). Okhotnik sadly doesn't get ASW either, but unlike Leone, it is still a good ship without them. Leone wouldn't be a good ship if it had asw. It just somehow became even worse because it doesn't have any while everyone else does. If they want no asw as a trait, then this ship needs some hefty buff in another way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #5 Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, XDMeloniXD said: If I recall correctly, it is a conscious decision made by WG. Some more "historical" nonsense or some such (yes, I like historical accuracy, just dislike whenever WG decides to throw it out the window or use it as an excuse for their convenience). Okhotnik sadly doesn't get ASW either, but unlike Leone, it is still a good ship without them. Simple solution, give them airstrikes. They are no less or more historical than fantasy ASW aistrikes on most other ships. (at least the way it's implemented... I know about some BBs having scout planes that could in theory drop a depth charge or two) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #6 Posted January 10 I would be in favour of air strike depth charges for both ships as well. Just give it a limited range of 4km. Pretty easy to implement. It'd instantly get a new selling point for overall tricky DDs to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-M] Isoruku_Yamamoto Players 1,437 posts 16,247 battles Report post #7 Posted January 10 Im in favour of hiving leone proper guns & torps tbh. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #8 Posted January 10 Nah, there are ships without AA, too. Or entirely ineffectual AA, comparable to an airstrike dealing 10 damage and no flooding/fire/oil spill. If CVs get to crap on everyone but an odd AA ship (unles your CV is balans, then you don't care about that) I want that, too. Considering this, we have too much ASW anyway. 1 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DKCCP] InsipidOyster2 Players 14 posts 4,098 battles Report post #9 Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, Yamashiro42 said: WG has repeatedly stated that Leone (and Okhotnik) missing ASW was intentional. Although their argumentation (that historically these ships did not carry any ASW) is somewhat wonky, given their another statement that WOWS is an arcade game and not historical simulation. In addition to how bizarre the 'historical' argument is in an arcade game like WoWs (and how inconsistently it is applied), it doesn't even hold up very well as an argument. The Leone class was capable of carrying 60 mines, it would not be hard to imagine that crews would use the facilities for those mines to carry a number of depth charges if they thought it necessary. Even then, adding depth charge racks would not be hard to do for a crew with the basic tools available for on board repairs and access to a local junkyard. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: Nah, there are ships without AA, too. Or entirely ineffectual AA, comparable to an airstrike dealing 10 damage and no flooding/fire/oil spill. If CVs get to crap on everyone but an odd AA ship (unles your CV is balans, then you don't care about that) I want that, too. Considering this, we have too much ASW anyway. There are CV which are ineffective against certain units (at least with some ordinances) like German CVs needing to use torps on DD as rockets mostly work poorly, having at least something would be good. Arkansas B may not have AA, but I still killed more CVs than killed me due to the massive range and firepower on that ship. The Arkansas B has plenty to compensate in that regard with their peers, one shotting cruisers is pretty common. These DDs are however in situations where they're already struggling at times due to their designs (torps and guns being somewhat special on both) to keep up with their peers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STRMO] ReverendFlashback Players 123 posts 4,005 battles Report post #11 Posted January 10 28 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: Nah, there are ships without AA, too. Or entirely ineffectual AA, comparable to an airstrike dealing 10 damage and no flooding/fire/oil spill. If CVs get to crap on everyone but an odd AA ship (unles your CV is balans, then you don't care about that) I want that, too. Considering this, we have too much ASW anyway. Well, Leone basically doesn't have AA either, so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BREW] Bland_42 Players 751 posts 10,864 battles Report post #12 Posted January 10 1 ora fa, InsipidOyster2 ha scritto: In addition to how bizarre the 'historical' argument is in an arcade game like WoWs (and how inconsistently it is applied), it doesn't even hold up very well as an argument. The Leone class was capable of carrying 60 mines, it would not be hard to imagine that crews would use the facilities for those mines to carry a number of depth charges if they thought it necessary. Even then, adding depth charge racks would not be hard to do for a crew with the basic tools available for on board repairs and access to a local junkyard. Old argument... I had this discussion before, and ultimately seem that WG will not correct themself (as usual). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #13 Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, Bland_42 said: Old argument... I had this discussion before, and ultimately seem that WG will not correct themself (as usual). Bruh never negotiate with terrorists (i.e. your customer base). It's the only way to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BREW] Bland_42 Players 751 posts 10,864 battles Report post #14 Posted January 10 12 minuti fa, arttuperkunas ha scritto: Bruh never negotiate with terrorists (i.e. your customer base). It's the only way to win. True. What I found (and still find) surprising is that he/they didn't simply state "It's for balancing reasons, accept it."... Ok, that would be dumb, but still better than blindly and absurdly adhere to that nonsensical (and disputed) "historicity". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #15 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Bland_42 said: True. What I found (and still find) surprising is that he/they didn't simply state "It's for balancing reasons, accept it."... Ok, that would be dumb, but still better than blindly and absurdly adhere to that nonsensical (and disputed) "historicity". You and me both. It's a very odd fig leaf to hang onto, particularly as they obviously ditched "historical accuracy" in other contexts a long, long time ago. So now it's absolutely crucial to have "historical accuracy" with Okhotnik, a ship that was never built in steel and only ever existed as a trolly napkin sketch. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #16 Posted January 10 Both Leone and Okhotnik should have plane ASW. Even 4km one. But they need it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #17 Posted January 10 24 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Both Leone and Okhotnik should have plane ASW. Even 4km one. But they need it. Everyone should have noteworthy AA. They need it! The food ship classes shouldn't complain and accept their fate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
