Italian carriers based on Aquila

[TheKaramelka]

As in the case of the French aircraft carriers and the German ones, I decided to assume that Aquila is the progenitor of the future Italian aircraft carriers.

General Features

• Fast aircraft

• Torpedoes with high damage per hit

• Torpedoes with high flooding chances

• Attack aircraft dropping many AP rockets per attack

• AP rockets with low arming threshold and short fuse timer
• Fast plane restoration time
• SAP bombs
• Planes with the lowest amount of HP

• Small number of attacks per squadron

• Slow torpedoes with a 27-30 knots

Representatives

Spoiler

Italian aircraft carrier Sparviero, Tier IV

Was an Italian aircraft carrier designed and built during World War II of the Regia Marina. She was originally the ocean liner MS Augustus built in 1927 for Navigazione Generale Italiana, but was transferred to the new Italian Line after the merger of Navigazione Generale Italiana.

Spoiler

Displacement: 23000 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 13 mm

Overall length: 202,4 m

Hit points: 33900

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Fiat CR.32

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 910

Speed: 129

Max speed: 169

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: RZ.65

Machine gun action time: 1,5 sec

Max AP Damage: 1150

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Armor penetration of AP: 122 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 49 sec

Torpedo bombers: Fiat B.R.1

Number of aircrafton deck: 5

Aircraft per squadron: 3

Size of attacking flight: 1

Hit points: 1000

Speed: 102

Max speed: 137

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175

Max Torpedo Damage: 5167

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 27

Torpedo range: 3 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 408 m

Flood chance: 49 %

Aircraft recovery time: 51 sec

Dive bombers: IMAM Ro.1

Number of aircrafton deck: 5

Aircraft per squadron: 3

Size of attacking flight: 1

Hit points: 1020

Speed: 100

Max speed: 135

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 31 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 4750

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 48 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 50 sec

Secondary Armament:

6х1 152-мм/45 Ansaldo Model 1911 in mount

      Reload time: 11 sec

      Max Damage: 2100

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 25 mm

      Firing range: 4,0 km

      HE initial velocity: 870 m/s

4x1 102-мм/45 Model 1935 in mount

      Reload time: 5 sec

      Max Damage: 1450

      Fire Chance: 6%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 4,0 km

      HE initial velocity: 850 m/s

AA defense:

4x1 102-мм/45 Model 1935

Maximum speed: 18 kts.

Turning circle radius: 830 m

Rudder shift time: 9,4 sec

Surface detectability: 10,1 km

Air detectability: 8,2 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Falco, Tier VI

The heavily damaged cruiser Bolzano, which was rebuilt into a light aircraft carrier with high speed and weak armour.

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Displacement: 13600 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 75 mm

Overall length: 194,6 m

Hit points: 40500

Torpedo protection: 4%

Attack Aircraft: IMAM Ro.57/bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 990

Speed: 147

Max speed: 187

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: RZ.65

Machine gun action time: 1,5 sec

Max AP Damage: 1150

Number of rockets on the plane: 10

Armor penetration of AP: 122 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 51 sec

Torpedo bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86/bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1100

Speed: 125

Max speed: 160

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175

Max Torpedo Damage: 5167

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 27

Torpedo range: 3 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 408 m

Flood chance: 49 %

Aircraft recovery time: 54 sec

Dive bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86/bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1020

Speed: 127

Max speed: 162

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 100 kg. M

Max Bomb Damage: 7150

Number of bombs on the plane: 3

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 52 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 49 sec

Secondary Armament:

8x2 100 mm/47 Model 1924/27/28 on a Eugenio Minisini mount

      Reload time: 6 sec

      Max Damage: 1500

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 5,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 850 m/s

4x1 135 mm/45 Model 1938 on a shielded mount

      Reload time: 10,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1950

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 23 mm

      Firing range: 5,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 875 m/s

AA defense:

8x2 100 mm/47 Model 1924/27/28 on a Eugenio Minisini mount

10х2 37 mm/54 Model 1938 on a Model 1938 mount

Maximum speed: 36 kts.

Turning circle radius: 900 m

Rudder shift time: 11,1 sec

Surface detectability: 10,3 km

Air detectability: 7,2 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Nibbio, Tier VIII

Project for the completion of the battleship Impero into an aircraft carrier.

Spoiler

Displacement: 38400 t.

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 19 mm

Armor belt: 240 mm

Overall length: 240 m

Hit points: 57900

Torpedo protection: 20%

Attack Aircraft: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 4

Hit points: 1090

Speed: 170

Max speed: 210

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: RZ-73 

Machine gun action time: 1,5 sec

Max AP Damage: 1700

Number of rockets on the plane: 10

Armor penetration of AP: 141 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 49 sec

Torpedo bombers: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1210

Speed: 162

Max speed: 197

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F200

Max Torpedo Damage: 7133

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 417 m

Flood chance: 61%

Aircraft recovery time: 44 sec

Dive bombers: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1230

Speed: 159

Max speed: 194

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 104 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 8100

Number of bombs on the plane: 3

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 55 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 45 sec

Secondary Armament:

4x3 152 mm/55 Model 1936 on a Model 1936 mount

      Reload time: 8 sec

      Max Damage: 2100

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 25 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 950 m/s

12х1 90 mm/50 Model 1939 on a single mount

      Reload time: 4 sec

      Max Damage: 1300

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 15 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 860 m/s

AA defense:

12х1 90 mm/50 Model 1939 on a twin mount

10х1 65 mm/64 Model 1939 on a Model 1939 mount

28х6 20 mm/70 Scotti Model 1941 on a sextuple mount

Maximum speed: 30 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1070 m

Rudder shift time: 14,3 sec

Surface detectability: 12,5 km

Air detectability: 10,5 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Airone, Tier X

The project of rebuilding a large liner into an aircraft carrier. However, for a number of reasons, Roma (Aquila) was chosen to be rebuilt into an aircraft carrier.

Spoiler

Displacement: 48900 t.

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 32 mm

Armor belt: 54 mm

Overall length: 276,7 m

Hit points: 66900

Torpedo protection: 20%

Attack Aircraft: Fiat G.56

Number of aircrafton deck: 15

Aircraft per squadron: 10

Size of attacking flight: 5

Hit points: 1190

Speed: 191

Max speed: 231

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: RZ-73 

Machine gun action time: 1,5 sec

Max AP Damage: 1700

Number of rockets on the plane: 15

Armor penetration of AP: 141 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 50 sec

Torpedo bombers: Fiat G.55S

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1330

Speed: 190

Max speed: 225

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm Si200

Max Torpedo Damage: 8367

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 418 m

Flood chance: 71%

Aircraft recovery time: 40 sec

Dive bombers: Fiat G.57

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1350

Speed: 192

Max speed: 227

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 104 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 8100

Number of bombs on the plane: 4

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 55 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 43 sec

Secondary Armament:

8x1 135 mm/45 Model 1938 on a shielded mount

      Reload time: 10,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1950

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 23 mm

      Firing range: 6,9 km

      HE initial velocity: 875 m/s

12х2 120 mm/50 Ansaldo Model 1940 on a twin mount

      Reload time: 4,5 sec

      Max Damage: 1750

      Fire Chance: 8%

      Armor penetration: 20 mm

      Firing range: 6,9 km

      HE initial velocity: 840 m/s

AA defense:

12х2 120 mm/50 Ansaldo Model 1940 on a twin mount

8x2 65 mm/64 Model 1939 on a Model 1939 mount

8x4 37 mm/54 Breda Model 1939 on a quadruple mount

34x6 20 mm/70 Scotti Model 1941 on a sextuple mount

Maximum speed: 34 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1170 m

Rudder shift time: 16,2 sec

Surface detectability: 14,8 km

Air detectability: 14,5 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

Prem

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Italian aircraft carrier Gufo, Tier VIII

One of the options for the Bonfigletti project, which was quite large.

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Displacement: 38430 t.

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 19 mm

Armor belt: 80 mm

Overall length: 240 m

Hit points: 50700

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 15

Aircraft per squadron: 10

Size of attacking flight: 5

Hit points: 1090

Speed: 170

Max speed: 210

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: Wfr.Gr.21E

Machine gun action time: 6 sec

Max HE Damage: 4450

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Fire chance: 25%

Armor penetration of HE: 40 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 58 sec

Torpedo bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86/bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 20

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 4

Hit points: 1100

Speed: 125

Max speed: 160

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175 A

Max Torpedo Damage: 5167

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 40

Torpedo range: 6 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 512 m

Flood chance: 37%

Aircraft recovery time: 52 sec

Dive bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86/bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 22

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 4

Hit points: 1020

Speed: 127

Max speed: 162

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE Bomba da 800 kg Modello 1928

Max Bomb Damage: 12100

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 67%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 70 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 45 sec

Secondary Armament:

4x2 135 mm/45 Model 1938 on a Model 1938 mount

      Reload time: 10,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1950

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 23 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 875 m/s

12х1 90 mm/50 Model 1939 on a single mount

      Reload time: 4 sec

      Max Damage: 1300

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 15 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 860 m/s

AA defense:

12х1 90 mm/50 Model 1939 on a single mount

5x4 37 mm/54 Breda Model 1939 on a quadruple mount

18x6 20 mm/70 Scotti Model 1941 on a sextuple mount

Maximum speed: 33,7 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1170 m

Rudder shift time: 14,7 sec

Surface detectability: 12,7 km

Air detectability: 10,4 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

This is my personal proposal and not the fact that ships will ever appear in the game or my concept will be taken into attention!

 Thank you for your attention!

[Marblehead_1]

I can sense flood of butthurt  

 

Impero had also proposed variant of V-1 missiles carrier. This version is so memical that I can't believe that WG didn't think about it. However this could be only premium.

[TheKaramelka]

18 hours ago, Marblehead_1 said:

I can sense flood of butthurt  

 

Impero had also proposed variant of V-1 missiles carrier. This version is so memical that I can't believe that WG didn't think about it. However this could be only premium.

When I drew Impero, I started from this model

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

[Marblehead_1]

2 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

When I drew Impero, I started from this model

 

I mean this book https://www.amazon.pl/Aircraft-Carrier-Impero-Carrying-Capital/dp/1781556776 in which autors discuss aforementioned V-1 missiles carrier variant, however beyond big catapult on V-1 carrier variant I didn't see much differences. Interesting read about very unusual subject.

[_Lupastro_]

Say no to more CVs! 

Say no to weird Italian names!  

 

Good work anyway...

 

 

[TheKaramelka]

4 hours ago, _Lupastro_ said:

Say no to more CVs! 

Say no to weird Italian names!  

 

Good work anyway...

 

 

these are not strange names, in Italy aircraft carriers were called as flying birds:

Aquila-Eagle

Sparviero-Kite

Falco-Falcon

Nibbio-Elanus

Airone-Heron

Gufo-Owl

[NewHorizons_1]

On 1/8/2023 at 8:38 PM, Marblehead_1 said:

This version is so memical that I can't believe that WG didn't think about it.

Who said they aren't?

[_Lupastro_]

1 ora fa, TheKaramelka ha scritto:

these are not strange names, in Italy aircraft carriers were called as flying birds:

Aquila-Eagle

Sparviero-Kite

Falco-Falcon

Nibbio-Elanus

Airone-Heron

Gufo-Owl

No, sorry. The meaning of the name Eagle, although undoubtedly referring to the bird, takes on another meaning.

In Italian sentiment, especially in WWII Aquila is associated with the Roman imperial symbol, the idea of power.

 

In no case would any other aircraft carrier be named after birds.

Sparviero is perhaps an exception but I doubt this would have been the official name if the ship had ever been launched.

 

The official nomenclature of RMI and MM has particular restrictions for capital ships.

 

Probably the names would refer more to Roman Emperors, Cities or Regions, heroes of the Risorgimento etc ...

Certainly not Owl or Heron..

 

My 2 cents.

[TheKaramelka]

11 minutes ago, _Lupastro_ said:

No, sorry. The meaning of the name Eagle, although undoubtedly referring to the bird, takes on another meaning.

In Italian sentiment, especially in WWII Aquila is associated with the Roman imperial symbol, the idea of power.

 

In no case would any other aircraft carrier be named after birds.

Sparviero is perhaps an exception but I doubt this would have been the official name if the ship had ever been launched.

 

The official nomenclature of RMI and MM has particular restrictions for capital ships.

 

Probably the names would refer more to Roman Emperors, Cities or Regions, heroes of the Risorgimento etc ...

Certainly not Owl or Heron..

 

My 2 cents.

The Sparviero was actually rebuilt from a liner, like Aquila, so it already got its name when it was refitted, just like Aquila.
Regarding Aquila, you are partly right, however: Aquila, the symbol of an eagle, therefore, the main technique for naming aircraft carriers in Italy can be traced as birds (the Japanese just had a technique for naming aircraft carriers as mythical flying creatures)

Sparviero 1943

[Figment]

Giuseppe Miraglia at T4?

 

 

https://comandosupremo.com/stories-of-lesser-known-vessels/

[TheKaramelka]

1 hour ago, Figment said:

Giuseppe Miraglia at T4?

 

 

https://comandosupremo.com/stories-of-lesser-known-vessels/

Its not cv

[Figment]

7 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

Its not cv

It is a seaplane carrier. There's only some launching and pick up differences. Beyond that it's a ship carrying (seaplane) aircraft, thus a carrier, thus a CV (it might have a sub-classification I'm not aware off however. Doubt it, since this type of CV is so rare I doubt it got its own classification). Just not a CV in the way we're used to expect. Which is exactly why it'd be a nice alternative.

 

 

It's like CDs and Philips' CD-i option. They both played compact discs.

[TheKaramelka]

11 minutes ago, Figment said:

It is a seaplane carrier. There's only some launching and pick up differences. Beyond that it's a ship carrying (seaplane) aircraft, thus a carrier. Just not in the way we're used to see. Which is exactly why it'd be a nice alternative.

When they look that they say "the seaplane carrier carrier also launches planes" no one looks at the difference:
to launch from a catapult, you need an accelerator like Isе and Tonе
A seaplane carrier launches seaplanes and not carrier-based aircraft (at the 6th level, in the stock of torpedo bombers, all nations, without exception, have torpedo bombers from level 4)
Seaplanes do not return to the aircraft carrier, but land on the water

And most importantly, the seaplane carrier carrier DOES NOT HAVE A DECK. A seaplane carrier carrier is a SEAPLANE CARRIER and not an aircraft carrier. The booking system is different, the light is different due to add-ons

And we DONT HAVE in the game seaplane carrier carrier, we have Hybrid or aircraft carried. seaplane carrier - this is a separate type of ship, not hybrids

[Figment]

10 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

When they look that they say "the seaplane carrier carrier also launches planes" no one looks at the difference:
to launch from a catapult, you need an accelerator like Isе and Tonе
A seaplane carrier launches seaplanes and not carrier-based aircraft (at the 6th level, in the stock of torpedo bombers, all nations, without exception, have torpedo bombers from level 4)
Seaplanes do not return to the aircraft carrier, but land on the water

And most importantly, the seaplane carrier carrier DOES NOT HAVE A DECK. A seaplane carrier carrier is a SEAPLANE CARRIER and not an aircraft carrier. The booking system is different, the light is different due to add-ons

And we DONT HAVE in the game seaplane carrier carrier, we have Hybrid or aircraft carried. seaplane carrier - this is a separate type of ship, not hybrids

In all matters relevant, it would launch aircraft, throw ordinance and return to the CV.

 

 

Same base mechanic.

[TheKaramelka]

1 minute ago, Figment said:

In all matters relevant, it would launch aircraft, throw ordinance and return to the CV.

 

 

Same base mechanic.

you didnt read the last thing? CV and SV - two DIFFENERD class of ships. Thats like Leaders of destroyers and light cruiser

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 9 Stunden, TheKaramelka sagte:

you didnt read the last thing? CV and SV - two DIFFENERD class of ships. Thats like Leaders of destroyers and light cruiser

Not as if WG wasn't mixing those up though. Or turning what officially were cruisers into destroyers.

 

Also Tone comes to mind, which was carrying seaplanes in real life. While Ise, after conversion, was supposed to use their floatplanes only for reconnaissance while using actual dive bombers (which would have to head for full fledged CVs or land bases for landing) for attacks. No torpedo armament was planned or used on either planes, only bombs. Yet look at what we have ingame.

[Figment]

17 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

you didnt read the last thing? CV and SV - two DIFFENERD class of ships. Thats like Leaders of destroyers and light cruiser

As there's only one ship of the class in the Italian navy (the Europa is far too old), I'd consider this to be a potential premium at T4. I don't really see why you're trying to make this distinction so explicit unless you're worried about replacement for your tech tree T4.