Is it just me or ? Dalarna AA

[AkulaTSR]

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

[Tanaka_15]

AA does  nothing against any planes in this game

[AkulaTSR]

Too true mate 

 

[DDG_121]

1 hour ago, AkulaTSR said:

but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes

They are always in the attack phase I suppose so they get less (%25 ? ) damage from flak. 

 

No ship can shotdown more than 1 before they drop, as far as I can see.

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

Yes, you're missing a fact AA is not meant to prevent airstrike by design be it CV or consumable type ones, like on Dutch ships or hybrids.

 

Also generalized stats like "96 AA" are useless 100% of the time.

[KillStealBoss]

14 minutes ago, Zimbiye said:

get less (%25 ? ) damage from flak.

I think it's 30%. It's any damage, flak and continuous one. 

[159Hunter]

2 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

  

Well, that's because 96% out of 0 is still 0

[WeGreedy]

Shooting down planes is so much fun and the main reason why people play this game. WG want to prevent your head from exploding while having too much fun. That's why AA had to be tuned down so much. But pressing [G] is almost as fun.

[Fediuld]

4 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

Dutch airplanes (cruisers or Tromp) are not the same as carrier airplanes. They are always on attack mode so they barely take any damage even in crossfire. 

 

Against normal carriers, Dalarna with few points on AA, is basically a up-gunned Halland, and those with skip bombers (Nakhimov & Max), the rest won't bother you. 

 

It will be waste of airplanes for all other carriers, except the battle is at the last third, where carriers have the option to waste airplanes. Or you are the only DD. Ofc that doesn't stop someone trying to go against you from the start of the game, however the casualties will be mounted so high, that they won't be able to do much against the rest of your team for the rest of the battle. 

[Fediuld]

2 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

Well, that's because 96% out of 0 is still 0

The TS/OP is referring to Tromp, and consequently the Dutch cruisers. Their airplanes are very difficult to take down due to mechanics.

Carrier airplanes are a different matter. Dalarna can wipe out whole squadrons at ease. Except Nakhimov and Max skip bombers, the rest have serious issue and the casualties can be painful. 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

5 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

You miss mechanics of those planes. They are in attack mode so they take much less dmg. 

 

 

[Ronchabale]

Attack mode.. less damage...

LoL another mechanic that is made to adapt a class into a game where it doesn´t fit

The last place an aircraft wants to be is the target thats getting bigger and bigger in your sights

(closer and closer and easier and easier to hit)

At least that is what  they told us in training, I was a 40mm Bofors gun commander during my army service

 

[159Hunter]

9 hours ago, Fediuld said:

The TS/OP is referring to Tromp, and consequently the Dutch cruisers. Their airplanes are very difficult to take down due to mechanics.

Carrier airplanes are a different matter. Dalarna can wipe out whole squadrons at ease. Except Nakhimov and Max skip bombers, the rest have serious issue and the casualties can be painful. 

 

And please, do tell, where did I make a reference to CV planes?

[DDG_121]

It is not that hopeless, cmon now.

 

Whenever I'm in a Halland or Smaland, and see CV's are in the game, a little smile comes to my face.

 

Just use P to hide and manouver BEFORE the CV sees and attacks you (if it does). Use P to your advantage. 

It is pure fun.

 

Some CV's are tough. Like FDR. 

Or if the CV focuses you completely... that's another story.

[Hugh_Ruka]

19 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

The rating in port is a comparison between ships of same class and tier only. So it is 96 in relation to all the other super DDs. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not tell anything about the AA effectiveness against actual planes.

 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

21 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

As many already stated, Tromp and Dutch planes are already in "attack mode" (green sight for CV´s) so they cash in on the reduced damage mechanic in the game for CV´s. That said, both Dalarna and Halland are quite reliable on doing squad wipes on enemy CVs if played right, especially against average potato CV player (which most of them are). I'm no expert on these mechanics but saw somewhere that you should always engage Def AA first before triggering the AA sector for extra Surprise B-Sex flack damage.

[OldPappy]

21 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

My Dalarna is 96 AA , but does absolutely nothing against the Tromp planes , Is there something i am missing or what ?

 

It does something, but 80-90% of them will get to drop you no matter what. 
But I have heard many cv players saying that they stay away from Dalarna as much as possible. 😊

[OldPappy]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

As many already stated, Tromp and Dutch planes are already in "attack mode" (green sight for CV´s) so they cash in on the reduced damage mechanic in the game for CV´s. That said, both Dalarna and Halland are quite reliable on doing squad wipes on enemy CVs if played right, especially against average potato CV player (which most of them are). I'm no expert on these mechanics but saw somewhere that you should always engage Def AA first before triggering the AA sector for extra Surprise B-Sex flack damage.

Aha. Useful tip. Have to try that!

Didnt know it could make a difference!😀

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

7 hours ago, OldPappy said:

Aha. Useful tip. Have to try that!

Didnt know it could make a difference!😀

Not sure how accurate this is but think I heard it from someone skilled in the mechanics. Try to do it most times in these ships and usually I kill of an entire squad if you surprise the CV guy. Guess it makers the first Hit on the squadron hit really hard and then hes just eating flack all the way out of your sector.

[LukkaiCH]

Am 2.1.2023 um 11:20, Hugh_Ruka sagte:

The rating in port is a comparison between ships of same class and tier only.

There is no "same class and tier only" to it. Else you'd have to find numbers up to 90 and above on all tiers and ship classes. You don't.

[AkulaTSR]

Ah the fact the Tromp for example is constantly in the attack phase would explain the fact i cant deal damage to the planes

[Figment]

On 1/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, Zimbiye said:

They are always in the attack phase I suppose so they get less (%25 ? ) damage from flak. 

 

No ship can shotdown more than 1 before they drop, as far as I can see.

ASW and Dutch air strikes tend to have at least 50% of the aircraft survive, though I've seen it fall to 25% reaching the target and my D7P has had some of its strikes destroyed before reaching the target. But that required a dense group of ships including a carrier, a BB and two cruisers.

 

You do always damage and often shoot down some of the airstrike group, but there's just too many and the constant damage is probably spread among the group of aircraft that they'll make it to the target. If you do shoot down some, it can create gaps in the drop which are hard to predict in terms of evasion. I have however seen my air strike being reduced enough to only hit once with a dead on timing or going to both sides of a Pommern and Richelieu for instance.

 

Which is annoying since you need that firepower to be able to compete. You really need to keep those fires going as much as possible and land most of your air strikes as you can only deal up to 12K alpha damage in a single superbly aimed strike, where a single stray torpedo can do the same and a volley of torpedoes has enough alpha damage to sink a BB.

 

So to say AA does nothing means you don't understand the current situation, nor the reliability of Dutch ships on some of those strikes dealing good damage. If they do however and the fire management of the target is bad, it can lead to massive damage dealt, though it's still often hard to break the 100-130K damage mark. Getting better and better at that though. My de Witt went from 11 more losses than wins (32% WR) to 4 more losses than wins (47% WR) after a couple captain upgrades. I'm sure I can manage getting it to the positive WR shortly. :)

 

 

 

Regardless, if you complain that a Dalarna is hit by a Tromp air strike... Maybe try moving? Hitting a DD with that tiny strike window is very hard unless it's stationary or slowly moving backwards on a predictable route. Most cruisers can already avoid air strikes by simple acceleration changes...

[Vbeest]

On 1/1/2023 at 10:38 PM, Ronchabale said:

Attack mode.. less damage...

LoL another mechanic that is made to adapt a class into a game where it doesn´t fit

 

 

The alternative would be to make planes stronger overall, would you want it? This way at least some tactics might be involved.

[Vbeest]

9 hours ago, AkulaTSR said:

Ah the fact the Tromp for example is constantly in the attack phase would explain the fact i cant deal damage to the planes

 

You can, I shot down 25 planes from Tromp in Halland over a battle. But I was in a forward position and he kept targeting ships behind me.