[POP] MixuS [POP] Beta Tester 637 posts 12,005 battles Report post #1 Posted December 31, 2022 Having faced incredible frustration with some of ships I'm currently grinding, I thought to list my opinion on worst tech tree ships of each tier. I skip first two tiers since I don't remember much about playing them. Besides that low tiers up to tier 5 are mostly based on vague memories. I only include ships that I've played. Don't remember Don't remember I remember South Carolina being pretty bad even though my stats on it are pretty good, even more so considering it was very early in my wows career This is a hard one. All BBs I remember to be at least ok, same for cruisers. So I think I pick Turbine, though I seem to only have played two matches on it. My memory about low tier ITA DDs is that their gimmicks just do not work until much later on in the line. Emerald. Looking at how poor stats I have despite them being "unicum" seem to verify my memories about mostly useless ship Rahmat. Absolute turd only made vaguely tolerable with smoke Z-31. Supposed "gun boat" that has absolutely no gun power at all. Not that it has any torpedo power either Cherbourg. Fast but can't kite. Good penetration but overpens everything. All guns front but can't nosetank due to overmatch and supercruiser burn time. Hard hitting guns that don't hit anything. Reload booster that only makes reload be on level that it should be constantly for the ship to be any good Lion. Horrible gun angles. Guns that don't hit anything. Armor that mostly just ensures full AP pens. Superheal but to make full use of it you have to take huge changes of holding on to it until you're so low that you could be deleted by one good AP salvo I don't think there aren't really bad ships here, only mediocre at worst. Conqueror might take the honor but I've only just got it and played on battle which went badly. Who knows, it might be great when I get the hang of it (though I don't know what it does better than Thunderer). So I think I need to say Zao. Much too short range, poor gun angles, poor torpedo angles. Terrible hitpoints. Was fun ages ago but has been in a need of major buffs, which won't happen since it won't make WG money Out of the above, Cherbourg is proving to the worst wows experience for me ever. Even Lion I started to tolerate when I accepted the fact that I cannot do any regular BB things in it, just spam HE from far away. What's your list? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #2 Posted December 31, 2022 We already had many threads like this. A very subjective one indeed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] MixuS [POP] Beta Tester 637 posts 12,005 battles Report post #3 Posted December 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said: We already had many threads like this. A very subjective one indeed. Well, didn't think I should necro. And yes it's subjective, but I think that's more interesting than trying to analyze objectively which ships are the worst. I personally can handle bad ships if they are confortable to play (like Omaha for example), but hate ships that are both not good and unconfortable to play. Lion and Cherbourg are main examples of this mainly due to terrible gun accuracy and gun angles on Lion (also on Cherbourg while kiting). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #4 Posted December 31, 2022 T1- No idea maybe the hashidate? t2-any cruiser t3-any cruiser t4-any cruiser t5-podvoisky/agano t6-gnevny/gokase t7-Omono t8-Shimanto. T9-Takahashi/neptune/ibuki. t10-Yodo. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #5 Posted December 31, 2022 Surprised to see no mention of Seattle... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #6 Posted December 31, 2022 Omaha is my bugbear. Only good way to play it is to unicum wasdhax from long range while always being aware of where the enemy BBs and CAs are. One mistake against them and you can be back to port. Which is the case for most of t5 cruisers, but Omaha has horrible concealment, terrible armor scheme and is very tall including its citadel. I'll take Agano any day over it, at least it's stealthier and can stealth-torp. That entire line of KM DDs is problematic, if only because they're cruisers forced into a DD slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #7 Posted December 31, 2022 The secondary IJN cruiser line, all the way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VIBES] tocqueville8 Players 3,717 posts 39,407 battles Report post #8 Posted December 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, MoveZig said: Omaha is my bugbear. Only good way to play it is to unicum wasdhax from long range while always being aware of where the enemy BBs and CAs are. Why wasdhax when you can just park her behind an island and shoot over said island? 42 minutes ago, MixuS said: I don't think there aren't really bad ships here, only mediocre at worst. Conqueror might take the honor but I've only just got it and played on battle which went badly. Conqueror is very strong imho. I hate having to deal with one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #9 Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said: Why wasdhax when you can just park her behind an island and shoot over said island? Most cruisers can do that just fine, and if that's the optimal playstyle I want a spotter. Which is why Murmansk is best Omaha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[H_FAN] Gnirf Players 3,293 posts 67,362 battles Report post #10 Posted December 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Surprised to see no mention of Seattle... Agree that this is a horrible ship 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[H_FAN] Gnirf Players 3,293 posts 67,362 battles Report post #11 Posted December 31, 2022 Well my thoughts: Some lines I have used the early access so that I have not played the lower/mid tiers at all (yet). A few comments on Emerald, I am not sure if I would take that in the worst ship category longer. i have regrinded the RN cruiser line once and second time even the Emerald was OK to play, not good far from it but I am less favourable on f.e. the Dutch T5 or RU T5 cruiser, now that Kirov was removed from tech tree.. Some ships like the PA cruisers are very good in coop. I have done lots of resets so I judge these tech tree lines as the top candidates for not want to reset at all: The Italian ships, none of the DD/Cruiser/BB lines appeal to me to reset. RU DDs (they are tolerable in coop where short torp range is of no concern). NL Cruisers. Those 5 lines are the least likely to be reset, I rather reset the IJN DD lines again and again for harvesting RB points and Elite Commander XP should I want to buff a specific captain on a tolerable ship in the 5 lines mentioned, f.e. Brindisi is pretty alright. CVs and Subs I am not covering as I have played them very little (CVs) or not a single game (subs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #12 Posted December 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Surprised to see no mention of Seattle... I thought it was (LOTS) better than 'Wooster'. To me, worst-of-the-worst T9 is the Dimitri DONKEY. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VEBA] Darkwhite_SaltyBelfast Players 890 posts 13,547 battles Report post #13 Posted December 31, 2022 T5 nothing T6 molte T7 KGV T8 Mornach T9 old ibuki T10 Schliefen amd Preussen. T11 nothing have 0 t11 ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,175 battles Report post #14 Posted December 31, 2022 T2 Dresden 1 hour ago, MixuS said: I remember South Carolina being pretty bad Huh? You didn't play the Kawachi. That's the worst crap on T3 1 hour ago, MixuS said: 4. This is a hard one. All BBs I remember to be at least ok, same for cruisers. So I think I pick Turbine, though I seem to only have played two matches on it. My memory about low tier ITA DDs is that their gimmicks just do not work until much later on in the line. On T4 the Myogi was pretty crap. Though after the buff it's kinda ok (sigma went from 1.7 to 2.0) Now I think that the Italian T4 BB is the worst. Comically bad. 1 hour ago, MixuS said: Emerald. Looking at how poor stats I have despite them being "unicum" seem to verify my memories about mostly useless ship Well this one has smoke, try playing Kotovsky 1 hour ago, MixuS said: Cherbourg. Fast but can't kite. Good penetration but overpens everything. All guns front but can't nosetank due to overmatch and supercruiser burn time. Hard hitting guns that don't hit anything. Reload booster that only makes reload be on level that it should be constantly for the ship to be any good Nah. This one is playable, considering how bad the Veneto is. 1 hour ago, MixuS said: 10. don't think there aren't really bad ships here, only mediocre at worst. Conqueror might take the honor but I've only just got it and played on battle which went badly. Who knows, it might be great when I get the hang of it (though I don't know what it does better than Thunderer). So I think I need to say Zao. Much too short range, poor gun angles, poor torpedo angles. Terrible hitpoints. Was fun ages ago but has been in a need of major buffs, which won't happen since it won't make WG money It's not the Zao and especially not the Conqueror. The most frustrating ship to play in T10 is Colombo. I mean, sometimes it's working fine but sometimes can't hit a barn. It's very unreliable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,175 battles Report post #15 Posted December 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Darkwhite_SaltyBelfast said: T5 nothing T6 molte T7 KGB T8 Mornach T9 old ibuki T10 Schliefen amd Preussen. T11 nothing have 0 t11 ships Moltke is T4 not 6. You mean Mackensen. T7 is KGV. T10 Schlieffen and Preusen? Try Colombo before saying anything. Cause even the Preusen can hit stuff from 7km. And how nothing on T5? Agano, Kotovsky, Emerald. Pick. And seems like you didn't play anything lower than T5 ever. The new kind of playerbase Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] MixuS [POP] Beta Tester 637 posts 12,005 battles Report post #16 Posted December 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Huh? You didn't play the Kawachi. That's the worst crap on T3 I did, but don't remember it to be that bad. Might have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] MixuS [POP] Beta Tester 637 posts 12,005 battles Report post #17 Posted December 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Well this one has smoke, try playing Kotovsky Played the tree before Kotovsky was introduced so wouldn't know. 12 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Nah. This one is playable, considering how bad the Veneto is. To each his own, I think Veneto is pretty good and I often did very well in it. 12 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: It's not the Zao and especially not the Conqueror. The most frustrating ship to play in T10 is Colombo. I mean, sometimes it's working fine but sometimes can't hit a barn. It's very unreliable. Not there yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,306 battles Report post #18 Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, MixuS said: Cherbourg. Fast but can't kite. Good penetration but overpens everything. All guns front but can't nosetank due to overmatch and supercruiser burn time. Hard hitting guns that don't hit anything. Reload booster that only makes reload be on level that it should be constantly for the ship to be any good Lion. Horrible gun angles. Guns that don't hit anything. Armor that mostly just ensures full AP pens. Superheal but to make full use of it you have to take huge changes of holding on to it until you're so low that you could be deleted by one good AP salvo Lol what? Cherbourg hits like a truck even with HE, his only downside is slow reload. And Lion is ultra strong, with HE shells he hits like a truck and burns like a pyromaniac. These ships are far from being worst. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,306 battles Report post #19 Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said: t7-Omono Omono is amazing with his flat trajectory shells. And pretty nice torpedo range. For a tier 7 cruiser he is good. Much better then lets say Yorck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,175 battles Report post #20 Posted December 31, 2022 For me T2 - Dresden felt like shooting a lot and doing very little T3 - Kawachi, very little range in comparison to other BBs, crappy AP and really bad dispersion. T4. The Italian T4 BB. T5. Kotovsky T6. Mackensen T7. Z-31 and Shchors (equally bad for me). T8. Veneto T9. Neptune T10. Colombo (being unreliable) T11. Hannover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,175 battles Report post #21 Posted December 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, MixuS said: I did, but don't remember it to be that bad. Might have been. The AP was so bad it couldn't pen much. I had to switch to HE. In comparison the AP od S Carolina was great. Ofc the Soviet T3 has better AP but yeah .... Soviet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] MixuS [POP] Beta Tester 637 posts 12,005 battles Report post #22 Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said: Lol what? Cherbourg hits like a truck even with HE, his only downside is slow reload. And Lion is ultra strong, with HE shells he hits like a truck and burns like a pyromaniac. These ships are far from being worst. This is subjective discussion, care to name what you think are worse on those tiers. Besides, both ships might hit like truck, if they ever would hit what you shoot at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[M-WAR] CauldronBorn Beta Tester 107 posts 8,937 battles Report post #23 Posted December 31, 2022 Well, it all depends on what time we are talking. I had a blast in Kongo or Königsberg. But that was - what? - 5 or 6 years ago. Playing Kberg in 2022? I dunno. Same goes for Kawachi and SMS Nassau. Back then you had real games with real players in all sorts of ships. Nowadays t3 is 50% bots and 50% seal clubbers in dds. Anyone remember USS Pensacola as a step up from T6 USS Cleveland? That tub was tragic. Especially when stock. (Hand cranked turrets, 8 barrels). Or all the ww1 battleship hulls as Stock hulls vs rts carriers? Z-31? I did very well in ranked with that crate. Wouldnt take it to randoms though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #24 Posted December 31, 2022 Izumo. It also counts as worst tier 8 and tier 10 trash boat - because it's like a black hole of trash, absorbing the trashieness of nearby tiers. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VEBA] Darkwhite_SaltyBelfast Players 890 posts 13,547 battles Report post #25 Posted December 31, 2022 21 hours ago, KillStealBoss said: Moltke ist T4, nicht 6. Du meinst Mackensen. T7 ist KGV. T10 Schlieffen und Preusen? Erhalten Sie Colombo, bevor Sie etwas sagen. Denn auch der Preusen kann aus 7km schlagen. Und wie nichts auf T5? Agano, Kotowski, Smaragd. Wählen. Und es scheint, als hätten Sie nie etwas niedrigeres als T5 gespielt. Die neue Art von Spielerbasis under t5 there is nothing i hate because i actually like everything ok a little is a premium ship gulio caesar I think Colombo is better than Schliefen and Preusen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites